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  1. 29 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

    How did Temple get on that list?

     

    They must have hired the guy who snuck BC through the ACC backdoor.

    Basketball was a big factor in those contracts.

     

    Football may be 75% of the P5 contracts, but that's probably not true with the G5.  The Big East with only basketball had a bigger contract than the initial AAC contract.

  2. 1 hour ago, camel at sea said:

    As far as the money, I think the Big 12 probably ends up distributing somewhere in the 20-30M range.  If the AAC distributes $7M per, it means those three new Big 12 additions are probably worth double that number, each.  I also remember reading that the American was offered an additional $5M more, per school, if they would have signed a GOR.  Again, that reflects a lot more individual value for the AAC's breadwinners when they're locked in with a GOR.

    The Big 12 is distributing about $40M per on 10 year old deal.  If the IR8 are worth half, then they're all worth $20M+.  An updated deal *should* reflect an increase in value for those member schools.  

    I've been reading that BYU is valued more highly than every current member of the Big 12 other than Texas and Oklahoma.

     

    I'd guess somewhere in the 20sM per school without a GOR.  30ishM per school if they're willing to sign a GOR.   

    The Big 12 distributed 38.8 in 2017-18 and 37.7 in 2018-19 (no Sugar Bowl).  About $9 million and $5 million (18-19) were CFP/Sugar Bowl money.  Something between $20 and $25 was TV money (Bowlsby was saying $28 million going forward).  The rest was basketball and miscellaneous.  Its that $20 to $25 to $28 million that will be reduced in the short run.

  3. 14 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

     

    Here's an SB national article on the AAC's current payout.  I'm not sure why you'd think the Big 12 would invite the member schools who are "not even close" to being the most valuable in that league.  Jut based on common sense, the only other factors for that "most valuable" moniker are Memphis and Navy.  

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/3/19/18273232/aac-television-deal-espn-conference-realignment

     

    In the first AAC deal, UConn, Temple, Cincinnati and Houston were the "Class A" schools, whose departure could end the contract.

    They wrote a similar criteria into the 2nd contract.  Someone mentioned who the first class schools were, but I don't remember other than it was more than just Cincinnati, Temple and Houston and that UConn wasn't included as it was anticipated to leave.

     

  4. 2 hours ago, Shaggybevo said:

     

    UTA recently achieved NRUF classification.  

    UTSA is expected to achieve NRUF classification in 2022.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/19/ut-arlington-tier-one/

     

     

     

    I see they just made it in the latest report.  https://reportcenter.highered.texas.gov/reports/legislative/national-research-university-fund-eligibility-2021/

    "...Texas Tech University and University of Houston data are not included in the report, as both institutions met eligibility in Fiscal Year (FY) 2012 and began receiving distributions from the NRUF. Each institution received $16.3 million for the 2012-13 biennium, $17.9 million for the 2014-15 biennium, and $16.9 million for the 2016-17 biennium. The University of Texas at Dallas data are not included in the report, as the institution met eligibility in FY 2018 and also began receiving distributions from the NRUF. Each of the three institutions received $15.4 million for the 2018-19 biennium and $8.2 million in FY 2020.

    • The University of Texas at Arlington reported restricted research expenditures above the threshold of $45 million in FY 2019 and 2020. In addition, for both fiscal years, the institution fulfilled the following four of six optional criteria required for NRUF eligibility: o Criterion 2: Doctor of Philosophy Degrees Awarded o Criterion 3: Freshman Class of High Academic Achievement o Criterion 4: Institutional Recognition of Research Capabilities and Scholarly Attainment o Criterion 5: High-Quality Faculty. The University of Texas at Arlington fulfilled a sufficient number of required criteria for two consecutive years and is eligible for fund distribution in FY 2021, pending a required audit by the State Auditor’s Office in FY 2021.

    • The University of Texas at El Paso reported restricted research expenditures above the threshold of $45 million in FY 2019 and 2020, which is the mandatory requirement to vii receive distributions from NRUF. For both fiscal years, the institution fulfilled one of the required four optional criteria: o Criterion 4: Institutional Recognition of Research Capabilities and Scholarly Attainment.

    • The University of Texas at San Antonio reached $56 million in restricted research expenditures in FY 2020. In addition, in FY 2020, the institution fulfilled three of the required four optional criteria: o Criterion 3: Freshman Class of High Academic Achievement (fulfilled in FY 2019 and 2020) o Criterion 4: Institutional Recognition of Research Capabilities and Scholarly Attainment (fulfilled in FY 2019 and 2020) o Criterion 5: High-Quality Faculty (fulfilled in FY 2020). The University of Texas at San Antonio seeks to reach the minimum of four required optional criteria by including Criterion 6, High-Quality Graduate Education, which it would fulfill by passing a comprehensive review of five doctoral programs. The institution will also seek to fulfill Criterion 5, High-Quality Faculty, for a second consecutive year by passing a comprehensive review of faculty in five doctoral programs in FY 2021...."

  5. 10 minutes ago, bullet said:

    I think it was written to make it easy for Tech and Houston, but also to get UTD and UTA in.  So Tech + schools in Houston and Dallas.   But politically, they had to include lots of other schools.  It would have been easier if they could have just designated Tech, Houston, UTD and UTA.

    The idea was that Houston needed more than Rice and DFW needed something.  It couldn't just be Austin and an east central Texas cowfield generating research and the related job spinoffs.

  6. 2 hours ago, closetohumping said:

    Incentive is ESPN could up your payouts if you add the Fab four contingent on you letting Texas and ou leave early with a reduced buyout.  160 mil/8 is only 20 million.  Look long term not just in the moment.

    Incentive is to keep the payouts to 2025 while the R8 also get the UT and OU buyouts without having to run the risk of litigation.

  7. 6 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

    You’re probably right I likely just read the headline.

     

    IIRC program was essentially designed to get money to tech and uh so nothing to brag on them for specifically.  I read the report a year or two ago and UTSA was the next closest, so I wouldn’t put them in the same category as UTEP, TX St, or UNT.

    I think it was written to make it easy for Tech and Houston, but also to get UTD and UTA in.  So Tech + schools in Houston and Dallas.   But politically, they had to include lots of other schools.  It would have been easier if they could have just designated Tech, Houston, UTD and UTA.

  8. 2 hours ago, Hornbeliever said:

    OK, repeating since I have same question.   What does adding these folks mean for us?  What triggers a definitive plan for a move so that our recruiting is only hindered by one thing and not two.

    Nothing directly for us.  But it means they at least have a plan after the divorce.  Means settlement talks can begin in earnest.

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  9. 2 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

    They have both made really strong improvements over the last decade.  UTA just got approval for NRUF funding (that only Tech, UH, and UTD had previously) and if UTSA merges with UTHSCSA then they’ll be in a good spot too.

    Did they?  I thought they just made the first year of two?

  10. 3 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

    I'll agree with a caveat. The UT System, outside of UT - Austin, needs to get better. UTSA and UTA have a very long way to go. Both should be excellent schools, and they aren't. 

    Agree also.

    UTA is working on it.  Think UTSA (and UTEP) is just too much of a local commuter option.  UTA has a good chance to qualify for the Texas National Research University Fund when they review in the Spring.  They made one year of qualifications this year.  They need to repeat.  UTD made it a couple years ago.  Houston and Tech made it several years ago.  UTSA & UTEP are a long ways away.  Texas St. and North Texas are eligible, but don't appear like they will ever make it.

  11. 32 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

     

    I got you fam:

     

    Big Ten considered expansion before alliance with ACC, Pac-12

    By Scott Dochterman

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    Big Ten administrators and school officials first looked into expansion before opting for the alliance with the ACC and Pac-12, Iowa athletics director Gary Barta told the university’s Presidential Committee on Athletics.

    In the wake of Oklahoma and Texas accepting an SEC invitation in late July, Barta said the 14-school conference felt compelled “to react to this,” but the consensus was “we’re in a really good place.” But beforehand, the league openly debated the merits of expansion.

    “We started to talk about, should we ever add any schools to the Big Ten Conference?” Barta said. “We certainly haven't said we never will. But in short run, with all the things that would have to be included to join the conference, we didn't identify anybody as a conference that we would immediately go after that would fit.”

    It was at that point, Barta said, the league then looked into an alliance with the Pac-12 and ACC. When it comes to scheduling, Barta said, “Football will be our first approach,” but there are several logistical hurdles remaining for all three leagues.

    “Some of our Big Ten schools have games scheduled out past 2030,” Barta, who is a member of the Big Ten’s work group, told The Athletic. “That's why it was made clear that we're excited about it. We’re going to begin working on it. Contracts are going to be honored. And at Iowa, we've made it clear, we need to have seven home games."

    (Photo: James Black / Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)

    What’s next for the Big Ten?

    A few of the ADs, including Barta, will weigh the pluses and minuses of continuing a nine-game Big Ten schedule versus returning to an eight-game slate. Once the group reaches a conclusion, then the full group of athletic directors will debate it.

    “The advantage of going to eight is then you don't have that 5-4 (home-away), every-other year,” Barta said. “There's certainly an advantage there. When we went to nine, one of the excitements was we were going to have another Big Ten game for our fans. If we do end up going to eight and then have an ACC-Pac 12 (game), I think our fans will be excited about that. It's going to be more complicated than maybe some people have thought about, partly because all those existing contracts and partly because currently, we're playing nine and the ACC plays eight.”

    If the Big Ten returns to eight games, administrators would have to decide whether to keep the current divisional structure, alter it or scrap it in favor of the pre-2011 setup, which included a mix of permanent opponents and a rotation of other teams.

    What's next for football scheduling for the alliance?

    Both the Big Ten and Pac-12 have nine-game conference seasons negotiated into their media rights agreements, but those deals end after the 2022 (Big Ten) and 2023 (Pac-12) seasons. Other than a few location tweaks, the Big Ten is set to go forward with its nine-game schedule in 2022, then changes are possible.

    “Our TV partners will definitely be part of this discussion,” Barta said. “As we head forward into any kind of an alliance scheduling, our TV partners will be at the table.”

    For all three leagues, the collective priority first comes with likely College Football Playoff expansion and its impact on alliance scheduling.

    “What are the parameters of getting into the CFP and how we set our scheduling up?” asked Barta, who currently serves as CFP chairman. “We want to make sure as a Big Ten that — and I'm sure the ACC and the Pac-12 are going to say the same thing — we want to make sure we're positioned well to maximize the opportunity to get into that equation.”

    So they are going to shape the playoff selection to favor strength of schedule which they will try to achieve with the alliance.

  12. 1 hour ago, Speedway said:

    Statistics from a major national sporting goods chain ...

    2019 Greater Houston locations - Sales rankings of sports labeled (logo) Apparel and Novelty Advertising:

    #1   Houston Astros label on blue, orange & white

    #2   Dallas Cowboys label on blue & silver

    #3   Houston Rockets label on red & white

    #4   Texas A&M "Aggie's" label on maroon & white

    #5   Houston Texans label on red, white & blue

    #6   Texas "Longhorns" label on burnt orange & white

    #7   Texas Rangers label on red, white & blue

    #8   Louisiana State "Tigers" label on purple & gold (yellow)

    #9   Texas Tech "Red Raiders" label on red, black & white

    #10  San Antonio "Spurs" label on black, silver & white

    #11  Oklahoma State "Cowboys" label on orange, black & white

    #12  Oklahoma "Sooners" label on crimson & cream

    #13  Rice "Owls" label on blue & gray

    #14  Houston "Cougars" label on red & white

    #15  Dallas Mavericks label on blue, green & white

    I know this just represents people buying sports apparel and novelty advertising with team logos and colors in 2019; but I think it is indicative of the competition U of H has for the TV eyeballs in the Greater Houston area.  There are THIRTEEN other teams (seven that play on Saturday) with more fans (TV eyeballs) in the Greater Houston area than the hometown Houston Cougars.   There is a reason U of H cannot average more than 26K to home football games from a greater metropolitan area of almost 7 million people that are physically located within fifty miles of Texas Dow Employees Credit Union Stadium on Cullen Drive.  Yes that really is the name of their football stadium.   If you want to add TV eyeballs from the Houston area you are better off adding Rice than U of H, and Rice comes with a bunch less problems than U of H would bring to any conference.  Unfortunately for U of H, these are just the hard facts.

    There's no link.  What's the source?

    This looks like total BS.

    You can't find Texas Tech stuff.  The closest sporting goods store to Rice U. doesn't even have a lot of Rice stuff.  But it has as much Rice as it does LSU and Baylor.  And it carries no Tech stuff.  You see lots of UH stuff available all over town and more than LSU or Okie St. or OU.

    UH is a very sold #3 in Houston among colleges.  And its probably just since A&M supersized that it has slipped from #2 to #3.

     

     

     

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  13. 12 minutes ago, chase25 said:

    Money will ultimately be the deciding factor and if the PAC, B1G, or ACC came calling OKST would be gone the next day but there are upsides to the Big 12 competitively speaking for Oklahoma State in football. I wouldn’t say Oklahoma State’s chances of winning a national title get better or worse going to a P4 conference. 
     

    Do your chances of beating Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, or Georgia go up because you are in a P4 conference versus being in the Big 12? I get your point in recruiting but I’d say TCU and Boise State are perfect examples of building programs in lesser conferences and then letting the chips fall where they may when you get your shot at the end of the year. It’s not like Oklahoma State has made a living reeling in blue chip recruits in the past. Gundy takes the overlooked 4 star and 3 star kids and develops them.

    This is all mute if Oklahoma State gets a call from the P4, they would undoubtedly take the money but in the short term I don’t think the proposed 12 team Big 12 is the end of the world for Oklahoma State. Especially if you lead the charge to keep it at an 8 game conference schedule so you have more flexibility to bring in marquee opponents out of conference because Oklahoma State would be an attractive non conference game for a Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State etc…

    I'm not convinced TCU wasn't the best team in 2010.  They certainly had a much better defense than Oregon and Auburn.  They only thing Auburn had on them was Cam Newton.

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  14. 25 minutes ago, n64ra said:

    Seems like the Big 12 should go to more than 12 teams (14? 16?) so when a few are poached, they may still have 12 teams.

    Splits the money too much.  Going to 12 provides protection against poaching.  Lose 2 and they don't need to add.  Lose 4 and they are still at 8.

  15. 1 hour ago, Gaffords said:

    I think we move after this season, but it wouldn't surprise me if we're here another two seasons.   The attempt by aggy to get help blocking the move by trying to get SEC and other fans to turn on the SEC office seems to have exposed things two years ahead of schedule.

    I would guess it only got exposed a few months ahead of schedule.  They wouldn't be so far along if they were planning on 2023 disclosure.

  16. 1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

    Just don't see UH making it in unless Kansas really wants them for basketball competition.

    Tech, bailor, and tcu don't want UH

    I think Tech, Baylor and TCU will support UH.  Question is whether the Kansas City mob (KU, KSU, ISU) are going to fight more Texas schools.

  17. 4 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

    Like you, I used to think UCF was a flash in the pan. I don't think that is the case any longer.  The Big 12 would be stupid not to offer them a spot.

    https://theathletic.com/2785167/2021/08/24/ucf-has-money-fans-and-a-new-facilities-plan-in-conference-realignment-will-someone-notice/?source=emp_shared_article

     

     

     

     

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    “I really believe we are a consistent Top 25 program,” Mohajir told The Athletic. “And I truly believe that, in due time, we will be a consistent top-10 program.

    UCF doesn’t have a long history. The school opened in 1968. It began playing football in Division III in 1979 and moved up to the FBS in 1996 as an independent. Daunte Culpepper became a first-round pick in 1999. UCF spent three years in the MAC and eight in Conference USA before joining the Big East, which reshaped into the American Athletic Conference.

    Everything went fast. UCF opened an indoor practice facility in 2005, the first by any FBS school in Florida. An on-campus stadium opened in 2007. They aren’t the nicest facilities out there, but they’re there. Rival USF still doesn’t have either. UCF has made racing forward its priority, pacing and planning be damned. In 2019, the school’s president and board chair resigned amid an investigation into the misuse of funds for unauthorized school construction projects.

    Enrollment has exploded to more than 70,000, and it’s not just a commuter school anymore. Football success has followed, as the Knights reached BCS/New Year’s Six bowl games in 2013, 2017 and 2018, with three top-10 finishes. A real fan base developed. The football team sold out all 28,000 season tickets in 2019. Its online army is relentless in the college football Twitter world. As of July 2019, UCF athletics ranked in the top 10 nationally in Twitter, Facebook and Instagram engagement.

    All of which led to Thursday’s meeting. Mohajir laid out a three-phase vision for the “football campus” around the current football setup. Phase 1 involves the creation of a plaza outside the stadium, highlighted by the lazy river the school has planned for years (technically called “Recovery Cove”). It’ll be the front porch to the stadium for fans. Phase 2 will be a football operations building attached to the stadium and an expanded student section. Phase 3 will be a renovation of the locker room, training room, sports performance center and equipment facility.

    “With all the stuff we have going here, with the size of the campus, the NIL opportunities, we believe we’ll be able to compete with anybody in the country when it comes to recruiting,” Mohajir said.

    Speaking to the board, Mohajir estimated the football campus would cost around $50 million, part of a $130 million investment in all sports. It’s the beginning of a long process, but Mohajir has turned these visions into reality before. FAU Stadium, which opened in 2011, was his project as an assistant athletic director at Florida Atlantic. As Arkansas State AD, he led a stadium renovation and creation of a football operations building that opened in 2019, a stunning structure that could rival almost anyone in the nation. New Red Wolves coach Butch Jones recently called Mohajir to thank him for the facilities in place in Jonesboro.

    The UCF presentation is out there now. Will the Big 12 notice? The school’s board asked Mohajir about Texas, Oklahoma and the changing landscape.

    “The timing happens to be appropriate, but we started this way before the Texas and Oklahoma announcement,” Mohajir said. “We’re creating a vision to be the best we can be. We think this puts us on a level playing field.”

    The presentation was not just about facilities. It was an overall athletics recap. One slide Mohajir presented to the board said UCF has had the ninth-most nationally televised games on major TV networks since 2018, because TV ratings paint a picture, too.

    From 2018 to 2019, Big 12 home games not involving Texas or Oklahoma averaged 886,000 viewers. If you take out Fox and FS1 games, the 22 Big 12 home games on ABC, ESPN or ESPN2 averaged 1.37 million viewers, as The Athletic’s Stewart Mandel broke down. Take out one massive Ohio State-TCU game, and the Big 12’s ESPN-only number drops to 1.1 million. By comparison, the 49 AAC home games on ABC/ESPN networks in that span averaged 1.01 million viewers.

    UCF’s 14 games on those ABC/ESPN networks averaged 1.09 million viewers in that span, according to additional data from Sports Media Watch, essentially the same as the rest of the Big 12. (There were two ABC/ESPN2 mirror games not included because the data is unclear.) That number is boosted by 3.2 million who watched the 2018 UCF-Cincinnati game but doesn’t include the 4.7 million who watched the dramatic 2017 UCF-USF game, and opponents like UConn, East Carolina and Temple push the recent numbers down a bit.

    “We’re an outstanding TV brand. That’s why we’re on,” Mohajir said. “The powers that be that choose teams think we’re a good brand. A lot of it has to do with eyeballs. So whether you’re undefeated or have eight wins, we have that deep breadth of eyeballs because of the size of our campus, our alumni base and our region.”

    UCF’s athletic budget for the upcoming year is $73 million, and Mohajir told the board he hopes to increase that to $100 million in the next five years. UCF athletics finished the 2021 fiscal year in the black, in part thanks to $6 million in buyout money from Tennessee for former AD Danny White and former head coach Josh Heupel.

    How does that compare to the Big 12? Kansas State has the lowest athletic budget in the league, at $83.5 million in 2019-20 before the pandemic. Most other Big 12 schools outside of Texas and Oklahoma are in the mid-90s. But television money accounts for almost that entire difference, as Big 12 schools make around $20 million more in annual television payouts than AAC schools — a number that is about to change dramatically with Texas’ and Oklahoma’s pending departures.

    When that number drops, would UCF push it up? What about Cincinnati, Houston or BYU?

    For now, conference realignment is at a standstill. The next domino to fall, if there is one, is likely to start in the Big 12. Either the league will fall apart as the eight remaining teams go elsewhere, or they’ll stay together and likely try to add teams. Mohajir described everything as one big staring contest at the moment.

    If the Big 12 expands, UCF is ready for the call. The school and athletic department have willed themselves into position over the past two decades, hoping to finally take that last big step. But no one knows what comes next.

    “You have to align yourself with eyeballs and viewership and alumni bases,” Mohajir said of UCF’s resume. “That’s why we believe we’re the future of college football.”

     

    UCF might continue to do very well.  But you can't deny that they went from a 12-1 Fiesta Bowl winner to 0-12 in just 2 years with the same coach.

    Houston, Cincinnati and BYU have proven they can compete consistently.

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  18. 2 hours ago, 'stache said:

    I'd take Memphis first, at least it's a cool city, and none of them are really distinguishable, just more weakness to a dying conference. It'll most likely be BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, and Houston. I don't give a single shit about commuter schools in Florida. We have commuter schools much closer to home that can at least save on travel costs, since we'll be making peanuts from any media contracts with or without these additions.

    I think UCF and USF just bring no synergy to the rest.  Its too hard to break into Florida with the SEC and ACC already entrenched.  With those schools 2+2=3.75.  With a school like Houston I think its more likely a 2+2=4.5.

  19. In expanding, the Big 12 should probably ask if there is any possible scenario they could see the Pac or ACC adding one of these schools.  If the answer is no, the Big 12 should say no (except for BYU who would be rejected for different reasons).  So UH, SMU, CSU, UCF, USF and Cincinnati could fill Pac 12 or ACC holes left by a raid by one of the Big 2.  But anyone else?  Maybe UConn if they get their football act together.  But they haven't and they don't fit Big 12 geography.

    So that leaves 7 for 2, 4 or 6 slots.

    BYU

    Houston

    Cincinnati

    UCF

    USF

    Colorado St.

    SMU

  20. Trying to hurt the AAC and MWC seems like a flawed strategy.  The idea is to try to look more like the Pac 12 and ACC, not more like the MWC and AAC.  Other than Texas and Oklahoma, there really is no overlap between those conferences and the Big 12.

    Expanding too much increases the gap vs. the Pac and ACC.  And adding schools like Memphis and Boise makes the Big 12 seem like less a member of the "club" to the presidents of Big 10 and Pac 12 schools.

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