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Shinyribs at Under the Volcano Pretty cozy little spot

AHCKSHUALLY that's an energy company

Right..... So considering that this COULD have been much worse, you call it an overreaction to add something more substantial than a chain link fence to protect it from the roadway direction? Or is it that since bollards won't stop an airplane, we shouldn't do anything at all?

There was a story a week ago of Florida sherrifs getting fed up with constant school shooting threats with parents not punishing the kids, so the sheriffs are resorting to arresting and perp walking the kid and sort-of processing them. The drug bust-style gun spreads are a part of the shaming for kids who threaten their schools. The image included in this article: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-11-year-old-arrested-sheriff-release-mugshot-rcna171437 The release came just days after the sheriff said he would start releasing the mug shots of students who are arrested for making school shooting threats; two teenagers and the 11-year-old child were taken into custody within the last few days. "Since parents, you don't want to raise your kids, I'm gonna start raising them," Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood said at a news conference Friday. "Every time we make an arrest, your kids' photo is going to be put out there and if I can do it, I'm gonna perp walk your kid so that everybody can see what your kid's up to." On Monday, the sheriff's office announced the arrest of the 11-year-old Creekside Middle School student who allegedly threatened to commit a school shooting and had a "written list of people he claimed he would kill," authorities said. The boy, of Port Orange, is accused of showing off "several weapons" during a video chat with friends and threatening to commit the shooting at Creekside or Silver Sands Middle School, the sheriff's office said in a news release. Detectives were alerted through Fortify Florida, which allows people to make anonymous reports of suspicious activity to law enforcement and school officials. The sheriff’s office released the child’s name, mug shot and a video of him being escorted into the jail. NBC News is not naming the child or showing his picture because he is a minor.

Mailing a bomb to the UN isn't exactly what would be seen as a "good guy" move lol. Weird joke.

Lol yes, it's too expensive and onerous to protect these sites in residential areas because of flying cars.

It really is incredible how much y'all are able to whip yourself into a frenzy with shit you only imagine I said. What is wanton about blaming the owners of a valve that's burned for more than 3 days now next to a 4 land road for not protecting it with more than a chain link fence? I cited the safety reg, it's pretty clear it's the pipeline/valve owners responsibility to keep it safe by placing it a safe distance from traffic or putting up barricades. Are you really arguing that a plain jane chain link fence is sufficient barricading for a vehicle for a site adjacent to a 4 lane public road?

Last time I checked, those don't explode and aren't in residential areas. C'mon, man. That's apples and oranges. Although both can give you cancer depending on who you ask...

That's literally not what I or brisket or Dahobbs are saying. Y'all are running it to the extreme and then tilting off on that straw man and then insinuating I'm a communist pollyanna.

Residents are returning homes that are partially melted and took a ton of water damage due to shingles melting off https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2024/09/19/deer-park-couple-returns-to-homes-devastating-damage-from-intense-pipeline-fire/ Just a titanic amount of damage to protect with only a chain link fence in a residential area.

So in your mind, once built, a facility or piece of machinery never needs to make any updates or site improvements as its surrounding environment changes? Those shares aren't gonna buy themselves back, I hear ya. Gotta make line go up. They're entitled it, after all.

I don't hate hydrocarbon businesses. I hate businesses that are poor stewards of their operations and frequently leave extremely hazardous disasters for the public to clean up and pay for. These guys skimped on improving protection more than a chainlink fence as the area around the valve changed from a field to a road to a whole neighborhood. I cannot believe that a chain link fence is the standard of protection for extremely dangerous machinery that is (1) next to an active roadway (2) in the middle of a residential area and (3) going to impact the health and homes of thousands of families should ANYTHING happen to it. And also, midstreams are absolutely an O&G entity. Sorry you are so triggered by that lol. And as I mentioned upthread, I was not calling out CP as an O&G but as another recent and local happenstance of deffered maintenance and improvements leading to significant public damage and issues.

Careful, with cops on the board you could get got for threatening aggy with the last one

more like GFYS model, ew no thank you

AP News: Russia goes all-out with covert disinformation aimed at Harris, Microsoft report says NEW YORK (AP) — The video was seen millions of times across social media but some viewers were suspicious: It featured a young Black woman who claimed Vice President Kamala Harris left her paralyzed in a hit-and-run accident in San Francisco 13 years ago. In an emotional retelling from a wheelchair, the alleged victim said she “cannot remain silent anymore” and lamented that her childhood had “ended too soon.” Immediately after the video was posted on Sept. 2, social media users pointed out reasons to be wary. The purported news channel it came from, San Francisco’s KBSF-TV, didn’t exist. A website for the channel set up just a week earlier contained plagiarized articles from real news outlets. The woman’s X-ray images shown in the video were taken from online medical journals. And the video and the text story on the website spelled the alleged victim’s name differently. The caution was warranted, according to a new Microsoft threat intelligence report, which confirms the fabricated tale was disinformation from a Russia-linked troll farm. The tech giant’s report released Tuesday details how Kremlin-aligned actors that at first struggled to adapt to President Joe Biden dropping out of the race have now gone full throttle in their covert influence efforts against Harris and Democrats. It also explains how Russian intelligence actors are collaborating with pro-Russian cyber “hacktivists” to boost allegedly hacked-and-leaked materials, a strategy the company notes could be weaponized to undermine U.S. confidence in November’s election outcome. The findings reveal how even through dramatic changes in the political landscape, groups linked to America’s foreign adversaries have redoubled their commitment to sway U.S. political opinion as the election nears, sometimes through deeply manipulative means. They also provide further insight into how Russia’s efforts to fight pro-Ukrainian policy in the U.S. are translating into escalating attacks on the Democratic presidential ticket. The report builds on previous concerns the U.S. has had about Russian interference in the upcoming election. Earlier this month, the Biden administration seized Kremlin-run websites and charged two Russian state media employees in an alleged scheme to secretly fund and influence a network of right-wing influencers. Russia-linked actors have spent several months seeking to manipulate American perspectives with covert postings, but until this point, their efforts saw little traction. Notably, some of the recent examples cited in the Microsoft report received significant social media engagement from unwitting Americans who shared the fake stories with outrage.

Evacuation order was lifted yesterday at 6pm https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/environment/article/deer-park-pipeline-fire-suv-19772158.php The fire is not fully extinguished, but officials said they expect repairs to be fully complete by 6 p.m. Thursday. Once the repairs are made, the fire should take roughly two to three hours to die down, according to a news release.

Scott Manley put out a great recap video from the hearing and recently releasing images, and provides some analysis on the wreckage site photos Surprising detail from the video: the main structural engineer that was fired after expressing safety concerns had previously worked on the SRB's for the space shuttle. Jeeze what an unfortunate run of shitty management for him.

Lol O&G finance bros bigmad

Lol Rex made it about energy companies, I was trying to stick to O&G! In particular, this company profiteered off of the Feb'21 freeze and made billions on the corpses of hundreds of Texans. You're goddamn right I hold them in contempt. Even moreso if the defense is that it's too expensive to protect the thousands of families they operate around I called out centerpoint not as an O&G example, but as an example of piss poor corporate maintenance posture and over-indexing on maximizing profits over mitigating risks that has led to multiple disasters within the last several years.

If my front door was 100 feet from a 45mph four lane road, I would probably be less than enthusiastic about them playing in the front yard, yeah. And also, my child doesn't pose a public health and safety risk to thousands of families and homes should she be ran down by an out of control car. It wouldn't lead to mandatory evacuations and shelter in place orders, because the public risk exposure is significantly different in your scenario. But dude. C'mon now. You're just putting words in my mouth and doing fattyflatty and GRUhorn's work for them to put words in my mouth. I had figured you'd be better than that.

I would not classify a chain link fence as a "barrier" concerning cars. A car blows right through that sucker, just ask Deer Park. I'm not talking about how your organization does things. I'm pointing out that the standard is officially "every shop sets their own safety standards". I cited the correspondence and official guidance up thread. The result of that is that there WILL be operators that cut corners to save costs, because the risks are SOOOOO small anyways right? IDK, I just don't have alot of sympathy for arguments that its too expensive when they made two and a half billion off of Texans freezing to death in 2021. It's not a matter of funds. It's a matter of not giving a shit and thinking "good enough is good enough because we've always done it this way"

Nobody is saying every station everywhere should have bollards. Stop repeating this mischaracterization. If a valve is next to a 4 lane road and between neighborhoods, maybe there should be more than a chain link fence at that specific site?

I've never been in a car crash while I'm driving. I guess I don't need my seatbelt then because it doens't actually solve a problem and isn't a good use of my time to click and unclick every time I get in the car.

So yes, you both think installing bollards in response to the surrounding area changing and becoming more residential is an overreacton? I don't think chain link fence meets the regulatory minimum of: Section 192.317(b) Each aboveground transmission line or main, not located offshore or in inland navigable water areas, must be protected from accidental damage by vehicular traffic or other similar causes, either by being placed at a safe distance from the traffic or by installing barricades. Because it seems pretty empirically obvious that their chain link fence 100ft from the road did not protect from accidental damage from vehicular traffic. Miss me with the slipperly slope argument taking it to the absurd for aircraft strikes - and candidly, a chainlink fence would probably be enough to stop a bike. Even moreso if there were bollards present to help catch the fence and act like a net. It's genuinely shocking to see so many O&G folks recoil at the idea of proactive risk reduction measures in the face of a giant pipeline cooking a neighborhood in Houston for days on end.