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  1. 17 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

    Thanks to the 2A, if this is the reality, your guns help ensure rights encroached by the gubmint.

    Well we know that if a single AR-15 were there, DPS would still be waiting to enter campus

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  2. Just now, troph said:

    I hear you, I think you are reasonable, I think your position is reasonable. I just don't know enough. free speech (and more accurately the right to assemble) in and of itself is complex area of the law, so it's not every really black or white. AND, fuck DPS and the goons that used bullshit tactics to get the assemblers in trouble.

    How about: Abbott signed a law in 2019 to specifically make every public university a legal place for peaceful protest and demonstration. He violated that law yesterday because of fear of what happened in California and New York. 

    Goons did not use bullshit tactics to get assemblers in trouble. The police showed up at 1130, before the protesters did, in full on riot gear. There's fucking video from Fox7 (before their cameraman was RKO'd and arrested by DPS) of students in yellow vests clearing a path through the protest for the police, who then turn around and teakettle and start arresting them. 

     

    Please, go look for yourself what happened. Don't take abbott's word for it. 

    He's counting on you to take his word and not be curious enough to look for yourself. 

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  3. 1 minute ago, Bevo said:

    I never thought about it but I think you are correct. Maybe the jewish community is delusional. Have you thought about presenting your thoughts to the Anti-defimation League?

    How the surge in antisemitism is affecting countries around the world

    By Reuters
    October 31, 202310:25 AM CDTUpdated 6 months ago
     
    The following are details of how the surge is affecting countries, compiled by Reuters reporters around the world:

    UNITED STATES

    Jewish advocacy group the Anti-Defamation League reported last week that antisemitic incidents had risen by about 400% in the two weeks following the Oct. 7 attack, compared with the same period last year.
     
    Government officials met American-Jewish leaders on Monday to discuss steps to counter what a White House official described as an alarming uptick in reported instances of antisemitism on university campuses.
     
    After a man screaming "Free Palestine" and "Kill Jews" attempted to break into a Jewish family's home in Los Angeles on Oct. 25, Mayor Karen Bass said police would continue stepping up patrols in communities throughout the city.
     

    CANADA

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke on Oct. 17 of a "scary rise" in antisemitism in Canada, citing incidents at a Jewish high school in Toronto as well as escalating inflammatory language online.

    ARGENTINA

    Scarred by two attacks in the 1990s on the Israeli embassy and on a Jewish community centre, which killed over 100 people in total, Argentine Jewish leaders have been advising community members to exercise caution and increase vigilance.
     
    A well-known Jewish school in Buenos Aires asked pupils not to wear their usual uniforms, while some teams pulled out of a table tennis competition being held at a Jewish club for fear it could be targeted.
    Local media reported last week an Argentine man was arrested after calling on social media platform 4chan for attacks on Jewish children in schools.

    BRAZIL

    Jewish leaders have noticed a rise in antisemitic discourse online, and incidents such as graffiti defacing a synagogue in Rio de Janeiro. No instances of physical threats or assaults have been reported.
     
    "We are very concerned. We have increased the security of our institutions," said Ricardo Berkiensztat, executive president of the Jewish Federation of the State of Sao Paulo.
    He said he had seen comments online such as "Hitler didn't finish, he should have finished killing Jews".

    BRITAIN

    London's police force said there had been a 14-fold increase in incidents of antisemitism since the Oct. 7 attack.
    The Community Security Trust, which collates reports of antisemitism in Britain, said the number of incidents in the three weeks following the attack was the highest for any three-week period since it started collecting data in 1984.
     

    FRANCE

    Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said on Monday that since Oct. 7 there had been 819 antisemitic acts. That compares with a figure of 436 for the whole of 2022.
    Darmanin said there had been 414 arrests in connection with this trend.

    GERMANY

    A survey by a civil society observatory, the RIAS, found a 240% year-on-year increase in antisemitic incidents in the period of Oct. 7-15.

    NETHERLANDS

    No official figures are available yet, but Eddo Verdoner, national coordinator for combating antisemitism, said a sharp rise had been observed and anxiety was high in the Jewish community.
    He said Jewish parents had reported their children had been harassed at school, with comments such as "Hamas were right" and "they should have done it earlier" directed at them.

    SOUTH AFRICA

    The number of antisemitic incidents in October is nine times higher than the average recorded for that month over the past decade, according to David Saks, associate director of the South African Jewish Board of Deputies.
    In one incident, a woman who shared a link to information about a protest calling for the release of Israeli hostages being held in Gaza was abused online, including a post that said "we'll come for her babies next".

    RUSSIA

    After an angry crowd stormed an airport in the Dagestan region searching for Jews to harm after a plane arrived from Tel Aviv, the president of Russia's Federation of Jewish Communities called on the authorities to harshly punish the organisers.
    Rabbi Alexander Boroda said the airport riot "undermined the basic foundations of our multi-cultural and multi-national state".

    CHINA

    No figures are available on antisemitic incidents. On Oct. 13, a staff member of the Israeli embassy in Beijing was assaulted and a suspect was arrested.
    Chinese social media is awash with antisemitic content, including posts suggesting the Nazi Holocaust was justified and likening Jews to parasites, vampires or snakes.
    A foreign ministry spokesperson said the law prohibited the use of the internet to propagate hate speech, but there were no discernible efforts by the authorities to curb antisemitic activity online.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Perhaps, now is the time to give everyone a thumbs up for their contributions to bringing the Cloak Room to the Daily Texan. Nice job all around guys.

    Stop insisting that what happened at Texas on Wednesday was about antisemitism. You are doing abbott's propaganda work for him. 

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  4. 36 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

    I know it hasn't gone fully Aggy maga stupidity yet but it's still the university of Texas. The flagship university in one of the most backwards ass maga states in the country. It's going to be influenced by those shitheads until and if maga can be run out of Texas politics. 

    Are there numerous videos of the protests? Were the police the clear instigators attacking people who were not being violent or aggressive? This right now is the first I've read or heard about this so I don't know any of the details. 

    First couple pages of the DT thread before the fascist apologists show up have most of the contemporaneous video and journalism on what happened 

     

     

  5. 4 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

    This is a discussion thread. I am discussing the humor in one group, just months before, wanting a shut down, and later getting shut down, just in the unintended way.

    Yes, I know you take joy in seeing protesters brutalized, and ideally, shot in the streets. I too posted on surly in 2020. I just think it's disgusting to take joy in seeing it done to the Texas student body to appease a fascist movement. Especially when the same governor """standing up to antisemitism""" had no problems with no shit neonazis marching down congress wearing facemasks to demonstrate on the state capital. 

    It puts the lie to their bullshit statement they released yesterday that is eagerly being mindlessly repeated by useful idiots. 

    8 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

    You are not the thread police. You are not an appointed judge. You are a little activist LARPer.  Stay mad.

    Ok and you stay happy about this, ya sick fuck

  6. 6 minutes ago, Herbie Hancock said:

    Was it not you that started the name calling?

    I think the worst "name calling" I've done in this thread is calling someone a boomer, unless you think calling someone who is supporting fascism a "fascism supporter" is a bad thing?

    If you'd like to litigate my posts so that you can distract from the fascist attack on our campus, let's take it to another thread so we don't derail the focus on what happened at Texas on Wednesday. 

     

    Which to be clear, was a fascist crackdown on free speech simply because the State did not like the content of that speech. 

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  7. 8 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

    Which people do I like, and which people did I ask to be censored? Didn't you suggest that I gave no shits to either the Israelis or Palestinians?

    I know exactly what happened after the palestinian group begged and "demanded" for another group to be shutdown: something that made you cry. Pissant.

    We've been over this in the thread. They were asking UT to not officially sponsor the anti-palestinian, pro-zionist group that was calling for Palestinian genocide. That is the speech that I am inferring that you wanted to see, mainly because you're so happy to see their opposition met with outrageous violence. 

    There is an important distinction between being not allowed to say anything at all and being teakettled in a designated public discourse space, and between wanting UT to not endorse pro-genocide speech. Nobody was trying to silence the pro-zionist speech, they just didn't want it wearing a UT logo. 

     

    And yet, you choose to not see this key distinction and instead lean on name calling to attempt to derail the thread. 

  8. And for what it's worth, the big stat from hartzell that the fascism apologists are hanging their hat on is misleading at best. If 26 of the arrested people were unaffiliated with the university, then a bunch of them were released without charges because there was no probable cause to justify their detainment and deprivation of rights

    https://www.kut.org/crime-justice/2024-04-25/ut-austin-palestinian-protest-charges-dismissed-israel-gaza-war

    Call me whatever names you'd like, but hartzells numbers and statements he gave to justify inviting fascism don't add up with the public and verifiable information we have. 

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  9. 3 hours ago, 52-80 said:

    First they came for the students.

    And I did not speak out, for I was not in a far left circle jerk.

    So in your mind, the only people that are upset about what DPS did two days ago are in a "far left circle jerk"? Man when there's no FRED chart applicable to the topic at hand you're genuinely rudderless and don't have a fucking clue. 

    But it's also something that you are invoking a classic poem regarding the rise of fascism and ignoring the end of the poem. You do know what happens after they come after the people you don't like, right? 

  10. The attempt by Hartzell and every useful idiot in this thread to make what happened in Austin, TX on Speedway in front of Gregory, and on the Six Pack be about something that happened in California and New York is fucking absurd on its face. What the actual fuck are you saying. 

     

    Talk about WHAT HAPPENED AT TEXAS. Fucking watch some actual reporting from the event and don't just sheepishly regurgitate statements from the people who called in the fucking jack booted head crackers to brutalize students. 

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  11. 2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

    I only jumped into the thread because you misrepresented what was said in the text to fit your agenda/position.  I haven't had time to (nor do I really plan to or have any desire to) read the entire thread or watch every video.  I assume a bunch of asshole cops acted like you might expect asshole cops might act when mixed with asshole protestors.  If you want to blame Hartzell for not giving very specific instructions to minimize confrontation, then that's probably a valid criticism and I would have perused the thread and turned my attention back to the draft without engaging.  Now I'm turning my attention to bed.  I'll let you keep yelling at the clouds assuming anyone that disagrees with you is a 75 year old Newsmax junkie.  Good luck with that.

    Enjoy not caring about your state and university bowing to and welcoming the fascist threat of violence. You give alumnus a bad name for excusing this abuse of rights.

    Enjoy sleeping soundly and choosing ignorance and propaganda over objective reality. Ignorance is bliss, I hear. 

  12. Just now, Skipper said:

    don't give a damn about what side you are on

    I'm on the side that says that the state of Texas passed a "free speech on college campus" law and then beat up protesters because abbott didn't like what they were saying. 

    There were similar statements about UTSA and other UT system schools and the protests there happened without any thuggery or State violence. Wonder what the difference was. 

    3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

    I'm not opining on what actually happened.

    Oh, it's abundantly clear you don't want to address what ACTUALLY happened and would rather treat a hypothetical as objective fact. 

    4 minutes ago, Skipper said:

    I'm pushing back on the thought that it was a mistake to prepare for the possibility the same thing could happen at Texas that has happened elsewhere.

    No, you're talking out of your ass and saying that hartzells response was """not great, not terrible""". Motherfucker he called in RIOT COPS because he was scared his students speech would upset the governor and hurt his political capital with the state lege, and he was more than happy to trade the health and wellbeing of his student body to do so. 

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  13. 2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

    If you read what Hartzell actually stated (not the bullshit you projected on him or me), assume it was true, and you still think he was wrong, that's fine.   That's your opinion.  But I assure you it's a minority one no matter what you all convince yourselves talking to each other on this board.

    Then you are a fucking coward if you think the right way to handle a peaceful protest is to call in the fucking stormtroopers to crack heads. 

    I do not buy Hartzells statement for a moment because he is speaking from a place of fear, not leadership. Instead of speaking to his students and faculty, he called in RIOT COPS to fuck em up. 

    Your reaction, and applauding what Hartzell did will only serve to ensure more crackdowns like this for unallowed speech. 

  14. Hartzell calling in the riot cops on his own student body because he didn't like their speech is beyond the fucking pale. He can repeat abbott's party line on his justification, but it's has nothing to do with what happened yesterday on campus.

    It's unsurprising and predictable that so many people on this board are uncritically believing whatever their preferred authority figure tells them, but holy fucking shit. 

    Just now, YGIFS said:

    Who we talking about?  

    Hartzell being confirmed by the Daily Texan (publication, not board) to have called in the jackboots

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  15. Just now, 956 Worldwide said:

    But that has to actually happen, it can’t be wish-casting based on what people did in LA or NYC. 

    No, no let the people who think "anti fascist" is an insult continue to advocate for collective punishment. They don't realize how they look, but at least they're finally saying it out loud. 

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  16. 1 minute ago, 52-80 said:

    What is offensive or scary or about the 2023 Israeli-American Council Summit in Austin that this same PSC group demanded to be shut down, on grounds of danger?

    https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/article-715248

    Something tells me you didn't give a shit about any of this group or even know about them until abbott targeted them for brutality

    2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

    Correct, its “fine” for the PSC to make this *plead* against another groups right to convene. My point wasnt that their demand per se is a problem, but that its hilariously backfired. Didnt know the jaguar would eat MY face. 

    Yes. We know you think it's hilarious when protesters are beaten up by cops. 

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  17. 1 minute ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

    That was the Summer of the CHOP in Seattle, right? Of the antifa riots right? Yeah it was great fun watching the country immolate. We should all do it again.

    Yes all that happened that summer was "antifa riots". Just like how yesterday was yeah?

  18. 1 minute ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

    I'm sure that's what they thought at Columbia. It was very clearly stated what was intended, to "occupy the lawn", to "cancel classes", and to establish "THE POPULAR UNIVERSITY FOR GAZA". Doesn't sound lawless or threatening at all. It's not like there wasn't already a playbook or anything.

    I don't think there's anything that will ever change your mind that cracking protester heads is the right move. You and yours sure enjoyed it during the 2020 summer of love. 

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