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You can go back to 1968 and it looks pretty much the same. Early 60s slowly looks different. 1967 looked a little different. 1. USC, 2. Tennessee, 3. OU, 4. Indiana, 5. Notre Dame, 6. Wyoming, 7. Oregon St., 8. Alabama, 9. Purdue, 10. Penn St. By 1960 Minnesota won the MNC and it looks totally different-1. Minnesota, 2. Ole Miss, 3. Iowa, 4. Navy, 5. Mizzou, 6. UW, 7. Arkansas, 8. Ohio St., 9. Alabama, 10 Duke.
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Well if you add FSU/Clemson/UW/Oregon/Notre Dame and Miami to the P2, you have all but 3 AP titles going back to 1960 (Colorado, BYU, Pitt) being the exceptions). It only takes the P2 to go to 20 to almost totally dominate football.
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Everybody in the P5 except 1 or 2 is making money now. What you are saying would have been true a dozen years ago when the TV numbers were more like $7-$10 million. Below the P5 they are all losing boatloads.
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TCU and OSU aren't commuter schools. And their alumni have money. TCU and OSU have actually done something in football, both finishing in the top 2 at least once in the last dozen years. OSU has an NCAA title in basketball. Georgia State has 50,000 students. Do you think they will ever be in the top tier?
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Well if you've been around long enough you would remember FSU and Clemson both did it during the FSUCU to Big 12 rumors a decade back.
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Back to the Future? Remember when games were on the Jefferson Pilot network? Groups of independent stations.
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Ran across this today: https://www.deseret.com/2023/2/24/23614091/whos-in-the-running-for-pac-12-media-rights "...His update came after a week of uproarious criticism on the league from all corners of the country on social media. In quick order, Stewart Mandel, editor-in-chief for college football for The Athletic, who regularly runs interference for the Pac-12, contradicted the claim by McMurphy in a tweet, saying a ION negotiation with the Pac-12 is in fact not going on. Soap opera. McMurphy’s tweet was posted at 10:34 a.m. Mandel’s call-out followed at 11:45 a.m. McMurphy’s tweet climbed to 2 million views by late afternoon; Mandel’s retort was up to 500k. To further pile on the debate, Jason Scheer, who covers the University of Arizona for 24/7sports, chimed in, reminding the Twitterverse the last time Mandel contradicted McMurphy was when McMurphy reported the San Francisco Bowl had been canceled. Mandel said it had not, according to his sources. It had. Scheer kept receipts...."
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It was talked about. Don't know if it was ever real serious. But Clemson addressed it twice in board meetings. FSU did one time.
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And its hilarious how Wilner wrote an article today talking about how secretive the Pac has been!!!
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We didn't get out until: 1) ESPN owned the whole SEC package and could benefit from us moving; 2) Big 12 got their new TV contract; 3) Bowlsby was gone; and 4) The R8 finally got to the acceptance stage of grieving and were willing to deal. FSU/Clemson realignment rumors will continue until the ACC fixes their own version of 1)-4) above. First, ESPN has to make enough extra ad revenue from FSUCU in SEC to offset the loss of ad revenue in the ACC and the extra FSUCU pay me amount.
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Yeah. Barron fought any idea of moving. Didn't even want to hear it. They had a board meeting talking about it. We could have had FSU/Clemson to the Big 12 followed by OUTFSUCU to SEC!
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I read the whole thing. I interpreted his comment as saying he had confidence the deal would be enough to hold them together, not that he knew that it was.
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So Scheer is trying to get confirmation from someone who actually heard the Utah radio interview and isn't just re-tweeting. Did Wilner really say the expectation for the Pac 12 was a deal in the high 20s with majority streaming? Jason Scheer @jasonscheer · 44m Louis Oliverio @LouisOliverio · 46m Replying to @patriotairman @jasonscheer and @wilnerhotline High 20s and majority streaming will keep Pac 12 together but they will be behind the B12 both in money and, much more importantly, exposure. Jason Scheer @jasonscheer · 54m Did anyone hear on Utah radio if @wilnerhotline really said the Pac-12 will be in the 20s? Saw some tweets out there but want to hear it.
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So next year he will be on ESPN+. Iowa St., Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska and aggy were the whiny babies of the Big 12. KSU mostly kept their opinions to themselves. Or President Schultz let the message board people express them! Nebraska and aggy have continued their antics in their new conferences. Nobody pays any attention to Missouri, so they haven't stirred anything up.
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He previously was the president at Kansas St.
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Ran across the link: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/en/Daily/Morning-Buzz/2022/11/17/CFP-board-resolves-revenue-distribution "The CFP Board of Managers met virtually on Wednesday and was "able to resolve issues tied to revenue distribution" for the 2024 and 2025 seasons, if the CFP is to expand from four to 12 teams before the end of its current contract. The revenue distribution model "will make payouts more even per Power 5 school." The compromise "reduces disparity and allows the focus to be on per-school payouts instead of per-league payouts." Payouts to the Group of 5 leagues "remain unchanged." Such an agreement "would only be in place for the 2024 and 2025 seasons...."
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/what-is-the-pac-12-actually-selling-ratings-without-usc-ucla-explain-leagues-struggle-to-land-rights-deal/ "Last year, ESPN executive Burke Magnus created a ripple in the industry when he suggested conferences should be focused on cultivating rivalries in college sports rather than worrying about market size. "The amount of time we spend thinking about market size, it pales in comparison to the amount of time we think about rivalries," Magnus said on the Marchand and Ourand Sports Media Podcast. "In college sports, it's the rivalries. It's the traditions. It's the brands that really aggregate audience...." The 2022 Oregon-Oregon State "Civil War" (3.56 million) was rated highest overall. This might be as close to a lasting rivalry as any in the new Pac-12, at least when it comes to sustaining national attention. The Ducks are clearly the Pac-12's ratings leader going forward. They appeared in three of the top four and seven of the top 10 highest-rated league games over the last two years. Oregon averaged the most viewers in the conference (No. 12 nationally) in 2022 and was the only Pac-12 team to see a rating of at least 4 million viewers (season opener vs. Georgia). Stanford-Cal in 2021 featured teams that are 7-18 since that meeting. Oregon-Stanford in 2021 was the 20th-highest rated game of that week. Utah-Oregon in 2022 being ranked is significant as they are the Pac-12's two best programs moving forward. The 2022 Apple Cup was the 12th-highest rated game of Rivalry Week. Ah, but how do those games compare against the competition? Well, they don't -- mostly. That might explain why the Pac-12 is having so much trouble finding worth for its media rights...."
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Can't readily find it. But I saw it from a couple of different sources a month or two after they approved the expansion. Basically they are using the current % split between P5/G5 for the next couple of years. But the P5 will be split on an even share per school. 16/68 for B10 and SEC, 14/68 for ACC, 12/68 for B12 and 10/68 for P10 as the conferences will be constituted. They didn't specify how much goes for participation, but the implication was that it wasn't going to change significantly. Now--that was the deal for the next two years. What they do after the current 12 year cycle is up is still up for negotation.
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Ran across this just now-doesn't say a lot, but CDC does say it goes away. https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2023/02/22/Media/longhorn-network-future-chris-del-conte.aspx
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Haven't heard anything, but every indication it will just be part of the SEC network. So you won't get a lot of Longhorn non-rev stuff. The network will be split 16 ways.
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The NFL does have untimed downs in the 1st and 3rd quarters, doesn't it? If so, I don't see why the NCAA would change for something that happens so infrequently.
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They haven't talked publicly about participation money, which was minimal in the old deal, $6 million for the 1st and $4 million for the 2nd participant in each conference, but they have decided other payouts will be pro rata equal per conference, i.e. a 16 team conference gets 1.6 times what a 10 team conference gets, so that you don't get a benefit by being smaller as the Big 12 did and as the Big East did in BCS days.
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Thinking about it logically, and assuming Kliavcoff isn't a total idiot (not that its out of the realm of possibility), the commissioner publicly appearing at SMU's basketball game means things are close. UW and Oregon aren't getting into the Big 10 for the foreseeable future (not in the next 6 months) The Pac 10 really want to stay together even if it means SDSU as a member SDSU and SMU invitations are imminent They have the basics of a deal that is tolerable to the 10 members The deal is tolerable, but not what they want and so they are trying to see if there is any way to bump it up, hence all the rumbling the past week
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Wrong about what? He's rightfully made fun of silly stuff Calzano says.
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Didn't think it had a name before. RIP Red.
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