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Serious question that sounds unserious. If Biden stepped down and The Rock announced his candidacy as a Democrat with full backing of the Democratic machine, a solid Gretchen as VP, and the proper endorsements, does he win? Mike 👨‍⚖️ is a prophet.

You are 100% right. I absolutely am dealing with perception and not facts. Unfortunately, most of the voting population votes based upon perception and not facts. You know Biden is a better choice. I know he’s a better choice. All the people in the US that learn by sound bites and TikTok headlines vote by perception. And right now, a lot of people want to pick crazy over perceived mental decline.

See? This is why it’s hard to take you seriously. Old? Potentially serious mental decline is not “old”.

You want to beat Trump? There’s a rock solid solution. Replace Biden with Niki Haley. JK. Kinda. Not really. She would actually win. JK.

They do it all the time. It’s the same group of 10-20 similarly minded people who just all start bashing on any viewpoint that isn’t 100% positive pro progressive Democratic viewpoints. It’s a bunch of bright people that have no idea they are just as biased and closed minded as all the people they complain about. Been going on for years. Irony.

Either I’m misunderstanding your post, or your take is completely wrong. Myself and most of my friends are independents. We/I pretty much decide most elections. As I posted earlier, that debate caused several people to go from a firm plan to vote Biden to either no voting, voting libertarian or voting Trump. I tell everyone at every opportunity that I’ll vote for a rotting corpse over Trump, but there aren’t enough independents like me. That debate performance was that bad. Correct. But there aren’t enough of us after that debate.

I just think about all of the things the Democrats could have done, and didn’t do, ensure the current situation didn’t happen. They should have been pounding a message campaign for the last year+ about all of Trumps failures, misdeeds, convictions, etc. The list is so long I can’t even remember them all myself. Hammer it over and over and over. Just like the Republicans do on their topics, like immigration. They barely talk about all of his eff ups. They could have been grooming 1-2 really strong candidates publicly to take over for Biden. Everyone has known for 2-3 years that he’s too old. They could have been giving those 1-2 people some visibility to position them for the next election. Instead they worried too much about undercutting Biden’s authority.

This case is about a government being able to clear tents off the street. It has nothing to do with humanity and compassion over homeless people or how to solve homelessness. You are the ones projecting.

Actually, you are overgeneralizing the argument with this response. No one is talking about having to have $1M in cash. No one is talking about debtors prison. It's certainly not about involuntary homelessness. It's about governments ability to enforce very straightforward actions on the population that are so obvious, that to call it cruel and unusual punishment is ridiculous. But with enough money, you can get a lot of bad cases to the Supreme Court, and this is one of them.

Newflash. It's not. And it's obvious it is not. And in a rational Supreme Court it would have been a 9-0 vote instead of a 6-3 vote, except for loony thinking by three overly left-thinking judges.

Of course it is. Everyone understands that from the Supreme Court opinion. And you believe that cities should NOT be able to police the homeless, and that they should be able to put tents anywhere they want on public property. I get it. That's your viewpoint. And I get that you don't understand that your viewpoint is insane. And every rational person also understands your viewpoint is insane. You don't have to clarify anything. We get it. You are a well-known poster here with some of the craziest viewpoints, along side the other "Misguided", so I would expect nothing less from you than a meaningless gif.

Ok, here are the highlights and lowlights from our week in Winter Park, Colorado. Overall, we had a great time. Great weather, nice little town (and towns nearby - Grandby, Fraser, Grand). Thank you Chewbacca and the others who offered up advice and opinions. You were all spot-on in your recommendations. We did a lot of hikes. Went to Rocky Mountain National Park and that was great, primarily because we didn't have to fight Estes Park crowds. It was a very short timed entry wait, and lots of open space once in the park. Visited a few hiking spots and the Alpine Visitor Center which was cool. Could have gone back and spent a whole second day doing long hikes, but had too many kids and elderlies with us. Went trout fly fishing on the Upper Colorado outside Kremmling. Went in expecting weak fishing given the water levels, but it turned out pretty good. Landed several trout, and missed several others including a few monsters. Thank you to Surly for the guide recommendation. He was fantastic. Played golf at Pole Creek golf course. Tough course. Beautiful. A lotta fun, but played terrible. Nevertheless, would recommend. Went whitewater rafting Class 4 and that was great for those that went. Did some mountain biking at Tressle Bike park and e-bikes around paved trails. All were great. Tressle is really cool. Now a bit of the downside. Workers throughout Winter Park were not happy people. The workers at the Resort, McDonalds, hotel, breweries, everywhere in Fraser and Winter Park were unfriendly and in many cases just uncompetant, either because they didn't care or, they didn't care. And just to note, we had no Karen's with us. There isn't one in the entire group. Our hotel experience, the Wnter Park Mountain Lodge, was ridiculous, almost comical. We started off great. They were able to let us check-in early for several of our rooms. However, that quickly declined as several rooms spent several DAYS, trying to get soap, towels, and hot water in the shower. Each room probably requested 3-5 times for these items, making for about 10-20 requests to fix these problems and the manager on duty just simply nodded and blew everyone off. A few of the moments along the way: the people cleaning the rooms weren't carrying soap or towels on their carts! We surmised maybe there was a soap shortage in the hotel. When I finally found a competent worker, he looked at me incredulously. He said they have piles of soap in the back. Same for towels. When I told him several rooms have been trying to get hot water for several days, he said, "That's weird. I've been here the last few days and I'm the head maintenance man and no one has asked our maintenance staff for anything." As we exited the hotel on our last sad morning, I whisked past a British dude hurriedly rushing down the hall with towels and soap in hand, mumbling something about "fucking Americans". As we reached the front desk, two groups were wondering why they had no soap or towels in their rooms. It had been 8 days since our first complaints. I could go on about the restaurant service and other issues, but needless to say don't stay at this hotel. But overall, great trip.

As these two posts indicate, you two, along with many other Cloak room posters, are so biased in your thinking that you can't even understand any rational moderate viewpoint. You believe you are right. You believe you are informed. But the reality is that you are as misguided as many of the right leaning Republican voters. It's why every moderate poster just gives up any discussion in this Cloak room, because it's dominated by deep left thinking progressives. And that's fine. If you can't see that prohibiting a city from telling homeless people that they can't campout in an intersection, or on the sidewalk in front of a business, or in front of your own house, that makes it pretty clear about your ability to think rationally.

Man the speed at which the players are moving is amazing.

I swear this thread gets depressing at some point in July EVERY year. I think I’m just going to bail on it every year on June 20th and pick it up again around September.

Well, I did my informal poll of undecided independents in my social circle. If something doesn’t change their mind, here are the results: 2 - not voting, Biden -2 1 - voting Liberaterian Biden -1 1 - voting Trump Biden -1 1 - voting Biden anyway +1

Another complete mischaracterization of the situation.

I don’t disagree that the Republican Party’s motivations and actions are bad. But, I do believe there is one aspect of the Democratic Party’s views and policies that are also very very dangerous, but in a different way. Some of the policies go against one of the fundamental tenants of the values of this country. Namely that an individual must take responsibility for their own actions. Too often, policies are in conflict with that value. Republicans do it too, so Democrats aren’t alone on that. But the Democrats do it more often.

You know full well that is not the real issue at hand and framing it that way is disingenuous.

Yesterday’s ruling on homelessness is the perfect example of how I’m so deeply conflicted about both political parties. For whatever reason, my two most hot button political topics are wealth inequality and homelessness. And my positions on both are fairly extreme. But, they are the extreme views of each end of the political spectrum, not one end. On wealth inequality, I have a fairly far left view, that wealth is so imbalanced that , for example, I believe a wealth tax of some type is necessary. On homelessness, I believe cities should have significant powers to manage it, including banning camping. Seeing three left justices actually vote against the power of cities to ban camping sent shivers down my spine. I find that position completely unconscionable, and things like that are what keep me from fully embracing the Democratic Party. In my opinion, both parties are forgetting the view that laws and actions by government should always be based on a reasonable balance of giving individuals a fair opportunity. No more. No less. And both parties violate that over and over.

These morons actually believe a coach can’t negotiate with another school for a contract while already under contract. How do they think hires actually happen in, you know, every single coaching search ever?

They are hiring Pierce.

Oh come on that’s ridiculous. That face would never have made it past Assistant Fertilizer Manager.

Man, message boards are an amazing tool for exposing the absolute stupidity of people. These rubes are amazing in their idiocy.

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