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And M4ALL will have ridiculous wait times: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2018 Yeah, that's not going to have any impact on people's health.

Strawman much?

Last I checked still no M4ALL.

I do, and here I am. Go fuck yourself.

The total cost of Iraq and Afghanistan wars(which I'm against as well) in the last 19 years is $2.4 trillion. This is going to cost 3.2 trillion in ONE year. Every year, forever. Do you even Math bro?

LOL, so does yours. Also, not a Republican just a Math aficionado. And lastly, the status quo stays until you can prove overwhelmingly why it needs to change and more importantly, HOW. So you're going to need some of us independents if you need this bullshit passed. So far, you're doing a stellar job of not making your point.

Penny? How about you round it to the next 10 billion? But you can't. Which is why you respond in this manner: You know your ass is owned, now you fuck off and stop acting like a petulant child who wants a toy dumbass. I'll stay right here and keep shoving reality up your ass.

First tell us how much its going to really cost. No, really.

Progressive like how: Top 1 percent pays: 37% of ALL the income tax revenue? Top 5 percent pays: 60% of ALL the income tax revenue? Top 10 percent pays: 70% of ALL the income tax revenue? While the Bottom 50 percent pays: 3% of ALL the income tax revenue? Uh, we already do that.

Cool then this 32 trillion number doesn't work. The number goes up substantially and that money has to come from somewhere. Until Bernie or one of those that support this magic pixie dust can actually tell us what that number is going to be, M4ALL is a no go. Its a red line. Fuck it, make it black! You're either with us here on Earth when it comes to Math or you're not.

Two things have nothing to do with each other. To keep the costs at 32 trillion for ten years, the study said we will have to cut healthcare reimbursements by 40% and are unsustainable. Doctors today can accept low payments from Medicare and still stay afloat because they have higher reimbursements from insurance companies which will not be an option under M4ALL. Many doctors do decline Medicare patients for that very reason.

Mercatus also said that to keep it 3.3 trillion/year we will have to cut physician reimbursements by 40% which is below their service costs and is unsustainable. So the plan is to drive doctors out of business? LOL OK.

Canadian citizens have a second payment if they want a private option without extended wait times. So will we. I get that 3.2 trillion is already funded but we do not spend anywhere close to that amount on anything else. Our entire budget for 2020 is 4.7 trillion, adding a few billion here or there isn't going to impact much.

So you want to ask that mother/father who pays $1500/month in heatlhcare as a self employed person for their family to continue doing so and get extended wait times in return because she needs to realize her privilege? Yeah, like I said good plan!

Oh yes people will have to pay the second time if they want the same level of service they do right now. If they don't want to deal with wait times etc. And you can defund the military by half and it would only add 400 billion to a 3.2 trillion M4ALL budget.

But you're not understanding his point! He's saying the problem with providing healthcare to everyone is that everyone would have healthcare! Go back to ignoring me, you read no good. Bad Brad! Bad bad Brad!

Not a dumb analogy, once M4ALL passes the service is going to suck due to the exponential increase of patients. There's a reason why Canada has a private option. So you're asking people with insurance to pay the same, possibly more and then get worse service. And if they want the same level of service then make another payment to have the private option. Yeah, sounds like it would be a real popular idea for those.

Warren is such a sore loser. LOL.

That's a ridiculous statement that the left keeps making and here's why it won't work for the ones that already have healthcare: Replace healthcare with travel. Current travel cost for everyone(ones that fly private, first class, economy, train and greyhound) is $3.2 trillion. What we should do is nationalize it and make everyone travel on greyhound premium. The ones that were already traveling on greyhound would love it as they would not pay anything more, possibly even less and get a bump by traveling on greyhound premium. But the ones that weren't, like the ones flying economy, first class or private now get to pay for those same fares and yet have to travel on greyhound premium. Why would they?

You clearly haven't been to beautiful Mesquite.

You just wait, you're about to be called a Boomer by Brad.

Brisket, define broader cultural change. We are also possibly talking about different kind of kids. The point I'm making is there's nothing that can be done if kid is 15 and cannot read at that age. And the reason he cannot read isn't because teachers were bad, because for every tenth grade class that has kids that cannot read has kids that can. The difference there are parents. There's nothing you can do when the kid is 15 if he cannot read. Nothing. You have to catch them early and develop them early and cannot do it without the help of parents. Now the kind of kids you are talking about can be impacted through various means and no one is arguing against that.

Be careful, he'll put you on ignore.

You have no concept of money, math or what is considered a right you self entitled dumbass. You post a miscalculated number and then come back and claim if another $500/month is going to really change anything. You were so vague with your example that you leave no choice but for us to guess. All we see is your handwringing. If they cannot afford to live on $70K with 2 kids and a husband(you sexist piece of shit who assumes a RN is a woman),maybe its time for the husband to go get a job. Bootstraps and all that. Go ahead and hide me you dumb bitch because I have a lot of shit to say about your dumb ideas and posts.

We already do spend a lot on education. The problem is when these kids go back home. What's going to fix the parenting problem? Your calculations are off. If the RN is a married person with 2 kids, only earner he/she takes home $5,300 a month. A full thousand dollars more than you claim. If this is a single RN, then get out of that 2000 sqft house and rent a one bedroom apartment for $1,000/month because that's what you can afford and you'll free up a full thousand dollars in that way. And you don't have to rent forever, just for a few years until you save up a decent chunk for downpayment. Yeah, you'll have to sacrifice and save. You'll also free up another $200/month in "repairs" because you dont' own a house to repair. Those two alone gives you $1200/month or $14,400 /year in disposable income if single. $12,000/year of disposable income if married with kids over and above your budget. So not teetering on the edge of financial ruin. And if you are teetering that close because you cannot budget, get your spouse to dust up the resume and have them be part of the workforce that is at 3.5% unemployment rate. At least during school hours so you dont have to pay for daycare.