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It’s hard for me to see how adding KU brings in enough additional revenue to justify an invitation to the Big 10. The Big 10 is paying out almost $60M per school and that is only going to go up. Is adding KU worth another $70-80M a year to a media contract? I may be missing something. While you might get a few more viewers for KU-Purdue in on a Feb weeknight that Iowa vs Nebraska, it’s only in the “tens of thousands”.

Can someone help me here? Some guy named Cujo who claims to be a Texas Insider has posted on the Orangeblood paid forum that KU is getting an invitation to the Big 10. It has whipped some of the Phog.net posters into a frenzy. I continue to state that while I would love for KU to get a Big 10 invite, I don’t see how they add enough value to get an invitation. I get trashed and called. K-State fan when I post this ! Anyone know if Cujo has credibility. Is this an elaborate ploy to get desperate KU fans to pay for an Orangebloods subscription?

I think it’s going to be tough for the “Other 8” conference members. The PAC 12 and Big 10 do not have to add more members. Some people seem to think there will be a scramble for the other conferences to expand. The Big 10 is not a charity organization and it would be hard for it to justify financially adding KU or ISU or any other Big 12 school. How is the Big 10’s media contract going to grow by adding any of these schools. I guess it is possible for the PAC 12 could benefit by expanding to new markets in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas or Iowa. But, it can’t be that great given that none except KU are flagship schools. It’s hard imagine that any combination of schools would expand the pie enough to benefit the other members of the PAC 12. I guess there is the option of replacing OU and UT to maintain the Big 12. That conference would be lucky to get half the media payout the Big 12 currently gets.

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You realize that the other eight school not named UT or OU gave up its Tier 3 rights for next to nothing when the conference agreed to its deal with ESPN and ESPN+ a few years ago to broadcast Big 12 conference championship games.

Wouldn’t a more likely scenario be that since both the GOR for both conferences end at about the same time in a couple of years, UT, OU and USC and any other power broker in the Pac-12 get together with ESPN or Fox or Amazon, or whoever, and determine whether or not there is value in a Western Conference. The assumption that the Big 12 remains stable if a USC or some other power programs wants to join is not necessary a correct one.

Probably a good bet to meet in Big 12 tournament

And still, it wouldn’t surprise me is OSU beats KU next week.

No foul was called. DeSousa got a T for taunting after the play. Now that there has been time to digest this, a couple of things have come out. 1. Bill Self is get more scrutiny regarding whether he has control of the program. That had sort of died out as the season was progressing, but this becomes one more incident in a series of incidents over the last few years that are a bad look for the program. There seems to be some tension between Bill Self and the AD. 2. I do find it interesting that KU and DeSousa have put out multiple statements apologizing and taking responsibility for the incident, but we have heard nothing from KSU. DeSousa issued a very contrite apology and I think had he not raised the stool over his head, the narrative of the fight would be much different. 3. I don’t know how the team will respond emotionally, but the suspension should have very little effect on the team. DeSousa only played a few minutes a game and has really struggled this year. McCormack was a starter, but KU would start two big men and struggle in the first half and played better with only one big man. This will force Self to play a line up that has been more productive. 4. Long term are we witnessing the beginning of the end of the Self era. It may depend on NCAA punishment . I get the perception of the program by other schools and I get that many view KU fans as arrogant, but what Self has accomplished is pretty remarkable and there is no home run hire to replace him.

Not really, the NCAA originally suspended him through this year, but was reduced on appeal.

$5M buy out does not seem that unreasonable. In general, I would think that most coaches would not want switch jobs to another team in the same conference. I really can’t think of many examples where that has happened. Bruce Pearl was fired at Tennessee and ended up at Auburn which is different than voluntarily leaving. Houston Nutt left Arkansas for Mississippi. Some KU fans who believe Bill Self is plateauing or may be forced to leave because of pending NCAA investigation thing Chris Beard and/ or Brad Stevens would take the KU job in a second, which is quite delusional in my view.

Found this link. Interesting how much higher the teams of the past are rated. https://www.tidefans.com/forums/threads/all-time-sagarin-ratings.305346/

Having these games on ESPN+ indicates how little power KU has when it comes to media rights decision and probably other major decisions affecting the conferences. Bill Self has even been very candid of the negative aspects of having ten KU basketball games played on ESPN+. Jeff Long tries to spin this as a positive, but this deal with ESPN also included KU’s (and all other schools except OU and UT) Tier 3 rights for several million dollars per year than what had been reported in the past.

No. I never thought the Big 12 saved the SWC. The Big 8 was getting into an increasingly perilous position, so the formation of the Big 12 made sense and I liked the make up except for including Baylor.

What options do the Pac 12 schools have? They have a geographical barrier, plus most of the schools have tighter history together. As mentioned, the only two conferences worth moving to are the SEC and Big 10 and no one from the Pac 12 is going to the SEC. The old Big 8 was also pretty tight, but shortly before the Big 12 was formed, some of the cohesiveness was lost. It became clear that the Big 8 needed to do something in the early 1990s to survive. Up until that time, the conference was very stable. Before the Big 12 was formed, there were rumors of NU, MU and KU going to the Big 10. At that time, Colorado started flirting with the Pac 10.

Thanks for posting. Whenever I think of Woody Hayes, I think of this skit.

Because the bowl was more interested in selling tickets than coming up with a good matchup.

I wouldn’t turn on Campbell. College football is littered with programs who fired good coaches because they were not able to achieve some unobtainable lofty position.

As I pointed out, I think only UT and Notre Dame bring enough value to consider expansion. If a move is related to more money, then there the two options, unless there is a massive restructuring, would be the Big 10 and the SEC. As has been pointed out, there are pros and cons to joining which have been cited in this thread. Would UT want to join the Big 10 where the closest school is 800 miles away? Would UT want to be in the SEC? Could a handful of schools stop an invitation?

I used to think that there would not be any significant realignment until this SEC deal with ESPN was announced. Vanderbilt, Missouri and Arkansas are getting an extra $20M per year just because they are a part of the conference. I have a hard time seeing a Big 12 deal that keeps the media rights in the ballpark with the SEC and Big 10. One could argue that this locks in the Big 12 schools because any expansion by the SEC or Big 10 would have to add $75-100M/ year just to not dilute the payout to the other schools. I think there are two schools that can add that much value- UT and Notre Dame. OU is also possible, but the more money negotiated by the conferences, the harder to justify adding new members. I have never though KU was a candidate to move and this deal only solidifies my belief. As the GOR approaches, it will be interesting to see if it is extended. Can the Big 12 negotiate a decent deal? Does OU and UT demand higher distributions than the rest of the conference? How would the other eight react if that happens. What real options do OU and UT have if they want to leave?

I was talking financially. Specifically, the schools in the Big 12 that are not UT.

It makes one wonder how the Big 12 will be able to compete. The increased value of the CBS package will add $18M per year per team.

I guess to show my age, the first bowl I remember watching was the 1969 Orange Bowl between Penn State and, yes, Kansas. Three times every half century, Kansas has a nationally relevant team. John Riggins played on this team. KU had a 14-7 lead late in the 4th quarter. Penn State concerted on a long pass and eventually scored with less than a minute to play. They went for two points to win, but were not successful, but KU had 12 men on the field. Given a second chance, Penn State converted the two point conversion and won the game. The next year KU finished the season with a record of 1-9.

Only a few exiting bowls before 1980 when bowls were more meaningful. Maybe the people who put out the rankings are all under the age of 40.