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They should have tried to kill off the Sun Belt in their previous expansion. Instead they left it alive and kicking to pull up the best of FCS. And the AAC kept pulling from them, so eventually CUSA was the one pulling from FCS.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-new-college-athlete-compensation-model-may-cost-power-schools-300m-each-over-10-years-003140102.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIIae29YRf0gPY0Ebf9-47Y2PoDbqv0QbxYaauX0XXMyzEe6oqxvGc5WRI8o9Mw2nxL0Ysk6blngAA4V7mXo76p0mBPQ4cXHaxwbVIEu-vcjbrosfoAcusKRpzWYJpKjFxz_QfZFN-qaaMXZkK3yex7C8KP8xkMbvf5Y4cNmb2Wm Will all the P4 stay? How much of the G5 will be able to afford to stay? They won't be required to revenue share as they aren't part of this lawsuit, but that doesn't exempt them from other lawsuits and the cost to continue to compete. And even more, this will increase the number of schools sending their resumes to the Big 10 and SEC. "...As industry executives continue to negotiate with plaintiff lawyers in the House antitrust case, details of a future compensation model — a necessary piece to any settlement agreement — continue to emerge. Those who shared details were granted anonymity as they were not authorized to speak about a proposed settlement that continues to undergo changes. While negotiations are active and have been for as many as eight months — not a new revelation within the industry — concepts of the proposed new model are becoming more formalized as leaders work to meet a deadline set by attorneys. Money figures are becoming clear: For those in the power conferences, the price tag is steep. The 10-year settlement agreement could cost each power school as much as $300 million over the decade, or $30 million a year. That figure assumes a school meets what is believed to be: (1) a $17-22 million revenue distribution cap for athletes; (2) at least $2 million in withheld NCAA distribution for back damages; and (3) as much as $10 million in additional scholarship costs related to an expansion of sport-specific roster sizes — a concept previously unpublicized...."

I just don't see how going beyond 20 makes sense for the SEC or Big 10 at current contract rates. Only ND, FSU, Clemson and maybe Miami bring in high enough ratings to justify expansion financially. And it makes no sense to go to 24 for any reason other than financial. But clearly people are talking about it. 4X18 or 2X20, 2X16 just makes more sense than 3X24.

https://sports.yahoo.com/how-the-new-college-football-playoff-format-came-to-be-and-what-it-means-for-the-sports-future-165149801.html Good article on why Sankey became Cranky and became the Grinch that stole CFP $$s for the G5 and M2. And what comes next???! "...During a meeting of CFP commissioners in November, well before the revenue negotiations began, a discussion point emerged about the CFP’s future. “There was a belief that all of us had to stay together as is,” Sankey recalled. “I never viewed it that way.” Sankey’s honest and stunning admission may indicate the future course of the SEC and perhaps the Big Ten too. It casts doubt on the glue that binds the nine leagues together. Schwarz believes the future is not necessarily two 20-team conferences that create a separate entity, as so many predict. Instead, he sees two 24-team conferences plus a third, possibly three 20-team leagues. “They’d all love to rip one of the four apart and make it a Big Three,” he said. Said one high-placed college athletics insider: “Five power leagues could not survive. Neither can four....""

16-18 is Prestige Worldwide. The rest will still be around for ooc wins.

You give him way too much credit. It was not really a police chase. More of a parade. A boring parade. And whoever at NBC switched from game 5 of the NBA finals for that earned his ticket to hell!

He's baaaack! Actually the Dude of WV never left, after all, he's immortal, but just changed to his real name, Christopher Lambert. And his FSU and Clemson talk just won't go away. So from others who do subscribe to his twitter, ESPN is brokering a deal whereby the ACC lets FSU and Clemson go to the SEC, sublicenses their rights to ESPN to use in the SEC and takes a cut. Meanwhile, ESPN agrees to exercise their option to renew the ACC contract from 2027-2036. That option expires in 2025. Its just way too complicated for the Dude to have thought of it himself, so someone did tell him this. And it really does make sense, even if the source is the Dude. Its a win for FSU and Clemson, who get to go to the SEC and make more money. Its a win for the ACC who get rid of a couple of whiners, get their contract renewed and cash in on part of FSU/Clemson's FMV. Its a win for ESPN who keeps FSU and Clemson and gets even better matchups in the SEC, although they do pay a little more. Its a win for the SEC who seal up the southeast and get a couple more national brands.

Quit carrying water for the pussy who sucker punched him. I can't believe so many of you are defending that piece of shit. It would have been one thing if one of those two guys in front of him had done it.

Yeah. When I was growing up someone who sucker punched was a total pussy and coward. I lived in Vince's neighborhood, long before Vince. Our Junior High was rated one of the 10 most dangerous school in the nation. And the only junior high on the list. We were a little overrated--but there were lots of fights and they were always fair fights. And when somebody lost, it was over. They didn't bang their head into the concrete. Nobody used weapons. They didn't gang up 2 on 1. Only pieces of shit like the sucker punch guy would do that.

He didn't get hit by the two guys he was holding. It was a loser guy on the side.

Absolutely a sucker punch. Vince looked like he was trying to keep things from getting out of hand. The two who weren't tangled up with him were fighting. That guy wasn't even involved with Vince. It was the two guys in front of him.

Schools are going to want something more certain than year to year ratings.

It was 7 games in the 80s. Prior to that, some schools (notably LSU) might play only 5 conference games and others might play 8. Below is 1965 before Tulane left but after Georgia Tech. Looked up 1966 and Ole Miss played the most-7 games, while Georgia, Tennessee and Vandy played 5. LSU was the 1970 champ at 5-0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:1965_Southeastern_Conference_football_standings Team W L T W L T No. 1 Alabama $ 6 – 1 – 1 9 – 1 – 1 Auburn 4 – 1 – 1 5 – 5 – 1 Florida 4 – 2 – 0 7 – 4 – 0 No. 7 Tennessee 2 – 1 – 2 8 – 1 – 2 Ole Miss 5 – 3 – 0 7 – 4 – 0 No. 8 LSU 3 – 3 – 0 8 – 3 – 0 Kentucky 3 – 3 – 0 6 – 4 – 0 Georgia 2 – 3 – 0 6 – 4 – 0 Vanderbilt 1 – 5 – 0 2 – 7 – 1 Tulane 1 – 5 – 0 2 – 8 – 0 Mississippi State 1 – 5 – 0 4 – 6 – 0

It has zero potential. It puts the SEC and Big 10 on a par with the M2. Now if you could set something up where the SEC and Big 10 are 3 twelve team conferences or 4 ten team conferences and the M2 realign into 3 twelve team or 3 ten team, then you might get someone to listen. Wouldn't be pretty for the 3rd conference, but you could have the 2005 Big 10 (11) + Rutgers, the 2005 SEC minus Arkansas + Maryland for twelve and a 3rd conference with UT, aggy, OU, Arkansas Mizzou, Nebraska, UCLA, USC, UW, Oregon, FSU and Clemson. Then the other 3 would be WSU/Or St./Cal/Stanford/BYU/Utah/AZ/ASU/CU/ISU/KU/KSU + BC/SU/Pitt/UVA/VT/UNC/NCSU/Wake/Duke/GT/Miami/ND + WVU/Cincy/Louisville/UH/SMU/TCU/TT/Baylor/Okie St./UCF/USF/UConn If you stick with 7 of 10, then you add FSU, Clemson, ND, Miami, UNC, UVA to the P2. #1 1990 Big 10, #2 1990 SEC, #3 FSU, Clemson, ND, Miami, UNC, UVA, S. Carolina, Penn St., Rutgers, Maryland, #4 UT, aggy, OU, Arkansas, Mizzou, Nebraska, UCLA, USC, UW, Oregon. The other 3 are #5 BC, SU, Pitt, VT, NCSU, Wake, Duke, GT, UL, UCF; #6 WVU, Cincy, UH, TT, TCU, Baylor, Okie St., KU, KSU, ISU; #7 Stanford, Cal, SMU, Utah, BYU, ASU, Arizona, CU, WSU, Or St.

The same would happen if it was Indiana St. of the MVC or Duqesne of the A10.

On another board someone calculated the Sweet 16s by conference since 1985. Here is BePcr07's calculations, which seem reasonable, based on 2025 conference membership: ACC-140 Big 10-123 SEC-104 Big 12-95 Big East-69 Next tier: AAC-20 WCC-18 A10-15 MWC-13 Bottom tier: MAC-7 MVC-6 CUSA-5 the rest: Horizon-2 Ivy-2 ASun, MAAC, Patriot, Southern, Summit-1 12 conferences with 5 or more. 14 conferences with more than 1. 19 conferences with at least one. 12 conferences with zero in 40 years. I've said you could drop the bottom 10 conferences and nobody would notice and probably the bottom 15.

I really don't think there will be any trimming. Now maybe at some point there is Prestige Worldwide with 16-20 schools. But that league will need other weaker leagues around to pad the ooc win totals.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/um-disinclined-clemson-fsu-waging-141736577.html Miami AD-Miami solid with ACC! i.e. they don't have an invitation to another party-yet. :,,,A UM source said the school is evaluating the situation and could respond differently if FSU and Clemson are somehow able to bolt the conference. At the moment, UM does not have an invitation to join the Southeastern Conference or Big 10, according to a source with knowledge of the matter. The source said UM would listen if either conference called, but its hands are tied at this point.,,,"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/clemson-sues-acc-over-unconscionable-fees-to-exit-conference/ar-BB1kbLsY The story on Clemson's lawsuit. They take a different tack than FSU. FSU went the fraud angle. Clemson is taking a legal misinterpretation angle.

https://sports.yahoo.com/will-sec-big-ten-greed-ruin-college-sports-as-we-know-it-202735432.html Dan Wetzel suggests the Big 10 and SEC extreme demands may well be an effort to destabilize the Big 12 and ACC and lead to more raids. "...If the Big Ten and SEC are able to set a playoff up in direct contrast to how college sports have always operated — codifying more guaranteed access, more guaranteed on-field competitive advantages (including a bye) and more guaranteed money — then the operation may be passing the point of no return. This isn’t just about hoarding power — although that’s part of it. It’s about eliminating other teams and leagues from being able to compete on the field, therefore further destabilizing other conferences. We just saw the century-plus-old Pac-12 perish for no particularly good reason. The ACC and Big 12 might be next. “Automatic first-round byes for the Big Ten and SEC is like the NFL saying the [Dallas] Cowboys get a first-round bye since they have more fans than the [Cincinnati] Bengals,” TCU coach Sonny Dykes noted. “How preposterous is that?” So preposterous that the cutthroat, bottomline, chase-every-nickle NFL wouldn’t even try it. And Dykes' point extends to uneven revenue sharing and multiple automatic bids. It’s particularly preposterous because based on the competitive strength and historic success of Big Ten and SEC teams, they would likely be able to earn those bids, byes and even money via competition. If so, good for them. By putting it in writing though, this becomes a play to break apart other conferences and pick off a few more of the most valuable brands...."

No. Giving the SEC and Big 10 more access is a Scarlet letter on every ACC and Big 12 team. It will be used against them in recruiting by the Purdues and Mississippi States. Plus, it damages the CCGs which are big money makers.

Only a little more than half of the G5 has even been in FBS for 30 years. They really don't belong. And other than Boise (6 times from 2004-2011), only 5 G5 teams have made the top 12 or even top 14.

Beyond 16 and you gut the regular season. 4 losses will get you in. There is a lot of money made by schools on Saturdays.

Minnesota used to be a national power. They have 4 MNCs. But then the Vikings arrived. SMU and Rice were solid before the Cowboys and Oilers.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/39625514/wsu-president-urges-member-schools-reform-not-replace-ncaa https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/39625392/new-pac-12-commissioner-teresa-gould-considering-all-options 2nd article-new Pac 12 president considering ALL options. Sounds like OSU/WSU are still hoping to get invited somewhere in the next two years. Haven't had formal discussions on absorbing MWC. Talking to people about TV deal for the two. 1st article follows on the ESPN site. Talks about NCAA reform, but there is an interesting quote near the bottom. "...New Pac-12 commissioner Teresa Gould, who now represents the conference on the CFP management committee, said the commissioners are "aligned" in their desire to develop a plan that has "adaptability." "I think none of us would have ever anticipated the amount of change that is going on right now," she said in her introductory press conference. "Yesterday looks different than today. And who knows what the headline is going to be tomorrow. So our job collectively as the leadership of the CFP is to make sure that whatever plan it is that we have a plan that is adaptable and nimble to the changing times that we're in. And that is one of the conversations that I want to make sure we continue to have in that room....""