Had Enough

What stat did I use to say Arch was better than Ewers? I’ve never asked for Arch to be the guy, not even said he should be brought in. I have said that we can win with both. I did previously quote some Quinn numbers in relation to his ranks on the intermediate range throughout the entire country. I did reference that Ewers first start was against a shittier ULM team than Arch’s first start against a not good ULM team. You will pretty much never hear me say a player sucks. You won’t hear me say player X shouldn’t play or should never see the field. One cause it’s shitty and two because I don’t know what the coaches are asking of them. I try to not even do that for former players or opponents. Any stat I throw out a stat is open for discussion. It’s a team game same as it’s always been. Over the long term, the best TEAM wins. Every player who ever played has screws up. I haven’t played in 30 years and I can remember tons of specific plays that I absolutely messed up. ”bad faith?” Yeah, doesn’t happen.

Let’s start with Boley. Decent day. As for the pick, it was 3rd and 32 with 40 seconds left. There weren’t really many options. For that day, he was better than Vandergrift. You’re acting as though he lost his mind due to pressure. Now for batted balls. I personally don’t give a shit. Chip or not both those plays were dead in the water. Throw it away. But again, you throw one play in your critique video, but the other you explained what should have happened. Generally speaking, tipped balls are due the play call and finding windows. There aren’t many QBs that can throw a slant, RPO over the head of a lineman, that raises his arms or maybe even jumps. You need to find the window. And the lineman needs to keep them engaged to keep the hands down. So any 1-2% variation that may result impacts me very little. As for the stats, you have a tendency to talk down to some of us. Damn near any stat I’ll throw out is with a practical consideration based on years of watching, playing, observing. Hell, I watch too much and spend way too much time on it. With respect to the running game, it’s been there every SEC game for us except Georgia when we really didn’t give it a chance. You’ve referenced going 5-wide. Pretty sure the opening drive of the 2nd half we ran the ball 4 plays in a row, got a first then had a 2 WR route to kick start that drive. That 2.5 to 3 yards a carry was not spectacular but effective. So, yes, I’m well aware all stats need context.

Throwing into double coverage is not always the wrong thing. First that coverage can be crappy. There’s always the 3rd and long stuff that a pick is as good as a punt. People laud Ewers for his OU 2022 game. Two throws were potentially dangerous, but they’re hyped up as “NFL throws.” Do you remember that throw that Vandy picked off? Did you realize there was damn near the exact scenario in the Arch video? You remember how thatguy came in talked about chipping a guy on the way to the flat when it’s QE but adds to a video as negative for arch? In the Georgia game did you know that Ewers got strip sacked too? Did you know that independent sources track things like turnover worthy plays? Guess whose rate is higher? Hell, you can track the stats down on completion by level. From 10-20 yards, Ewers is 60th in completion percentage. 48th in depth of target. The drop % is 18th lowest. I’m sure he’s just getting an inordinate amount of pressure. Last year, you could say he was elite in this range. He’s not this year for whatever reason. We don’t want to factual or consistent here. I’m learning that.

Damn. I just quoted you saying Quinn is the worst ever. Perhaps I knowingly took it out of context. Perhaps I find a little humor in joking around so it should be taken as such. There are a lot of punkasses in here. Yet we all find ourselves here bitching and moaning anyway. It sure isn’t our best use of time. Hell it’s not even really informative. And for the record, I’d wager I could whip the shit out of the majority of you. Some of you may need to give me a rest every 30 seconds of action though.

Yeah, not making it complicated. We are 10-1. Sark played QB. He’s got a 3 year starter. I don’t think he sits on the shitter all day thinking about does Quinn or Arch give us the better chance to win. It logically begins with Ewers is the guy in his mind. In support of my thought that he likely believes both can win, he put in Arch in the biggest game of the year. And let him throw. It’s one thing to let Ewers reset. It’s another to run the 2 minute offense rather than try to run clock with the 2nd guy. He trusts Ewers so you don’t need to consider the trust in the 2nd option. QB is nothing like any other position. And it’s not like one hasn’t been the starter. Im interested in this limited playbook/motions narrative. Has Sark said this? I don’t listen to press conferences/post games so have no clue.

I’m not sure on all those videos who’s running the routes but do not expect the same timing when a backup comes in. It’s also expected that he’s not as calm. This site shits on quite a few players over the years so it was pretty extreme showing all that. Ewers is the guy for a number of reasons. I don’t even think that necessarily means that Sark views him as giving us a better chance to win. I’d expect him to think both could win. I believe we can win with both. But also that he’d think Arch might make, more bigger mistakes. We’re the one of the 3 best, deepest teams. It’s not about 1 player. Ewers gets way too much credit most of the time. He’s getting a little hell now but in the end, win or lose, it’ll only be a very small number that tag him if we lose. Now, they may be loud and mouthy, but He will be viewed favorably over the longer term.

That was like every non-completion in Arch’s career. Has that ever been done here in the aggregate on anyone? Even the hated guys who never deserved the amount of scorn they received. I will be waiting for those posts on that I’ll-advised throw in the UF game to discuss how that was PI and should be removed. Or like those first two throws in which there was pretty much immediate pressure. And for a little irony go watch Quinn’s first start. ULM wasn’t it? A little shaky start against what turned out to be the 118th worst defense per DFEI. Oh, and I think everybody liked Ewers 2nd start. This thread is annoying yet entertaining.

I actually appreciate hearing about other’s experiences. Generally speaking, many here don’t give a shit about that, but I find it interesting and certainly adds pieces to the puzzle. That said, @WinningisHard thought doesn’t necessarily jive. In pre game warmups all QBs throw to all WRs, but that doesn’t really equate to 1st team reps. Then without agreeing basically says it’s difficult to rep the 2 minute offense in a non-live setting but acts as though that’s no big deal for the backup.

Well, playing with the 1s matters. When Arch tried to beat Georgia to the corner, that was an inexperienced move but not necessarily a huge error. The strip sack wasn’t necessarily him either; however, he’s now running the two minute offense. That is a huge ask. For a guy with limited experience overall, who is running the 2 minute offense, in a game we’re losing against the most talented defense we will play all year after not having practiced with the 1s. Yeah, that’s no difference. And if you watch again, that was the worst sequence our line had up to that point.

What would you call the long TD pass?

Who is more talented - Vince or Ewers? I have no doubts Ewers will get drafted. He might even be great. Hell I think we’re winning it all this year.

Here’s where I get confused. It seems we have different definitions of talent. I generally think “physical” traits as others use the term talent. Yes, Ewers has a stronger, more lively arm than Sam. Hell, he may even be faster than Sam. In college, you just need QBs to make plays however they come. Interestingly enough, Ewers has a livelier, stronger arm than Vince Young. Anyone here going to call him more talented? Sam has more attributes closer to Young than Ewers does to Young. Traditional passing stats are good, but they’re very limited relative to what you have today. If you wish to compare completion percentage, that’s fairly useless. For example Ewers has thrown 32% and 27% of his passes behind the LOS the past two years. Sam never threw more than 20% (be mindful Sark is more a screen guy than Herman). In their careers those completion %s in that range are from 91-95%. Quick math on the 32% gives you around 10% higher completion percentage in total before you even get to the other depths. Even if we talk win percentage, is it not equal or higher in non-Quinn starts than Quinn starts the past 3 years? All of the discussion requires context. The simple answer based on numbers is simply that. The simple answer.

Member that time WVU dropped 10 on 3rd and 10 and Sam run ran for a 1st? Pretty awesome. To date, as best I can tell Ewers has never started and won a game in which the opponent scored more than 27. Malik Murphy did it in 2 starts at 30 points. Nevermind some of that was his doing. In 2020 alone, Sam won 3 in which the opponent scored 30+ points. Lost 1 in which the opponent scored 30+ (uh we fumbled on the 1). Lost one in which we scored 40. Several of these were OT but still. In 2019, he won 3 in which the opponent scored more than 30+, one was 48. He lost 3 in which the opponent scored 30 including 1 in which they scored 40+. 2018 was more of the same. Beat OU then got a screw job in the championship game. He had two wins in regulation in which our opponents scored 45+ points. Lost at least 1 in which we scored 40 in regulation.

We lost at Tech in 2022 without Ewers.

Wins generally speaking is a team stat. There’s no debate that Sam had a less talented team. Sam was asked to carry his team in a manner you will likely never see again. The mental and physical endurance it required of him was incredible. It’s unfortunate that his last year was a cluster in multiple respects.

There are several ways of looking at this. Obviously as rookies they have much to learn, but Longhorn rookies are approaching 100 catches. Has that ever happened? Worthy had 6 TDs total so that’s production. With Kelce and Rice he was never going to be the focal point. Downs and Pittman were first in line before Mitchell arrived. Seems as though Mitchell was a pick for the future rather than dominate now. None of those teams are even top 10 in passing yards. Mahomes is sitting at 10th in passing TDs. I thought the original comment was meant in jest anyway.

I’ll just make a few notes for posterity here. The run game has been fine. Georgia was the worst, and it was Wisner the whole time. We may be small, but it’s a bs excuse to not hit it up some between the tackles. Blue has been showing a feel the last two games. He can provide some run inside. We went from criticizing Michigan and their cover 3 (Nevermind they showed cover 2 presnap, ran some 4/5/6 man fronts) to wondering how this 3 safety look confuses the hell out of us. Watch the S on the Golden TD. Terrible. We had opportunities deep. Versus Michigan, we broke the pocket or stepped into it. The 30 yarder to Bond was terrible execution on UMs part. Helm TD broken pocket. Same for the called back TD. The intermediate stuff was largely missing here too I’ll buy that we need to sit on our routes more. Have Quinn rip it in there. Sark wanted his arm. Use it then. Blue needs to be our offensive MVP the remainder of the season. He’s the biggest mismatch on the field bard on the matchups he’ll likely get.

Brownwood in Waco seems odd. But guess it’s neutral. What year did you graduate?

I probably went off the rails a bit but not sure what you mean here. My point was that we had QB issues. But also concern that had Sam returned Sark would have tampered his running, which would have limited him. But I think he kicks ass anyway because he’s a competitor. Ive watched roughly half the games in the past 25 years live then a majority again. Don’t recall missing a single game over that time. Probably played a shit ton more than most on here growing up. But hey who cares. Certainly didn’t mess my drawers against those mighty Marlin Bulldogs like some here did.

People can’t get past that ArKansas game but after that the pass protection improved, the run blocking had moments of some pretty damn good stuff. Sark doesn’t want his QB to run. That first year wasn’t so much about winning as building. Probably easy in his mind to say screw that. I’ll bite the bullet and build towards 2024.

No idea how this all went down. I don’t think Sam ever gets recruited by Sark, but I bet he’d do damn well for him. If he wasn’t serious about bringing Sam back, that was poorly done.

Alrighty. It’s not impossible I reckon.

Can we win 5? Isn’t that what you’re saying.

You can’t really compare them although those comparisons happen all the time. The environments are completely different. People absolutely give Ewers higher marks for his arm but in college you can work around that. You can easily find many great throws from Sam too. In my view, the most you can ask of a player is to play as hard as often as you can. That’s Sam. His production was damn good too. The chaos surrounding his teams was off the charts.

I do think the portal has screwed with offensive continuity. Defenses may be more apt to dare you to drive the field too and see if you can be patient as well. The clock rules allow the game to be shortened some. Ultimately points may be harder to come by.