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I think the bigger impact will be on sports other than football and basketball.

They said 20 year averages. Just because they have been in the 40s the last few years doesn't totally negate upper 60s and even 70s they did from 2005-2016.

Somebody was interested in 20 year attendance averages: 1 Michigan Big10 110,341 2 Ohio State Big10 104,742 3 Penn State Big10 104,323 4 Tennessee SEC 98,819 5 Alabama SEC 96,361 6 LSU SEC 95,290 7 Texas Big12 94,278 8 Georgia SEC 92,704 9 Texas A&M SEC 89,820 10 Florida SEC 88,250 11 Nebraska Big10 86,003 12 Auburn SEC 85,591 13 Oklahoma Big12 84,589 14 Clemson ACC 79,602 15 Notre Dame Ind 79,466 16 Wisconsin Big10 78,933 17 South Carolina SEC 77,996 18 Southern Cal Pac12 75,576 19 Florida State ACC 74,621 20 Michigan State Big10 72,710 21 Iowa Big10 68,631 22 Arkansas SEC 65,987 23 Washington Pac12 65,065 24 Virginia Tech ACC 63,661 25 UCLA Pac12 60,661 26 Kentucky SEC 60,244 27 BYU Big12 60,068 28 Missouri SEC 58,434 29 Mississippi SEC 57,124 30 Oregon Pac12 56,722 31 N Carolina State ACC 55,773 32 West Virginia Big12 55,540 33 Texas Tech Big12 54,473 34 Arizona State Pac12 53,941 35 Mississippi State SEC 53,041 36 Iowa State Big12 52,235 37 Oklahoma State Big12 51,794 38 North Carolina ACC 51,713 39 Purdue Big10 51,244 40 Miami, FL ACC 51,236 41 California Pac12 49,530 42 Kansas State Big12 49,348 43 Virginia ACC 48,224 44 Arizona Pac12 48,189 45 Minnesota Big10 47,414 46 Colorado Pac12 47,024 47 Georgia Tech ACC 46,435 48 Illinois Big10 46,355 49 Louisville ACC 45,825 50 Pittsburgh ACC 45,750 51 Utah Pac12 45,653 52 Maryland Big10 42,963 53 Rutgers Big10 42,445 54 Stanford Pac12 41,414 55 Baylor Big12 40,637 56 Indiana Big10 40,632 57 East Carolina American 40,093 58 TCU Big12 39,769 59 Oregon State Pac12 38,785 60 Kansas Big12 38,192 61 Syracuse ACC 37,308 62 South Florida American 37,196 63 Boston College ACC 36,907 64 UCF Big12 36,545 65 Fresno State MWC 34,537 66 Navy American 33,948 67 Boise State MWC 32,697 68 Air Force MWC 32,514 69 Northwestern Big10 32,219 70 Army Ind 32,037 71 Memphis American 31,861 72 Vanderbilt SEC 31,845 73 Cincinnati Big12 30,928 74 Connecticut Ind 30,749 75 San Diego State MWC 30,073 76 Washington State Pac12 29,930 77 Wake Forest ACC 29,415 78 Hawaii MWC 28,403 79 UTEP CUSA 27,709 80 Houston Big12 26,914 81 Appalachian St. SB 26,596 82 UTSA American 26,448 83 Southern Miss SB 26,385 84 Colorado State MWC 25,572 85 Marshall SB 25,019 86 Duke ACC 24,499 87 New Mexico MWC 23,857 88 Temple American 23,039 89 James Madison SB 22,054 90 Troy State SB 21,275 91 Tulane American 21,114 92 Toledo MAC 20,684 93 UAB American 20,503 94 SMU American 20,486 95 UNLV MWC 20,411 96 Tulsa American 20,264 97 Wyoming MWC 19,985 98 Louisiana-Lafayette SB 19,860 99 Arkansas State SB 19,713 100 Old Dominion SB 19,363 101 Nevada MWC 18,841 102 Rice American 18,829 103 Louisiana Tech CUSA 18,564 104 North Texas American 18,437 105 Ohio MAC 18,437 106 Liberty CUSA 18,100 107 Jacksonville St. CUSA 17,958 108 Georgia Southern SB 17,917 109 Utah State MWC 17,810 110 Texas State SB 17,768 111 Western Michigan MAC 17,707 112 South Alabama SB 16,712 113 MTSU CUSA 16,569 114 Central Michigan MAC 16,479 115 Western Kentucky CUSA 16,166 116 Miami, OH MAC 16,095 117 Northern Illinois MAC 15,959 118 Bowling Green MAC 15,725 119 Buffalo MAC 15,476 120 Louisiana-Monroe SB 15,413 121 New Mexico State CUSA 15,271 122 San Jose State MWC 15,142 123 Florida Atlantic American 15,051 124 Coastal Carolina SB 15,015 125 Georgia State SB 14,913 126 Akron MAC 14,009 127 Florida International CUSA 13,761 128 Idaho 13,071 129 UNC Charlotte American 13,023 130 Kent State MAC 12,731 131 Ball State MAC 11,955 132 Eastern Michigan MAC 11,932 133 Massachusetts IND 11,854 134 Sam Houston St. CUSA 7,018 135 Kennesaw St. Ind 6,304

Texas and Oklahoma paid nothing. All those numbers were: No TV distributions in 2024-5 when they were no longer members. Reduction in 2023-4 just like the 8 remaining members to pay for the 4 new schools.

Agree with you. I mean Big 10 and SEC are fat and happy, but SEC certainly would take FSU. If they were free, pretty likely Big 10 does too. Note McMurphy's last line. SEC guys says, yes, there is room for more in the logo.

Texas and Nebraska wanted a conference network back around 2007 when the Big 10 did it. Everybody else voted no to the network and no to even funding a study. Nebraska and Texas jointly funded a study themselves and both decided to start their own network. Nebraska says they were even farther along than Texas when the Big 10 deal came along.

Its clear he failed to explain it to himself. He put out the most ridiculous things. It was clear he was regurgitating whatever stories people told him and didn't understand it at all. He may have had reasonable sources, but that doesn't mean their information was reasonable.

Monday and we had at least one friend without power.

Well that really isn't that far out of line from what Hurtlocker has told as, and I value his opinion! WVU gets the Big 12 attention in a lot of eastern markets. Its the Mountaineer diaspora. I can't say there is anyone below them I really disagree with but #s 25-28-Miami, Washington, Oregon and UCLA.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/40458844/conference-change-logistics-sec-acc-big-ten Meanwhile, everyone is worried about flagpoles and redoing courts. "LONG BEFORE MONDAY'S celebration in Norman marking the dawn of Oklahoma's new era in the SEC, Greg Tipton, the school's executive associate athletic director for internal operations, facilities and events, had an epiphany. It was last July, and Oklahoma was already well into its process to chronicle all of the Big 12 logos around campus to be replaced with new SEC marks. "I need to go count those flagpoles," he thought, about the flags that fly over the south end zone videoboard at Gaylord Family-Oklahoma Memorial Stadium and represent each conference member. "You have your American flag, your state flag, your OU flag high up in the center, but then there were 10 flagpoles. I'm like wait, there's this ... We've got to fix this...." TCU, however, is over such calculations. At a school that has been in five conferences -- SWC, WAC, Conference USA, Mountain West and Big 12 -- since 1995, staff has a more measured approach to the changes. "I'm taking all the flagpoles down," said Sassan Sahba, the Horned Frogs' associate AD for facilities and game days. "I'm just putting a graphic on the wall. I'm not going to add in flagpoles for this year, have them be there for three years. Who knows if we're down to eight teams in four years? It just doesn't make any sense. So I'm just taking them all down. I'm putting graphics up on the brick wall in [the north end of Amon G. Carter Stadium]. It is what it is...." Texas tasked its employees with taking photos of Big 12 logos so it could catalog them, wary of a wayward logo making its way to social media after it had made the move. Like Oklahoma, the Longhorns aren't very experienced in moving. Their last move, from the SWC, was more of a resignation that the sport was changing, but there was still romanticism in the old league, much like there was for Oklahoma and the Big Eight and for the Pac-12 by all the former members who are now headed elsewhere. No one felt the pressure if one of those logos remained. This time around, it's serious business.... Texas' Drew Martin, a senior associate AD, said the Longhorns replaced the Big 12 logo with the SEC mark in December on their volleyball court more than six months before they were official league members because Gregory Gym, their volleyball court, also serves as a rec sports center. Texas replaces the court every five years, doing it when school is out over winter break. So they discussed it with both conferences and came to an agreement...."

You're adding two of the best teams. That's the thing about UNC. That is a dilution. And realistically there are only 4 teams outside the SEC/Big 10 who are a threat to win it all-FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame and Miami. Last year there were 5-6 more, Texas, Oklahoma, USC, Washington, Oregon and maybe UCLA.

These are the ACC and Big 12 schools.

Agreed. Below are the TV ratings per the Sic-em analysis from 2013-21 for ACC and Big 12 schools. Only 4 schools are ahead of Stanford who wasn't valuable enough to get in the Big 10 or to get a full share in the ACC, but FSU and Clemson rate pretty high:

This guy seems to think FSU (and others) will be out of the ACC in the relatively near future according to his contacts in the legal profession. Josh Pate is with 247, so you can take it or leave it:

We had trouble winning 9 or 10 in the Big 12. All it takes the right coach and USC will start winning again.

That was a special season. But I loved the way Colt McCoy would almost always find a way to comeback and win. 2023 was pretty good. 2024 or 2025 may be pretty special.

They'll strike and kill the golden goose much like baseball hurt its popularity with multiple strikes.

Yes. Basketball and football and some non-rev P4 athletes benefit and everyone else loses.

The smaller Div I schools kept the rules on amateurism and fought every attempt by those of the P5 who wanted to do more. And the non-FBS schools (other than Big East) are getting way more than they contribute to the tourney. The P5 could say, fine, we'll just have our own basketball invitational and leave you out.

If it is paid directly by the schools, then they have to figure out how Title IX impacts it. If its paid by collectives by now, then it doesn't apply. Many of the schools are talking about taking over the NIL, but I don't see how it would work without giving them Title IX headaches.

Based on the recent NCAA championships TV deal, women's basketball ($65 of $115 million) is more valuable than all the other miscellaneous sports combined.

It would seem that if they gave everyone 22% of media, ticket and sponsorship money of their sport, it would be logical and should be compliant. But Title IX is not the least bit about logic. Logically, you could have 3 pools and give everyone in each pool only from their own sport's money: Men's football and basketball Women's basketball All other sports These are the 3 class action categories in the House lawsuit.

This is extremely relevant to realignment. A lot of schools won't make it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/05/18/house-v-ncaa-settlement-vote/ Title IX, future anti-trust. Big mess even after the settlement.

When they are good, people watch.