DonkeyCigars

Makes sense. I’m a Harry’s/Dollar Shave Club subscription kind of razor guy, so I’ve never known anything but cheaply shaving in the shower and tossing every couple of weeks. Also my Manscape ball trimmer thing seems to be waterproof and it’s electric, so I don’t know 🤷‍♂️

Also, last I checked 9/10 is still before 9/11 so you can have your little "mission accomplished" PR party still and give yourself an extra 10 days. So not sure that is entirely accurate (the 9/11 symbolic date).

Why not just shave in the shower?

The most absurd thing is someone like Bullneck, who I've even noticed on this board or others, throw the biggest tantrum and crying fit and neg the last 20 of my posts.

I don't know who that guy is, but if we can't be honest and call out something that's good, even if you have some disagreements with someone or something-- what are we even doing here? Seriously, if you want to just type up your point of view and not have a discussion why come here at all? Just create a wordpress blog or something or a substack or a newsletter.

Keep negging then in the hopes I go away, which might make you feel better for not being able to articulate yourself or inability to discuss things without getting worked up and upset at being wrong, until the next person you disagree with comes along. I feel sorry for you.

Wow.

Being under the thumb of a foreign army who is rendering you powerless. And what Double D said.

Agreed.

@Bullneck why are you trolling and/or not understanding things, and then going back and negging the last dozen posts out of emotional irrationality? Are you sick?

We were actively retreating with an agreement and date to get out. That is different. I equated it above to being sucker punched or being shot in the back as you are trying to leave. You absolutely must respond to that as it is materially different, in my opinion, than being engaged in a mutual and offensive conflict and those deaths being a sad, tragic outcome of war. Do you get that difference?

Unfortunately innocent kids died. I wouldn't call that a moral hazard as much as...maybe adverse selection? It's a tough thing, war. It's especially tougher when you are fighting a rogue, guerilla enemy without institution and fuzzy boundaries. IMO Biden has been a true leader and showed some true grit the last week. I get that it's easy to bag on him and the intel and whatever, but when people he is charged to lead died, he took it personal and owned their deaths and a response. And he did it in a way that neither jeopardized the retreat (unman drone strikes) and didn't present horrible optics and moral hazards (In my opinion) by not responding and signaling that the deaths were an acceptable outcome in the calculus of war (and thus giving ISIS-K a moral victory with a multiplier effect on morale, recruitment, and emotional buy-in to the terrorist movement and the underdog sensibilities of being a David to Goliath). With the benefit of hindsight, I would not have retaliated in this way because innocent people died. I would have sought another way to retaliate or tried another day or location to try and have 0 innocent deaths. But, I resolve that retaliation was and is still the right call. You still must retaliate. If you don't, in this instance, with this context (in retreat and against this enemy and with the deaths of our own), then my opinion is Biden would have failed as a leader. I'm glad for American's that he responded; I'm sad for the innocent families.

Are you intentionally not directly answering or stating that you would have not responded militarily or tactically to the 13 deaths? That IS what you are saying right? You would have responded to the deaths of the 13 Americans by putting in the order to go faster and get the military to march in double-time? Beyond the moral hazard that not responding presents (IMO) with simply trying to get our troops out faster, I don't see why you can't do both? Retaliate (as we did, with unmanned drone strikes) and put in the order for double-time. I don't mean for you to feel like I'm picking on you here, I'm just trying to suss out your thinking and motivations because you aren't making much sense or giving much to work with. Is it because you haven't really truly put much thought into at all, so you can't articulate your point of view because there really isn't much of one, except to be sort of blindly in opposition of what happened? Do you have critical and/or independent thoughts here? It's okay if you haven't really thought about all this and are just messing around here with one-liners and half-thoughts, but it would be nice to know that after 4 or 5 attempts to wrench out of you what you are thinking and get some supporting and contextual thoughts to what informs your thinking.

Also, to add:

CFA rules. Also love that CFA and Cathy family are moral people of integrity that makes me root for them and give them the edge on any jump balls.

So, you would not have responded to the 13 deaths and just chalked it up as the cost of retreat and doing business, is it?

I meant in response to the bomb that killed 13 Americans, as we were trying to get the heck out of dodge. The sucker punch and the stab in the back as we are trying to walk out of the exit door. What would you have done differently in response to the 13 deaths, like I said, I give it a C+.

Sure, not great. But wasn't great an impossible outcome? Do you only engage in something you can do great? That is literally the definition of Great being the enemy of good. Knowing what you know with the benefit of hindsight: what would you have done differently?

Forgot to ask in my answer: what do you think? How did we do? In hindsight would you have preferred we didn't avenge the innocent Americans in this way or at all? Really curious your input.

I would give it a solid C+ on an impossible to ace task. We knew the impact wasn't going to be great. Really sucks that some innocent people died. War is hell. 10/10 Biden's Response 10/10 Speed/Sense of Urgency 10/10 Statement of Purpose and Example 5/10 Efficacy/Impact 0/10 Death of innocent people

It definitely sucks. War is hell.

That's the rumor/theory/speculation all along.

I never would have believed you, but I did watch BurntOrange&White stroke out on this very thread so I guess I was today years old when I learned this to be true.

I'm honest to a fault, my dude. Sorry Jake Paul stole your girlfriend or something.