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  1. 40 minutes ago, mdmost said:

    Someone explain how the TV deal will work with the new members? Same amount to the conference until 2025 just split with 12-14 members now?

    They'll have a new deal.  Rumors are out there of a 7 year $20-$25 million deal.  According to the blue window cougar board, BYU has already agreed to the contract.  I suspect it will be similar to TCU and WVU.  They got graduated payments.  Think the percentages were 50%, 67%, 75%, 83%, 100%.  It took 5 or 6 years to get to full payout.

  2. 55 minutes ago, 'stache said:

    The Big XII conference. It's is a legal entity that can sue and be sued. If you and OU are being televised outside of the Big XII's media package, the network that broadcasts it is infringing on all sorts of IP laws. Again, why are some of you so obsessed with screwing people over? Just negotiate a buyout, like what happens every day in business.

    A lot of R8 fans (not you) are obsessed with screwing Texas and OU over, keeping them and not paying.  The R8 haven't done anything to earn the $80 million in exit fees.  Its a punitive amount that probably wouldn't fly in court, regardless of contract language.  They do deserve to get the full amount of the TV contract through 2025.

    If the Big 12 adopted the attitude of some of the fans, then Texas and OU should just leave in July and say sue me.  But the Big 12 will be more reasonable.  And the schools know that trying to screw Texas and OU over would come back to bite them at some point in time.  Plus presidents and ADs will need future jobs.  Its not a lifetime at one institution.  You don't go out of your way to make enemies.

  3. 1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

    Catch me up on this theory. If Texas and OU say see ya we're starting SEC play in 2022 and then do so, what TV distribution money is the Big 12 withholding? One season (2021)? Okey dokey, sounds great, see ya later.

    Then the issue becomes the GOR.  Who has the rights to UT's games?  Can the Big 12 hold the rights and not pay-probably doesn't hold up in court.  But can the ESPN/Fox Big 12 crews even get into Memorial Stadium?  Maybe Texas only lets SEC ESPN crews in.  Can the Big 12 sue to get Texas share from the SEC contract?

     

    Nobody wants the uncertainty of all that.  It will be settled.  Only question is how much and how soon.      Big 12 finalizing invitations indicates sooner.

  4. 10 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

    Rumor is that the Sun Belt is trying to get Southern Miss and North Texas back, if the American raids CUSA for Rice and UAB then the Sun Belt may end up being the better football conference and CUSA would just have better markets but that matters less in the age of streaming.  The below is from 247 Arkansas State site https://247sports.com/college/arkansas-state/Article/CUSA-v-Sun-Belt-TV-deals-116260412/

    The Sun Belt payment is rumored to be in the range of $475,000 to $500,000 per year and production standards to produce the 51 games will be at ESPN standards. CUSA's payment is rumored to be in the $400,000 to $500,000 range and will not include the cost of producing 60 games for CUSA TV with mixed production values. Financially looks like a wash.”


    So if I the money is the same and the Sun Belt has Coastal Carolina winning a CWS and two teams ending the 2020 season ranked not including App State and you’re SoMiss or UNT which conference would you choose?

    Texas St, Louisiana, UL-Monroe, Arkansas St, Troy, Southern Alabama, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian St

    vs

    UTEP, UTSA, LA Tech, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, FAU, FIU

    CUSA is more spread out from El Paso to Kentucky/WV/Virginia, down to the Miami metro while the Sunbelt has a fairly small footprint (at least small for today’s FBS conferences) which is better on the budget for their athletic departments.

    Southern Miss would have LA Tech and MTSU as their closest schools in CUSA versus Southern Alabama, Troy, Louisiana, and UL-Monroe in the SBC.  I see the appeal for them, but not so much UNT who pretty much has to fly to the majority of their games either way but they might see this as a better move for fb.  The Sun Belt trying for these two makes sense as top targets since CUSA will be so Eastern based soon.  UTEP is a travel headache and the SBC already has TX St up the road from UTSA, and LA Tech has refused to join ULL/ULM in the Sun Belt for years opting for the old WAC and its outrageous travel cost over taking a hit to their pride.

    There have been rumors of a CUSA/SunBelt voluntary realignment (ending with a mostly Eastern time zone conference in one and a mostly Central time zone conference in the other) but that seems to come from CUSA having buyer’s remorse on their unwieldy footprint not from the Sun Belt who is clearly trending up.

    CUSA is just higher on the pecking order.  Nobody is leaving CUSA for the Sun Belt short of a trade of teams.  The complaints in CUSA are mostly coming from CUSA's mistakes-Old Dominion and Charlotte.  They should have never invited startup programs.  They should have taken Arkansas St. and Louisiana and effectively killed off the Sun Belt.  Instead, the Sun Belt keeps bringing up FCS programs to compete for recruits, weakening both conferences.  They've brought up Coastal Carolina, Appalachian St., Georgia Southern and Georgia State since the last round.  And Texas St. and South Alabama only moved up in 2012.  The Sun Belt would have been left with UL Monroe, Troy, South Alabama, and 3 members pulled from the WAC:  Texas St., Idaho and NMSU.

  5. And as I mentioned, 10 years ago, the Big East with TCU, WVU, Cincinnati and 6 others (Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, UConn, Louisville and USF) was worth about $15 million per football school.  With inflation, its easy to see TCU, WVU, Cincinnati along with Oklahoma St., Texas Tech, Baylor, Houston, UCF, Kansas St., Kansas, BYU and Iowa St. being worth $22 million.

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  6. 4 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

    Wow, that's better than I thought the revamped Big 12 would do. Only a $4 MM pay cut annually? The Irate 8 should be very happy with this result. They can potentially make up the difference with an expanded CFB Playoff.

    Well if the contract would be $40-$50 million with UT and OU, a 50% haircut gets you down to $20-$25.  The payout now is $28 per Bowlsby (contract averaged $20, but it escalated over the 13 years).

  7. 10 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

    I can't see Disney wanting the GOR challenged in court.  The GOR has been a good tool to protect the stability of the media side's inventory slate.  If it gets challenged successfully, then maybe that comes back to bite them in one of their other deals or at some point in the future.

    The best outcome is a mutually acceptable settlement.  If they get that, then the GOR continues to have teeth for other leagues and other deals.  

    And to clarify, those big deals are NOT sports related.  GOR is an entertainment idea transported to sports.

  8. 9 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

    Fox was an average of $90 million a year from 2012 to 2024-5, but that got reworked a little when ESPN signed their new deal and the combined amount was this $203 million a year average deal in the article above.

  9. https://www.extrapointsmb.com/big-12-expansion-power-conference-ncaa-college-football/

    Goes over what the Big 12 looked at in expansion.  And tries to address the power conference question--too many variables with playoffs and NCAA restructuring.  But there is this piece:

     

    "...In 2020, 2019 and 2018, the Big 12 posted a higher average Sagarin ranking than the Pac-12, with the four expansion teams, or by themselves (in 2017, the Pac-12's ranking was better). The same trend was true with F+, and I suspect it would be true if you used SP+, or Massey, or any number of opponent and/or pace adjusted metrics.

    Taking Texas and Oklahoma out of the Big 12 unquestionably makes it a worse football conference. But the remaining eight, plus these four new teams, based on the last few seasons, would be a peer to the Pac-12, and honestly, to the not-Clemson ACC. The idea that there is a massive gap is not really supported by recent performance.

    That being said, I think there are two important caveats...."

    Caveats are recruiting at a high level and the Pac 12 schools like USC and UCLA staying down.

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  10. 28 minutes ago, utee94 said:

    The B12 can withhold UT's portion of the 2021/2022 conference distribution payments. That's it.  After that, Texas will be in the SEC, and the SEC will have the money for the distribution.

    Think about it-- ESPN isn't going to NOT give the SEC the additional money for the addition of Texas, and the SEC isn't going to NOT give Texas its appropriate portion of the SEC distribution.  The B12 will not have access to any of UT's conference distribution money beyond the 2021/2022 schoolyear.  They could try and sue ESPN or the SEC for that money, but good luck with that.

    In reality it will never come to any of that, because it's going to be settled long before that.  Just like every other school that's left the B12 or any other conference over the past 12 years.

     

     

    And if it gets nasty, the Big 12 members really don't need to be making enemies.  Both in NCAA, legislatures and for future scheduling, its could be bad for them.

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  11. 1 hour ago, 'stache said:

    That makes the most sense. Utah is beautiful so maybe I’ll make a trip to a game, I’ll just drink my coffee and beer before getting near the campus.

    Splitting Florida and Texas makes sense.  And WVU and Cincinnati recruit Florida.  Iowa St. a little also.

  12. 3 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

    I think it makes more sense to expand east rather than west. The west coast doesn't seem to care much about college football and the Big 12 already has WVU. Having said that, if you take BYU, then how do you not take San Diego State? So much potential with SDSU. Big city with no NFL team, gets you California exposure and typically decently solid football and basketball. 

    San Diego is a long way further west.  BYU is actually closer on average, by nearly 200 miles, than UCF is.

  13. 4 hours ago, Not a Sock said:

    Notice how there has been tons of articles with Big12 sources and little 8 ADs and Presidents giving statements, but not a fucking word from anyone inside UT/OU and the SEC.

    I noticed.

    2023 works logistically for a lot of reasons.  Shit rolls downhill and its got to move to the Big 12, AAC and then CUSA/Sun Belt.  But there is no way it is 2025.  And I can't see us waiting until the CBS SEC contract expires in 2024.

    As fast as the Big 12 has moved, however, I think it probably is 2022.

  14. Big 12 still moving forward.   Not acknowledging earlier departure.
     
     
     
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    The tentative projection remains that the four teams come in for the 2023 season. That means two more Big 12 seasons at 10 teams and two at 14 before OU/UT planned departure after '24 . The league could still consider another round of expansion prior to the new television deal.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Applications are expected to come in within the next 48 hours. A formal vote is being planned for later this week, likely on Friday. All systems still appear on track. “We’re heading toward adding four teams in the next short period of time.”
     
     
     
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    Sources: Big 12 presidents held a meeting on Monday. No votes took place, as it was more an informational meeting to go over the impending applications of UCF, Cincinnati, BYU and Houston to join the league. 1/3
     
     
     
     
  15. On 9/4/2021 at 8:35 PM, Hiphopopotamos said:

    This is a big boy coaching staff.  Had the team ready for the surprise on-side.  Deferred correctly.  Defense never panicked.  Offense worked around OL issues.

    Had a feel like Alabama.  We had better talent and were in control the whole game even though it stayed close until the 4th.  And ULL is a decent team, or at least was last year.

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