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Moving vans in Norman are going to be in short supply in the next couple of months. Book now.

Recruiting porn for Texas fans .

There's apparently something in Venables past that eliminates him from being a head coach at a top school. People have brought it up since he was a successful DC at OU. I think he'd be a reasonable choice for OU, if he'd take the job now. I doubt he'd want it actually.

I fully supported Mixon getting kicked off the team and off scholarship. Had that happened, he would've transferred to another school, sat out a year and played two. OU made him sit out a year, gave him a zero tolerance policy, and he played two. Stoops had a good (not perfect), track record of giving players second chances, holding them accountable, and getting growth from the player and production on the field. Kelly seems like a terrible person to work for.

Nah, corruption isn't the issue. Leaders don't go apeshit on their own team.

First, I view you as a really good poster who I enjoy reading. If you're associated with the advancedstats.com, thank you. I enjoy that site. However, I find your opinion about Riley's head coaching tenure at OU devoid of context. Tagging Riley for losses in 2017-2019, ignores the fact that OU averaged 37 pts in their six losses over those three years. Riley was saddled with Mike Stoops for 1.5 years. After the clownshow that was the OU defense in 2017, it was surprising to see Stoop get a second year, and I feel it's reasonable to blame him for the bad defense in all of 2018. In 2020-2021, OU's offense has suffered from worse QB play AND much worse OL play. OU's OL recruiting based on star talent has been good (not great), but development of the unit has been poor. I'd be surprised if Riley takes Bedenbaugh with him to SC despite their long relationship (back to Texas Tech). In addition, OU hasn't really had elite RB or WR talent in the last couple of years. The Sooners have been mock here for having RB recruits poached at the 11th hour (Bama'd). WR recruiting has had boom-bust years. Mostly, it's the OL though. Rattler had elite tools, but a terrible attitude. Same could be said of Kyle Murray, but Murray apparently worked like a beast. Rattler didn't. Caleb Williams didn't play in an elite conference in DC and lost his senior year to Covid shutdown (not complaining). His development from the Baylor to Ok St was remarkable. I think he'd have done really well next year and beyond with Riley. Who knows? He may still. The OL + young QB issues = OU's offensive struggles this year. I, for one, was clamoring for a change in OU's OL coach this off season. Sherrone Moore (Michigan) is an excellent recruiter who played OL at OU and who's done well with the Wolverine's OL this year. He'll be a hot name in the next few years. OU's defensive woes were starting to get sorted out. OU's defensive success in 2020 was overvalued based on the Sooners not really facing any good throwing QBs. K-St and UT were the two best and they put up 38 and 31 vs OU. FL was great, but checked out by the bowl game. The Sooner defense got credit in the stats for shutting down an elite Gator offense that didn't have most of their best players. This year was the first that OU's improved defensive recruiting (and teaching) was starting to really pay dividends. It would've been interesting to see what happened next with more years of this group bring in and coaching up better players. The proof's in the pudding. This would've been a pivotal offseason for Riley had he stated at OU. Would he have cut Bedenbaugh? Would he have cut Dennis Simmons (WR coach) with consecutive subpar WR years? We'll see how his staff at SC fills out. I have a feeling he'll have a big staff (? and player) recruiting budget.

Congrats on the win yesterday, firstly. He's 38 and has lived in the CST for most of his life. I haven't lived in OK since the 80s. May he and his wife did just want to get out of OK? He'll go through a 2-3 rebuilding years, but he'll be able to build a monster there.

Nothing against you, but that may be the final straw for my OU fandom. Kelly's sideline behavior portends really poor behavior behind closed doors.

As an OU fan, this would be a great get.

Yes, terrible offense. Could only win 10 games. Do. Not. Want.

Yes, he did, because the freshman QB holds the ball too long and takes too many sacks, but most of those were coverage sacks. The OU offense improved so much throughout this year to get to the point it did today. Williams in particular was better with decision-making. OU still needs WR who will get to windows vs zone defense and sit.

11 4th or 5th year players. When does that happened? Anyway... next year will be the test to see if he can sustain success with a new batch of players.

Ok St has had the 79th and 46th best defenses during Knowles first 2 years. Last year they were 14th and this year 2nd. This defense starts ALL 4th and 5th year players. If you'd like to have a great defense every 3-4 years, this guy's your dude.

I think that's given regardless of OU's performance.

I laugh at OU fans who think this. Please go listen to the Saban rant. It applies here too. In fancy stats (FEI, FPI efficiency rankings, etc), in this DOWN year, OU's offense is top ten. It will rise a little after tonight too. OU's program is in much better shape going into 2022 than in 2017. The defense will be better in 2022 because of better talent across the board. The offense will be better because of better RB. Need to get some WR from the portal, and need OG from 2020 and 2021 classes to show out next year.

FIFY

Waiting for the post-game fight, which definitely would've happened had Ohio St coaches not shoved players into the locker room.

Great that you don't defend yourself, but you do have beautiful what-aboutism.

Their RB room is stacked, but they've had injuries, as others have pointed out. Do you think O'Brien's going to be there very long?

Nah, you've just lost good posters so the thoughtful / ridiculous ratio has worsened. Anyway, your post was disgusting and demeaning so way to level up.

All the guy did was move to OU and create an offense that's really fun and effective. Then he got the head coaching job and has won the conference title every year so far (and is within two games of doing it again), while beating his school's leading rivals 9 out of 10 times, going 14-4 vs top 25, 7-3 vs top 10, 21-6 in one possession games, and 55-9 overall. His recruiting is just now approaching the Clemson/Ga/Bama/Ohio St level, despite OU not being fully in the bag game like those others schools (see the Sooners lack of interest from players who want the full bag). This year his offense is down. "Down" means FEI rank 16th, FPI efficiency ranking 8th, yards/play 8th. He's finally got a defensive coordinator who isn't a jerk, and the defense has improve from trash fire to competent and will probably be better in the coming years based on recruiting alone. Who are the other coaches with comparable/better national championship odds? Active coaches with national championships: Saban: GOAT, but old, not leaving Bama (except if Texas opens). Corch O: CEO coach whose offense sucks without transcendent skill position talent. LSU just fired him. Dabo: CEO head coach whose offense sucks this year without transcendent skill position talent. Not leaving Clemson. Jimbo: Surprisingly only 56, but looks terrible. Has more guaranteed money than any other coach in America, college or pro, in any sport (I think). One natl championship at FSU and then the program cratered. Best seasons at A&M was last year when he lost to Bama by 4 TDs and this year when he's lost 3 times. Seems to need to cheat to recruit. Mack Brown: Yes, LSU should hire Mack Brown. Coaches without a national championship but look like they could win one: Ryan Day: Young, 42 (Riley's 38), but not leaving Ohio St. He's #1 on the list to be next NEW national championship winning coach based on the based of operations and his performance. Brian Kelly: Old, looks even older. ND was thought to be his dream job so not leaving. Based on his sideline demeanor, you'd be hiring @closetojumping with good scheme knowledge. His defensive coordinator, Marcus Freeman, may be the best coach on the staff. James Franklin: Good recruiter of players and staff. 1-5 vs Ohio St but most of those losses were close. Nicknamed Frames Jacklin because of his boggling in game decision making. Compare his record at Penn St, 67–32, to Riley's. Mario Cristobol: Good recruiter of players and staff but may need Nike $ to do it. Despite the PAC12 being WAY DOWN, he's only won one conference title. He ascended to HC job at Oregon the same year Riley did at OU. Compare 34–12 his record to Riley's. The only coaches that have more proven quality then Riley who aren't fossils are Dabo, Jimbo, and Day. I'd take Riley over Dabo and Jimbo regardless, but none of these three are moving anyway. Who else are you thinking?

I agree that LSU's hire will feel underwhelming unless they get Riley (or an NFL guy?) at this point, but I don't think OU'd let him leave without a fight. I don't think LSU (or USC or UF) gets Riley from OU simply by outbidding the Sooners. OU knows that having Riley when they move to the SEC is their surest path to avoiding becoming Arkansas, and that's worth a lot. Coming from the other direction, by all accounts, Riley values the stability that OU's administration offers him. This stability is stands in contrast the clownshow that is the LSU administration, which had the University running a deficit recently and currently has basketball recruiting scandal and a football Title 9 scandal. To me, Riley leaving would mean that he really doesn't think he can win a national championship at OU, which may be the case. I may know that OU's administration won't be fully in the bag game (a la A&M, Georgia, Bama, Ohio St, and LSU), or feel that OU's lack of natural recruiting advantages will cripple the program with the change in conference. Because the OU admin ALSO knows these factors are out there, I bet they'd even OVERpay to keep him.

Cultures like this are at least tacitly tolerated. Frequently, they're quietly abetted. Occasionally, leadership participates in their initiation and propagation.

Saban doesn't understand what a democracy is, but the point is well taken. Trust and value are earned every day, not just during the games.

I don't think OU or Ohio St wanted him. He apparently had a disappointing year.