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  1. I'd love to see what he can do with Caleb Williams, Marvin Mims, Mario Williams, and Gavin Sawchuk.
  2. I think OU'd take Brady as a head coach.
  3. Doubt he comes back to college, but Venables + Brady > Riley.
  4. Would you agree that it's different putting someone else in a subordinate role versus you, yourself, taking a subordinate role?
  5. LOLOLOLOLOL comparing Sark's management capacity to Saban
  6. Yeah, my bad. I was listening to your comrades discuss Patterson becoming DC or de facto DC. Regardless, you'll have a 60 year old guy in the building who's well known to be a control freak as head coach now having to keep his emotions and opinions in check. No problems there.
  7. So I think we agree. OU was NOT getting amazing recruits during Venables last few years. Yet OU still had really good defenses during that time.
  8. Apples to oranges. We'll learn whether Venables can lead a program as a head coach. He's proven he can be a DC. We'll learn whether Patterson can subjugate his ego to be a DC after being a head coach for decades.
  9. Nothing about this is right. Mike was fired at Arizona. Mike was brought back to be CO-DC with Venables, again. But everyone knew Venables would leave in that situation. Venables fielding top defenses without Mike for 7 years + Mike fielding worse defense in a worse conference was enough to know that this was a bad trade.
  10. I wasn't one of those. Mike coming back after a meh-at-best tenure at Arizona looked terrible to me. Who, other than his brother, would've hired him over Venables?
  11. Agree, especially on the offensive side. Nope: Alabama offense Year National F+ rank (average of SP+ and FEI) 2018 2 2019 2 2020 1 2021 3 I hope you're right, but about 125 schools will welcome Williams coming to them. Please see above, but OU's defensive recruiting tailed off after 2008 season. DL coach Jackie Shipp apparently never left his office, and the DB coach, whose name I can't remember never got another coaching job. Venables still recruited LBs well and got a couple of others, but in general, he was doing more with less at the end of his OU run. Agree with your other points. He is a really good recruiter, but it remains to be seen if part of his good recruiting at Clemson was bag-related. Lebby should be a plus as a recruiter, and a coach. But this'll be his biggest gig so far also. I'm a little surprised OU would take him back, tbh.
  12. You're right. OU's defense won't have the same talent as Clemson's in 2022. It's also true that OU's defense wasn't all that talented near the end of Venables tenure as as OU's DC. At that time, the DL coach had stopped recruiting and the DB was coach's greatest qualification was being Stoops golfing buddy. Here's how Venables last 3 defense at OU fared (prior defenses were as good or better): Year National F+ rank (average of SP+ and FEI) 2009 2 2010 13 2011 9 This was back when we'd see defensive guys in the program be total zeros for 3-4 years and suddenly become all-conference players in their Jr or Sr season. I look forward to seeing this type of development again. OU's defensive production has continued to lag behind its recruiting rankings. The one position group that's shown development, the DL, is hopefully going to keep it's position coaches Thibs and Cain. The LBs have underperformed. Odom was well-regarded coming from Missouri and is an Oklahoma native who played at OU for a year. He's recruited pretty well. I don't know if he stays because Venables is an OUTSTANDING LB coach, and I'm sure will have thoughts. The area I'm really looking for improvement is in the DB unit. There is a lot of talent (based on the star rankings) and a lot of interesting body types. The baffling, bipolar decisions OU made allotting playing time frustrated many fans including me. Pat Fields seems like a great guy, but think of him as Blake Gideon wearing a different uniform. Fields played more snaps than any other OU defender. Overall, I think Venables track record at OU and Clemson more strongly predict success for OU's defense than Sark's prior record did for the UT offense.
  13. Acknowledging a mistake and trying to correct it is a skill, not a weakness. BTW, not everyone was frustrated with Venables and wanted Mike Stoops when that went down. I, for one, felt it was a mistake. Venable's last few defenses at OU were still really good when looking at fancy stats (top 10). They'd gotten torched a few times by NFL-level QB and WR but everyone in the Big12 was subjected to that during that era. During Venables last few years at OU, the DL coach, Shipp, had basically stopped recruiting. Shipp needed to be replaced, but that was more on Stoops than Venables. Safety play was worse, but again, Stoops was hiring his cronies at that time. Venables has shown he can coach LB at an elite level. He's shown he can recruit at an elite level when he has a bag game to support him. Can he run a program? We're going to find out.
  14. Yes, I think similar -- both OU and UT play at the edges, like Michigan, ND. None of these schools throw around the big numbers like SEC + Oregon + Ohio St + Clemson (? others). At OU, you see evidence of this by the Sooners either having players committed or strong leans and then one of the bag schools that doesn't have a prior relationship with the player swooping in late. There are many examples over the last few classes. I think UT's investment into NIL will start to separate the Horns from OU. I don't think Oklahoma has the resources or the temperament to make that sort of play. Riley was annoyed with OU's compliance department's vigilance. NIL will make the chasm between OU and the other schools bigger. The OU administration will likely be hiring coaches who are coming from schools that play the bag game (Lanning-UGa, Venables-Clemson, Lebby-Ole Miss). The AD/president know this. The new hires know the landscape nationally and at OU. If the parties acknowledge these factors and want to win at OU, I think there may be some loosening of the rules in Norman.
  15. I agree with this too, but do you think Fickell would come to OU? I'm not sure he'd really consider it based on his current situation and with Cincy going to the Big12.
  16. I agree with this, unless OU allows Venables/Lebby to use the bag game that Clemson/Ole Miss have employed. No way OU'd ever take Kiffin. I'm actually surprised Lebby is accepted.
  17. What happens if he picks OU after Williams goes to USC?
  18. Internet message board chatter has it that she's been important to the improved recruiting. Do you think this is true? Her position seems like one where competence, organization, and good people skills are needed. Those qualities are important, but not impossible to find.
  19. He also just hired a WR coach from Mississippi State. Riley's known this guy from two prior stops. This hiring your friends preference that Riley showed at OU and now USC is amongst is most concerning qualities. It's one thing to have a couple of trusted, competent people around you. But hiring a staff filled with buddies speaks to insecurity. Plus it's unlikely this dude's the best WR coach available, and USC should be able to get the best WR coach available with the money and cachet that job should have.
  20. NIL is probably a place where OU falls behind other schools. There are a lot of OU fans who feel that Sooner players need OU more than OU needs them. They believe that state pride and Sooner Magic are real motivators. They also resent of 18 year old making 6 figures to play a game in college.
  21. Apparently, you cannot pay for performance. What happens if your starting RG gets hurt or replaced. What happens if your developmental QB gets homesick?
  22. This is right. Supposed to be a great guy. They kept talking about him re-shaping his body...now he'll get a chance to do it somewhere else. Hope he goes somewhere and does great.
  23. OU'd also do well with Campbell or Fickell. I could see Stoops trying to recruit Fickell (defensive coach, Ohio guy) to Oklahoma. If either of these is the end result, I wouldn't miss Riley too much. Venables to OU sounds too simple. I think that would be a back up plan.
  24. I would've been happy with Marcus Freeman at OU, pending OC hire. He's going to recruit like crazy and run good defense. Sounds like the early Stoops era.
  25. Is this known? Could Riley bring in Manning at a NON-DB coaching position? Idiotic of Riley to let Williams go. I'd love Williams at OU, but I bet he may get a DC job somewhere.
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