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The KUT reporter issued an update to her earlier story
So they're at least not being academically punished, but it's still bullshit to bar tuition paying students from campus because you don't like their speech
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10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:
Thanks.
Probably an overreaction, but it doesn't sound that bad. I mean it's not like it was Kent State Pt. 2 or anything.
It's moreso what Hartzell has been doing, completely selling out his student body to the culture war and now threatening academic punishment against legal peaceful protesters. That sets a precedent of punishing and ejecting students extrajudicially, and gives a strong weapon to a leader with ill intent in their heart
Edit: not saying hartzell is that person, but whoever comes after him is gonna have abbott's hand up his ass
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1 minute ago, immamac said:
Or you could frame that exact same thing in a way that wasn't outrage and was making fun of Hartzell being a fluffer of the fascists or something else that uses more than 1% of the brainpower you have and is just pooped out raw emotion on a keyboard.
I'm not saying it's funny, I'm saying the way surly in particular can and has framed stuff that is serious in the past is with a lot of irreverence with an underlying tone of seriousness and gravity that isn't lost on the posters.
Heard, and I'll try to calm down a bit, but it's hard when a good chunk of this thread is people trying to distract from what happened at Texas by introducing what happened on the east or west coast, or just straight up applauding the action by abbott and hartzell.
1 minute ago, immamac said:I mean it used to be so goofy that we had to use a [SERIOUS] label at the end of Shaggy/beginning of surly because people were goofing TOO much.
Yeah but those were fun shenanigans. These shenanigans are cruel and tragic.
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6 minutes ago, Skipper said:
Yall need to go back and read @immamac's post about actually attempting to interject some humor instead of constant outrage posting. Maybe someone else will get it.
I'm not sure what's such a laughing matter? Like yeah it's from the Big Lebowski. Hawr hawr hawr! Do you think that's really appropriate in the face an honest to God fascist action on UT's campus at the behest of its own president?
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Just now, Skipper said:
Their revolution is over. Condolences! My advice to them is to do what their parents did - get a job! The bums will always lose!
It's completely inappropriate to academically punish students for peaceful and legal expressions of free speech.
It's horrifying how amped you are to punish these students for having an opinion you don't like.
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That's completely fucking outragous and way over the line that UT is going to academically punish students for speech they don't like
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And the escalation of fuckery and punishment of students for speaking the wrong speech continues
Protesters arrested for trespassing at UT Austin this week will not be allowed back on campus despite charges against them being dropped, a university spokesperson confirmed Friday.
The spokesperson did not respond to questions about how this could impact students who have final exams and plan to graduate in a couple weeks. A spokesperson told KUT the Office of the Dean of Students determines penalties for students, including how long a ban is in place.
Fifty-seven people were arrested Wednesday during pro-Palestinian protests on the university campus. UT Austin said roughly half of those arrested were students.
That includes Jumana Fakhreddine, a senior and pre-med student. The 22-year-old said she was arrested Wednesday afternoon, about 10 minutes after joining the protests. Fakhreddine said four to five officers lifted her off her feet and put her in zip-tie handcuffs.
The charges against her were dropped and she was released from jail just after midnight Thursday. She said since her release, no one from UT Austin has contacted her. She found she was not welcome on campus through a flyer circulated by the university.
“We thought that because the charges got dropped, we would be able to go to campus because we felt like that proved we didn’t do anything wrong,” she said. “But I guess that’s not true.”
UT Austin warned students before the protest that they could be disciplined for participating.
Fakhreddine said she's not sure if she'll be able to take her organic chemistry final on campus next week. She doesn’t need the class to graduate, she said, but does need it to apply to medical school.
“Initially I was angry about the whole thing, but I’m sad about how an educational institution is treating its students,” Fakhreddine said. “It just feels like such a betrayal.”
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1 minute ago, Billy Pilgrim said:
Some were starting to set up tents
Strangely, that hasn't been present in any of the footage or reporting that I've seen at Texas. Could you link me to it?
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3 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:
It’s not that fucking hard. Protest all you want but don’t set up camps, hold college campuses hostage, disrupt classes and crash graduation ceremonies. Go have your protest on west mall and leave it there.
That was literally met with 100 riot cops and horse cops and a fleet of cop vehicles. They were pushed off of the South Mall and then arrested for trespassing. Have you watched literally any of the footage?
Greg Abbott and the State of Texas violated those students freedom of speech and would not allow them to "have your protest and leave it there"
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Hahaha I kind of love that in his apology, he ends up posting the picture again. Never change @Armybrat. We may call you names and shit on you, but goddamnit your unintentional hilarity always delivers
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11 minutes ago, Skipper said:
You are a really productive and articulate poster and a great value add to every discussion. Always bringing up new, unique and non-inflammatory talking points to drive intelligent discourse. Keep on being great.
You care to revisit your stanning of hartzell's statement about how he was completely justified because they bagged a couple dozen folks that weren't officially affiliated with UT?
Did you see the AAS article upthread outlining how all 57 trespassing charges have been dropped? And that their probable cause affidavits were literally just copy/pasta?
It's crystal clear what happened on Wednesday. I don't understand your shared impulse to talk about everything except what happened on Wednesday at Texas.
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1 minute ago, MissingInAction said:
I recommend watching, "Hitler: The Rise of Evil". It's on prime with ads.
The parallels are terrifying.
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Oh also Stateman just dropped. Charges dropped for all 57 people arrested.
All charges have been declined against the 57 people arrested in connection to the Wednesday pro-Palestinian protest at the University of Texas.
The Travis County attorney's office said all 57 arrests, which were all criminal trespassing charges, lacked probable cause.
County Attorney Delia Garza, whose office handles misdemeanor cases, told the American-Statesman on Thursday that her office agreed with defense lawyers that there were "deficiencies" with the probable cause arrest affidavits, which are the documents filled out by law enforcement to justify an arrest. At that time on Thursday, 46 of the 57 had charges declined.
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1 minute ago, gmr548 said:
I doubt he is some mouth breathing, election denying, texags dipshit and prior to this week has always seemed to handle himself professionally - not injecting politics into his job - at least from what I can tell as an unconnected observer. But simple demographic probability and his track record at UT suggest it's unlikely he is any kind of progressive.
Considering that track record includes pre-emptively calling in a company-scale deployment of state troopers to put down a protest because he didn't like their speech and was scared of something happening in CA and NY.... He's got some major fascist points on the board.
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3 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:
Yeah, no. Our student athletes asked for the university to act. Calling their concerns nonsense is arrogant, and patronizing.
And interestingly, the LHB director at the time of the Eyes controversy, Scott Hanna, made all the same mistakes of inaction and over-politicking as Hartzell did. They even look the same, which is pretty weird
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I know there's a whole "devil you know" aspect to all of this, but all that keeping Hartzell communicates is that these sorts of fascist abuses of power are completely acceptable and justified
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2 minutes ago, troph said:
not even close to what I'm saying. if hartzell is the fascist, hang him by his sagging scrotum. I'm not sure he's the fascist though. I certainly would like to find out more.
IMO, it is completely fucking irrelevant however he felt while he requested a fucking COMPANY of DPS officers to come into his campus to deprive his students of their freedom of speech. He fucking ordered the code red.
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KVUE reporting isn't super clear, but it looks like all the trespass charges have been dropped?
Seeking more info
Edit: it looks like they dropped 46 out of 55 cases, not sure what the 9 remaining details are
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10 minutes ago, lucious leftfoot said:
So?
There's also a large portion that have about as progressive views as you can. I thought diversity was a good thing. I would put diversity of thought in that bucket as well.
In an ideal world, universities encourage that sort of thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
We should not seek out and internalize all thought and ignore our own values just because it's different from our own. Society will invariably bend towards the wishes of those who wish to exclude and rule over others.
Which wouldn't ya know it, is exactly what fuckin happened when Hartzell invited the jackboot riot cops into campus a day before the event and had em lining up before any protesters even started to arrive
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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:
The reality is that Hartzell doesn't call the shots. The BOR calls the shots. I can't speak for how he handled firing a bunch of folks, becuase I have no personal knowledge of that, but your story sure sounds like it was fucking shitty. But he was told to shutter DEI, or lose his job. I know Hartzell loves UT and wanted it to be his last job. But I have to wonder if we'll be seeing that guy take a job as Presdient in...some other state. At the end of the day, this is a microcosm of everything else that is happening in Texas, right down to the people who are making active plans to GTFO of this place at some point in the future.
Sorry I didn't quite make it clear, Hartzell had told the soon-to-be-fired DEI staff that they would find a place for them in UT so they would not lose their jobs and livelihood. The DEI program was going away no matter what, but he welched on his commitment to keep them in jobs somewhere at UT.
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34 minutes ago, Red Five said:
What’s with all of the hypotheticals that have nothing to do with the case in front of them? Considering the urgency here, or what should be urgency I guess, why not say something like “We can address all of these hypotheticals at a later date, but for now, no, a President does not have immunity for failed coup attempts.”
My guy, the supremes have issued entire rulings constructed whole-cloth out of hypotheticals that have nothing do with the case in front of them.
It's what fascists do when they don't have facts on their side: stoke grievances with hypotheticals. See: DT pro-Palestine protest thread
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8 minutes ago, YGIFS said:
I get your point. But the DEI shit foisted upon Hartzell by the government. He had no cards to play and was genuinely supportive of the DEI mission. This was altogether a different animal. This was 100% architected by Eltife, Longoria, and Abbott. But Jay went along with it. And we will likely never know why.
The DEI stuff was compounded because (according to my mom who's an AD for UT student services) hartzell made a big show of telling the staff and faculty that nobody would be losing their job and livelihood over the DEI programs getting shuttered - and then he fired all sixty of em. The staff and faculty have already been mad at hartzell because he went back on his word about protecting the Texas family from State interference
That's what the Tower protest yesterday was originally supposed to be about, but they ceded the site to the second day of the peaceful pro-Palestine protests
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2 minutes ago, Bevo said:
That is actually a good question - I don't think I've stated where I stand. Hate rallies when they are a minority are good for free speech. Hate rallies when they are a majority are problematic. You went to the BLM rallies. What if there were rallies that BLdidn'tM? Fine. Now what if those rallies were 20 times larger than the BLM groups? We have a problem. I hate to play the Nazi card, but that has actually happened to jews in the recent past - when my parents were being born and when some of my grandparents were of fight or flight age. So, when there is now a mix of anti-Israel and antisemitic sentiment, is it just the current conflict or is there something deep seeded? It is debatable. So when the jewish fraternities and sororities side with breaking up the rally and preventing some of the shit that is going on around other college campuses while having to increase security at their houses - all I can say is that I'm conflicted. Some of this needs to be nipped in the bud before it sprouts - leaders should be leading. In the absence of that, I'm not sure what is the best way to make change happen. How do you feel if things get out of control around the US? What about around the world? When do you stand up?
None of what you are talking about is descriptive of what happened on Wednesday at UT. Why do you insist upon talking about everything EXCEPT what happened at Texas?
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2 minutes ago, Skipper said:
It's not just state politics. It's internal politics as well. He's getting heat for what happened but imagine the heat from those cutting the checks that actually matter if he would have let UT campus turn into Columbia
So you think it's appropriate to invite fascism and the trampling of free speech at The University of Texas because he was scared of something that happened in New York?
Gee whiz, what a fucking LEADER! Wowie zowie!
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UT Pro-Palestine Protest Thread
in Daily Texan
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This is not an accurate description of what happened yesterday. They don't need authorization to be there because of the 2019 law signed by Abbott that turns public universities into designated public discourse spaces. The police didn't ask anything of the protesters, the just started kettling protesters and forced them into streets so they could be arrested for blocking the street.