Captainant
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TexasTribune has some new reporting on the fallout
Notable things from the journalism:
- At least 57 people, including one journalist, were arrested yesterday
- UT Faculty Counsel Executive Committee this morning said they are "gravely alarmed" by yesterday's reaction and accused Hartzell of inviting DPS onto campus
- A number of professors have made classes optional today
- Protests are planned to resume at the Tower today at 12:15
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8 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:
Justice Alito suggests that there is a risk to our stable democracy if presidents who lose close elections would not be allowed to retire in peace but could face prosecution. He has essentially flipped the situation under consideration upside down: that Trump is being prosecuted for having used fraud to remain in power after losing a close election.
Seems like the fix there is to nullify the DOJ memo, rather than create a king every 4 years
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1 minute ago, Incredulity said:
No. Feel free to put me on ignore.
Nowhere did I say the UT protest yesterday was antisemitism. I've been abundantly clear. Jokes about chasing Jews aren't fucking funny.
You're just saying it repeatedly and insistently in a thread about the protests yesterday, while the governor and senator that are creaming their khakis over beating up protesters are claiming that they sent in the goons because of antisemitism.
I'm not a fucking idiot, dude. It's pretty transparent the line you're towing.
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1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:
Do UT's time, place, and manner restrictions violate the constitution? I honestly do not know. But that seems to be what Hartzell is hanging his hat on. If not, protesters either need to obey them or risk being arrested.
You need to pull your head out of the fucking sand and watch the footage from yesterday. Protesters were being compliant with police officers, and STUDENTS THAT ARE PAYING A FUCKING FORTUNE TO BE ON CAMPUS AND ARE ENTITLED TO BE THERE were being teakettled and rounded up and arrested for having the temerity to have an opinion that the governor didn't like.
Don't turn off your fucking brain and lick boots on this one, sack. Be better than that.
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Israel
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45 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:It’s fucking absurd for public officials and so many in the media to pretend these protests are rife with antisemitism.
They're cynically doing it to animate their supporters and listeners/viewers that aren't curious enough to validate things themselves. It's been happening in the DT thread already and has been a slog to address their lies as they post them. BlackLab almost gave them a leg up in resetting the conversation and deleting the established timelines of what the fuck was happening.
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32 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:
A month or two ago, there was a news story I happened across on one of the UFO subreddits that there was something in space that was gravely concerning to the US government. A week or so later, there was a news story about a satellite deorbitting and burning up in the atmosphere. Of course they said it was some ordinary satellite, but I wonder if that was a cover for us shooting down a satellite with a nuke or maybe an EMP. Prime tinfoil hat stuff, yes, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
Wasn't there just a big news story about the US officially fielding a flying EMP cruise missile? I wonder if that could create some strange atmospheric effects as it flies l, and I could see a ramp up in field tests with current events being what they are
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3 hours ago, Bevo said:And as you said people who engage in violence, threats, and intimidation, should be held accountable. This hasn't been happening, though. And things are getting out of hand in many places around the country and around the world. When mobs storm the airport terminal in Daghestani, shouting antisemitic slogans, chanting "Allahu Akbar" and running around asking staff where the "Jews" are, Jews around the world take notice. It has been seen before and it has rarely ended peacefully.
It's really fucking weird and concerning how coordinated the gaslighting attempt has been to set the narrative of "threats violence and intimidation" being the reason cops were called to campus. I have not seen a single instance of it occurring at Texas yesterday, and to the contrary have read multiple firsthand reports of Jewish students peacefully talking with the protesters, with some even joining the protest.
There was not a """march of antisemitism""" on campus yesterday. The police were there in riot gear before noon. They had decided yesterday morning that they were going to crack some heads.
Those students committed the cardinal sin of protesting the wrong thing. The state of Texas and University of Texas is now deploying force to stop speech it doesn't like. That's what fascism looks like.
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7 hours ago, F250 said:
You are obsessed with Tate and gay sex and there is nothing wrong with that. I support and embrace all lifestyles so no judgment from me. If you secretly desire to be fucked or fuck Andrew Tate that is perfectly fine and acceptable. Just be your true self and everything else will fall into place.
NowThis is good advice
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5 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:So are we having a campus-wide strike tomorrow?
There was already a planned protest over the firing of the DEI staff - they had been told that Texas would find a place for them, and then welched. About sixty people left in the lurch. The tower was already shut down tomorrow for that, so all systems are go for a general strike tomorrow
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/r/UTAustin has more first hand accounts of what happened:
QuoteHere are the facts:
- Protests of nearly equal or even larger size have occurred with a small UTPD presence and resulted in 0 arrests or disruptions (such as one on Nov. 9)
- State Troopers showed up at 11:40 in riot gear when the protests hadn’t even began, so they couldn’t have been responding to violence.
- State Troopers let people march for an hour on speedway and randomly declared the march illegal at 12:40 for blocking a roadway. They ordered people to disperse but also blocked people from leaving.
- When people then moved to south mall to not block speedway, they then declared all of south mall illegal to be on. They pushed the crowd onto sidewalks and created a danger of students being trampled
- Students got an email from UT Austin that declared anyone in the south mall area to be a rioter at 5:18pm
- After fencing the normally publicly available south mall off, police jumped over their own fences to arrest random people not on the mall, but on the sidewalks. They arrested compliant students, a Fox News journalist, an elderly protestor, and shoved around many professors.
- Troopers then declared the entire sidewalk off limits, and pushed the students from the sidewalk onto a street, blocking it off with a line of bike cops and horse police.
- For the first time in the day people students were actually obstructed, but not by protestors: UT staff and cops banned anyone from south mall, it’s sidewalks, and blocked a street off next to it with bike cops. If they tried to get to class using any of these routes, a cop (not a protestor) might slam them.
- The state troopers and APD randomly left around 7pm. (I have no idea why they would turn their backs on “violent rioters” without being attacked, calmly walk away, and let the "violent rioters" go back to a campus)
- Protestors returned to the south mall after 7pm. They did the same thing they would’ve done if the police never showed up: sat on the mall chanting while people freely walked by.
Why did all of this happen? This was an unconditional political stunt by Greg Abbott. He sent the troopers in advance to disrupt any pro-Palestine events on campus, even if legal & peaceful.
They didn’t just wait until violence occurred before sending riot police. Because they knew violence likely wouldn’t break out and therefore they wouldn’t have a reason to arrive.
They didn’t simply order police to arrest violent individuals, because there wouldn’t be any, and they wouldn’t be able to disrupt the event. This is why they declared an entire area illegal.
This was a pre-planned attempt by UT Officials and Abbott to silence people peacefully protesting. Abbott said it himself on Twitter; he believed UT students belong behind metal bars not because they hurt anyone, but he dislikes what they think. Abbott did this to score points with his party and donors.
Shame on UT officials for going along with this anti-constitutional political stunt and getting students heads slammed on concrete, people’s futures jeopardized, and professors shoved around by cops so Abbott could get some favorable headlines.
The detailed timeline of events is important, and key to disarming the trespass allegations by the fascists that brutalized my university today
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Israel
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Just now, The Ace of Aces said:
Fuck the state authorities who sent in the cops. Cowards.
Hartzells email that got sent out seems to be him claiming credit for calling in the head crackers
Dear UT community,
This has been a challenging day for many. We have witnessed much activity we normally do not experience on our campus, and there is understandably a lot of emotion surrounding these events.
Today, our University held firm, enforcing our rules while protecting the Constitutional right to free speech. Peaceful protests within our rules are acceptable. Breaking our rules and policies and disrupting others’ ability to learn are not allowed. The group that led this protest stated it was going to violate Institutional Rules. Our rules matter, and they will be enforced. Our University will not be occupied.
The protesters tried to deliver on their stated intent to occupy campus. People not affiliated with UT joined them, and many ignored University officials’ continual pleas for restraint and to immediately disperse. The University did as we said we would do in the face of prohibited actions. We were prepared, with the necessary support to maintain campus operations and ensure the safety, well-being and learning environment for our more than 50,000 students.
We are grateful for the countless staff members and state and University law enforcement officers, as well as support personnel who exercised extraordinary restraint in the face of a difficult situation that is playing out at universities across the country. There is a way to exercise freedom of speech and civil discourse, and our Office of the Dean of Students has continued to offer ways to ensure protests can happen within the rules. The University of Texas will continue to take necessary steps so that all our University functions proceed without interruption.
Sincerely yours,
Jay Hartzell
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@YGIFS you asked earlier what teakettling is, here's a student's firsthand account of how the cops were doing it today:
QuoteI would just like to add to this since this thread is already going. They threatened arrest with penal code "42.03 Obstructing a Highway or other passageway."
The protestors were on the lawn until the cops and state troopers showed up. They then proceeded to push the protestors off the lawn onto the sidewalk and they taped off the lawn. They moved the protestors off the lawn and onto the sidewalk SO THAT THEY COULD ARREST THEM. Bullshit of the highest orderThe cops were forcing students off of lawns and into sidewalks and streets so they could charge them with obstructing streets.
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4 minutes ago, Slacks said:Carlos hit an officer.
You can see him in the video bump an officer in the back with his camera, but it's by no means an attack or even "hitting" someone in the way the connotes intention. Those cops were looking for the thinnest veneer of justification to kick some ass and slap some cuffs on someone
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Israel
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Microsoft's licensing is gonna keep ARM from getting bigger - enterprises with VDI solutions are really badly handcuffed by windows licensing terms that make running them anywhere but Azure not that great.
But, I could definitely see ARM taking over more and more. Especially when you've got the success of Valve's Proton compatibility to translate directX APIs into Vulkan APIs, there's fewer and fewer anchors keeping consumer users on Windows for desktop computing
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1 minute ago, ChickenSandwich said:
I don’t believe in the right to break laws in the name of “protest.”
That was not happening here? Please support your assertion that it was.
1 minute ago, ChickenSandwich said:I do believe the Jewish students on campus should be free from hate speech and Hamas apologists on their way to class.
Same thing as above.
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Israel
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UT Pro-Palestine Protest Thread
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As we get more into discussion and unpacking whatever the fuck happened yesterday, I think it's useful to remember what past intellectuals have written about fascism. Umberto Eco grew up under Mussolini's fascist regime, and really nicely distilled the idea of "Ur-Fascism" and its common "features".
It is deeply upsetting how many of these features can be seen in abbott's abuse and response since yesterday. And also upsetting to see features in other posters.