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  1. 1 minute ago, JBJ said:

    I'm on A.  I don't think you and I will hold the same preferences surrounding that point.  Are you okay with using tear gas to disperse a crowd who set a fire in the vestibule of a federal court?

    @Huckleberry.  Thanks for answering, but wrong.  I've already given the answer as far as the first page of a few google searches tells me.

    Please post your sources here so we have the same information for this discussion. 

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  2. 10 minutes ago, justhookit said:

    I said we are very, very close to being back to square one meaning bars are closed, beaches are closed to vehicles, etc. We are basically back to stage 1 of reopening and about all that is left is another stay at home order. This is definitely our state’s first outbreak. What’s your optimism for things being good after September? Mid to late fall is when I expect a clusterfuck again.

    It's been fascinating how much the 1918 pandemic's trajectory has mirrored our own. If that trend holds true, the fall/winter is going to be very very very bad.

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  3. Lol, my feelings aren't hurt - you're shit slinging and trying your bestest to derail the thread. Which is funny considering you fancy yourself a thread mallcop, CTJ style.

    You're not even reading posts and just attacking people directly. But keep at it, I'm sure you'll work yourself up to another timeout soon enough champ

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  4. 1 hour ago, JBJ said:

    I know the answer, but I asked the question knowing full well that no one spouting talking points would be able or willing to answer.

    How many times have protesters set fires at Portland's federal buildings this month? 

    If you can't answer that, or guess plus or minus 2 fires, you really shouldn't trust your judgement on this topic.

    can you link me to the news/fact source you're using on setting federal buildings on fire? I haven't heard anything about that aside from unsubstantiated claims on twitter and message boards.

  5. Just now, stone oak said:

    fLaTtEn ThE cUrVe

    It's exactly what happened over the course of May. And none of the relevant decision makers have changed their stance or rhetoric about reopening, so it seems rational to anticipate the same decision making process again. Not sure why you feel the need to be so shitty about every thing. 

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  6. 3 minutes ago, Hate said:

    It was obvious sarcasm pointing out that no posters were criticizing the governments that were vocally encouraging people to protests in the middle of a pandemic.  Why not?  Was it not just as dangerous to the public at large to encourage or at the very least condone "risky" behavior in the middle of the pandemic.  I'm also not suggesting that the protest are singularly to blame with the latest surge as it also coincides with the "opening up" timeline.  I agree that the reason people were protesting for police reform is a just cause, but it's easy to understand frustrations when other people are being shouted down and belittled for protesting what they believe is right.  Just be consistent.  The "muh rights" shtick in beyond old especially when there are plenty of examples of people who are obviously not in the "Maga" camp exhibiting the same behaviors.  

    Yes, yes, both sides equivocation. We're all very familiar with the schitck. It was totally NOT a partisan wedge issue for a few months on if wearing a mask was a good thing to do or not, right? Something that is strictly a health issue broadly recommended, but was actively rolled back by our governor and ignored by the president? Fuck that noise that it isn't exclusively one base of people pushing not wearing a mask because they "can't breathe" or their religious beliefs or whatever horse shit to follow their leader. 

    If what you believe is right, is putting others health at risk, then you just may be a piece of shit. 2nd person - you, of course, not YOU 

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  7. 13 minutes ago, Hate said:

    And then I remember when you were criticizing local governments for encouraging protests. 

     

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    let me reiterate for those of you who undoubtedly will see this as an attack on the protests...I am not saying that the events that led to the protests should not have been protested.  I am merely pointing out that the timing of the protests during a pandemic was poor and posters and government officials criticizing people who went to bars and restaurants during that same time are hypocrites.

     

    [Citation needed] because I really don't recall what you're talking about

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  8. 4 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

    Not going to go through the entire thread so I apologize if this has been covered.  I am sure it has been pointed out that getting real and accurate data on covid is pretty difficult.  So there are 2 parts to my post.

    1) School's Opening- People are just tearing into politicians about re-opening schools and it just seems completely political at this point.  Not a left or right thing, but both sides are total hypocrites when it comes to "trusting the science".  The CDC, in the latest update I can find which was July 10, is now estimating that the covid infection fatality rate is .68%.  Pretty low number.  Further, the CDC acknowledges that older people with preexisting issues skew the number higher and that younger people most likely have a covid infection fatality rate of less than .3%.  Obviously, the rate is not zero but it will never be zero even with Covid gone.  If a parent is overly concerned that their child might be the unlucky .3% then, by all means, they should keep their child at home.  But the vast majority of people will send their kids to school with a fatality rate of just .3%.  If we are truly to believe the science, then why would we close elementary and high schools?  I understand the possible impact on teachers and staff and do not have an issue with any teacher/staff that is over 60 or has any underlying medical issues being given time off, with full pay, if they choose.  But 90% of the school staff can safely return to work.  And by safely, I mean they aren't going to die.  The may get sick but people miss work for sickness everyday.

    2) News Coverage- Please do not turn this into a fox/cnn/msnbc/breitbart whatever debate.  It is not that.  It is just simply amazing that the reporting is so varied.  I am saying all news agencies want to create sensational headlines to get eyes and they all manipulate the data to that end.  As an example, I went to one prominent news site and the headline was (paraphrase) Miami-Dade ICU beds over 130% due to Covid.  Sounded horrible so I read the article and then clicked on the link they were relying on for their data.  It was to Florida's covid dashboard. Nowhere on the link, that I could find, was there anything, at all, that backed up their claim.  It was worthless.  I did another search and found a headline that read "Florida cases go up but hospitalizations remain steady".  Sounded better and I did the same thing by clicking on their link.  Their link went to the AHCA Emergency Status System, which I am sure the doctors will attest is a much, much more reliable figure.  They show Miami-Dade at 85% capacity and, essentially, unchanged from a month ago.  Further, they say the ICU capacity is typically at 90% and since they started elective surgeries again, a large percentage of the current ICU patients have no connection to Covid.  

    It is just getting really, really, hard to get accurate information from news sites.

    It's been exceptionally difficult to get accurate and up to date data on COVID, Trump took the CDC public data down and it is no longer available. And his administration made no effort to aggregate data from local sources into a single public resource. That's literally the job of the FEDERAL government - to bind together states and use their collective resources and info to better the whole of all the states. 

    And onto your points:

    1) At a .68% fatality rate, COVID sounds pretty mild right? Let's break the numbers down. There were about 5.4 Million students in Texas. Assuming a 15% positive COVID test rate (per John's Hopkins data for Texas) that's 810,000 kids with COVID. At a .68% fatality rate, that's 5,508 children dead to COVID in just Texas. It's not that it's being risk adverse, it's that if every school district was virtually guaranteed to have at least one child die to COVID (only 1227 districts in TX), you're not going to get many parents to trust schools with their children's health and safety. Five thousand dead kids just so parents can get free day care. We shouldn't be choosing dead children.

    2) I actually agree with you on news coverage, there's too much noise and not enough information. But the solution to this isn't less noise, it's more information. And as I mentioned prior, there's only one group with the ability, tools, and power to collect and disseminate that information. Hell, states have been actively manipulating numbers to make them appear better than they are. The president did it just yesterday in his Chris Wallace interview, and even had a misleading chart printed to show it handy. 

    I'd fucking LOVE to have more information and hard data on COVID. But those with the ability to provide it have made no bones about their position to do so.

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  9. 12 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

    It doesn’t challenge my world view. Hell I probably agree with you. But it clutters up a space not designed for that particularly getting news about Covid. I haven’t gone to Covid thread much at all in last 2 months. Keep it to CR. You know you’re doing this to get a wider audience. All you’re doing is pissing people off and half of those people are in turn trying to piss you off. 

    TIL that DT on Surly is a news aggregation site, and NOT a discussion board for current events. It's funny that you stopped posting in the COVID thread once it became unavoidable to admit that COVID-19 is a deadly global pandemic and that our state and federal decision makers actively intensified the pandemic with their policy decisions and direct action against testing, contact tracing, and proactive measures like facemask orders. 

    It is not political to point to those decisions, and the current posture of those who decide for us all, and say "hey it looks like we're fucked and here's why". This isn't about abortions or guns or investigations. This is that my dad in a nursing home has a high likelihood of dying in his nursing home in his 60's  - and not from Parkinson's disease. This is about that we don't have ANY MOTHERFUCKING SPORTS OR ANY SEMBLANCE OF NORMAL LIFE. And yet for you, it's upsetting to state things as they are and we should act like everything is great because we're Americans. And it's political to be discontent and directly attribute our current state to the steps that brought us here. 

    Please let me know if I'm off base, but that's how it's coming across to me.

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  10. 2 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

    All of that is fine. Confined to CR. I do not care to hear about it elsewhere. Why on earth do you think anyone gives a fuck about your opinions outside of there?  Why?  

    Fuck you, I'm going to talk about our state and federal government making my family less safe and secure due to their direct action and policy decisions wrt/ COVID and secret police actions. It's a current event. I'm not bringing politics into it in DT, I'm just calling a spade a spade.

    Sorry that the world is so unpleasant that it's directly challenged your world view just by reciting the facts. 

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