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  1. The irony is that NIL may be OU football's undoing. This is because the Sooners don't have the big money donor that other schools (Oregon, Michigan, Texas) have or a fan base that will chip in relatively small dollar amounts.
  2. If Williams leaves (likely at this point) and they don't get a top portal QB, I think it's LIKELY that OU loses 3-5 games next year. Right now, I think it's just as likely that Dillon Gabriel starts for OU in Sep 2022 as it is that Williams does. Two years from now is so far away (what conference are we in?, is Arch Manning in Austin or Norman?, is Sark still at UT?), that predictions are fraught.
  3. Yeah, I'm genuinely interested to see how he does. I'll be watching a lot more of SC. I won't be rooting for or against the Trojans. I'll more be looking to see how he grows (he's young enough that I think he will), and to think about how that would've projected to OU. I do think he has a very high ceiling there, higher than what I interpret your comments to indicate. With NIL and bagmen plus a glamorous location, I think he'll be a top recruiter. I'd love to see OU and SC play. The Trojans are amongst the few schools OU's played more than once against whom OU has a losing record (ND, Miami, Clemson, BYU?, Northwestern?, and of course Texas). OU has out of conference games against current SEC schools in 2023, 2024, 2027, and 2028. I may even go to a game in Norman or, more likely, LA, if that happens. The fiery intensity of games between the Trojans and OU with Riley on the sideline would be EPIC.
  4. This absolutism creates a false frame of reference. ---------------------------------------------------------------- You can, as I did above, point out Riley's successes and how he disappointed. Similarly, Stoops pulled OU out of its worst decade since WWII, but he also rehired his brother and brought in unqualified friends as coaches. The nepotism had costs. Stoops also made the good decision to bring in Riley, but Bob would never get rid of Mike, even though it was obvious Mike was incapable of communicating with players. All are simultaneously true.
  5. Yeah, he keeps saying "i'd like to stay" instead of just saying I'M STAYING.
  6. Speaking only for myself, I understand Riley leaving. The SC job is desirable. The "just came together" lie is frustrating because he's obviously lying to us. Why? I understand that fans of other teams dehumanize rival fans and I did so myself in the past. It doesn't hurt me, but the coarsening of discourse is not productive to our society. Consider cutting back on it. I didn't want Venables gone the first time. Advanced stats recognized his defenses were still good despite his DL coach doing no recruiting or coaching. I open-minded about the potential for a Venables-OU. His early hires haven't been the best, but fandom is about ups and downs.
  7. You didn't read me saying he's overrated. All of the following are true: Riley's an excellent offensive coach. You mentioned several of his achievements. He transformed OU's recruiting. Riley's offense this year grossly underachieved. Riley had met his ceiling at OU. - ESPN stat: Since Riley's arrival at OU, the Sooners have lost all of their playoff games (0-4) by 20, 6 (OT), 11 (not that close), and 35 points. OU's won all of their non-playoff bowls (Sugar by 16, Cotton by 35, Alamo by 15). - His inability to punish soft zone defenses was incredibly frustrating. Neither Rattler nor Williams had tight timing and placement needed to beat these defenses. - His best defense at OU was during the Covid season, and the performance of that defense was inflated because they really didn't one excellent offense. - The OL regressed since 2017. That's the year Schmidt left for A&M. We're going to learn if this is correlation or causation. Venables was a good (maybe not great) hire at OU. Venables could improve OU overall as team even with some regression in the offense. This is because even his WORST defenses at OU were better than any Grinch defenses at OU. This is why OU fans are excited.
  8. Only 2-3 targets last night though. He's been non-committal about portal plans. I think he's gone.
  9. Y'all bring up takes with such insight as "your dumb" and "I don't like your facts." I take it back to portal talk. If you don't want to talk about it, tell your friends.
  10. Holding is better if your fingers are skinnier.
  11. Please see above RE: scheme. Now back to portal talk! RE: WR portaling. I agree, and I even mentioned in the post you quoted that they may have an exodus of WR even if Williams stays. Quoting myself: "The biggest losses would be from the WR group. Woods has said he's coming back, but Mims has been non-committal, and Mario Williams could leave too. OU would be need a big name portal QB to be considered a good spot for portal WR." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: rebuild. Williams staying or going and who replaces him is the key variable. If Williams stays, OU should be a top 10 team next year. If Williams goes, but OU gets Dillon Gabriel, then the Sooners may still be a top 10 team. If Williams goes and the WR room clears out because OU's starting a freshman, then OU's going to obviously regress. Even in worst case, I think OU's going to still going to be okay (8-9 wins pre-bowl), because the floor is high. Details below. Offense - Woods, Mims, and Mario Williams are the only WR I care about right now. Woods has said he's staying for a 6th year (Covid year). Wease has to show me more before I'd get to worked up if he leaves. The RB room will probably be better (they must block better though). The OL should be better because of conditioning alone. Defense - The DL being a mess was anticipated and confirmed last night. They're recruiting HS and portal guys right now. The LB are probably okay but could be hit by portal losses. Venables history as a LB guru may prevent an exodus here. The DB room could see a bunch of people portal. They have talent here that has been poorly coached and deployed. If the new hire is Jay Valai, as feared, this could be bad. If it is Steve Clinkscale, as hoped by me, this could be a huge upgrade.
  12. You may not be as exasperated if you actually read what I wrote. I didn't say Riley was holding them back. Please see below where I spell it out, again. @Pato del Muerto If Williams doesn't come back, I agree with you that OU's offense is likely worse next year. If Williams does return, I think OU's offense will likely be better next year. OL was not good. Just getting the OL to not be fat would be a big start. The RB and WR will likely be better. The Briles scheme is certainly simpler than Riley's. You may not like it, but QB growth is greatest from starter year 1 to year 2. I will take a Venables defense over a Grinch defense every day. Brent's defenses in Norman and at Clemson give you an almost 20 year history of why. I agree with you about bowl games being meaningless, especially OU's last two vs Oregon and Florida. That's why I didn't reference the bowl AT ALL in my post. OU should've beaten the Ducks much worse last night. The Sooner DL was mush vs the run and pass. OU's most consistent CB was torched multiple times. The OL looked even more out of shape. The positives I did take from it were that Williams was more willing to check down and was more on time with his throws. OU still didn't get Mims very involved, but one of the freshman WR (Farooq) looked OK.
  13. First, based on what people in Norman are saying, I'll be surprised if Williams comes back. OU should be tampering the hell out of Dillon Gabriel. I've asked you all for other serious ideas as to where he'll go, and the options you've presented illustrate the point that staying at OU makes a lot of sense for Williams. There are about 120 schools he could transfer to and start immediately. But only about 2-3 that make sense for him. This is because the other teams are significantly worse that OU or have unstable coaching situations. If he goes to somewhere other than ND, Wisconsin, or I guess Ole Miss (is Kiffin stable anywhere, ever?), it will be a big departure for a family that, heretofore, has made logical, calculated decisions. If there ever was a plug and play new head coach and staff, this is just about as close as it gets. The offensive coaches (though I don't like all of the hires) are all from OU or OU alums. Venables history at OU is known, and the new coaches on defense it appears will all have ties to OU. Even if Venables is terrible, OU isn't going to fire him soon. No doubt that OU underachieved this year, but they still finished 11-2 and will have about 7 starters returning on both sides of the ball at present. If Williams comes back, that number could go up to 9 on offense (only losses Hayes-OG, Hall-FB). Based on several factors, Williams returning next year will mean OU's offense next year will be significantly better: - Simpler scheme - OL that keeps 4/5 starters and won't be ridiculously fat - Williams own year 1 to year 2 improvement - Better RB (Brooks, surprisingly, may stay; but they'll get 1-2 top 10 RB coming in for the 2022 class regardless; they worked on RB pass game a little for the bowl game so maybe they'll work on blitz pick up for next yr?) - WR only loses Hazelwood, who wasn't good at OU. Simmons didn't develop the room. Gundy will get a chance to see if he can coach them up. There is scuttlebutt that there is about to be some massive portaling from OU. Just looking at the depth chart, I'd imaging there will be some high upside DBs in the portal. Some above average LB could also look to move. OU is left with bread on the DL, and could lose 1-2 there too. On offense, they could push out a couple of non-factor OL out from an already depleted OL room. The biggest losses would be from the WR group. Woods has said he's coming back, but Mims has been non-committal, and Mario Williams could leave too. OU would be need a big name portal QB to be considered a good spot for portal WR.
  14. Thank you for the biting comment doctor. I was hoping that @Gil Bang would educate me. But so far, all I've learned is that stupid is a synonym for idiot. Admittedly, I watched only part of two USC games all year, Stanford (I think) and ND. Maybe Gil can explain why SC's lines are good, because they didn't look great vs those teams and the numbers aren't great and they had 3 Sr OL. What am I missing?
  15. USC's coach is the one who told them that he'd be in Norman. The Williams family was moving from DC to OK. That coach screwed up the family's plans. Why would they rejoin him? Spencer Rattler was benched by this coach, and then the coach bolted. Why would Rattler rejoin a coach that had shown that he didn't have faith in him? Plus the USC OL is traaassh. The team will sort of suck for a couple of years until the OL and DL get sorted out.
  16. I agree, especially in retrospect. Rattler's regression from Fr to So, Riley sticking with him as long as he did really crippled OU's season. That and poor OL conditioning are really in inexplicable looking at things now.
  17. So you said that incumbency would dissuade him from Maryland, USC, Texas, Ohio St--which, grouping Ohio St with those other 3 programs is loony. The reports about him willing to walk on came preseason and his confidence in starting during the season was also noted by teammates prior to the UT game. There were reports from the OU fall practice that he was better than Rattler. But, you don't have to believe it.
  18. I'll just leave this here. Seems like there will be few consequences for the adults, making it likely that things like this will continue.
  19. Chandler Morris will compete. Casey Thompson was crystal balled there too so who knows.
  20. I humored you about UT as a potential portal landing spot for Williams, but my dude -- you think he's going to a 5-7 team? He beat KU by himself this year. I think UT fans were cheering for him to come in the game. So I guess you fucked around and found out. Srsly, the guys a baller and if UT fans don't know it -- good luck.
  21. Bookie was their starting Nickel. Gotta get him 🤣🤪🤣
  22. There's a karma thing here too. Again, would make Red River super spicy.
  23. The big difference is Kelly WANTED his staff to come with him--Freeman definitely, and I think Rees and others, have said so much. Plus look at who Kelly's getting: NFL DC (who has SEC coaching experience) and Kerry Cooks, who was a negative recruiter and developer at OU then went to Texas Tech then could only get an analyst job back at ND. I don't think they have offensive coaches yet. Uh, Williams definitely came to OU to start as frosh. He also told Riley that he'd walk on and earn a scholarship at OU when OU'd already taken a commitment from another 2021 QB (Brock Vadergriff, who ended up at Georgia). The guy isn't afraid of competition.
  24. LOL the powerpoint for this --- gotta see this
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