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Against OSU, the pick six completely changed the game and let OSU climb back in. If we go up 24-3, and Sanders has to throw the ball more, we probably win by two scores. That play was on Casey. We had a chance to score late in the third, when Casey threw a quick slant to Moore, but he couldn't hang on.
Against Baylor, Joshua Moore shaved about 17-21 points off of our potential production. The dropped TD, fumble, and inability to catch the ball that led to an INT prevented us from pinning Baylor down by three scores and forcing another shitty passer to throw more. It's been a while since I've seen an non-QB cost us the game that quickly. We need Whittington back, badly.
Casey has huge limitations, but the losses aren't all on him.
Not all on Casey. In spite of Moores errors, we still had chances. Casey’s big miss was the throw out of bounds to Worthy. Washington could have made some catches. Lots of missed opportunities. I do think Whittington could have made a difference. -
Why would he have known the ball isnt coming his way? Its an RPO and the CB is blitzing. He probably was giddy thinking he was going to get 20+ yards on the play. He had no shot to block the safety anyway, as he crashed on the run action.
At some point in the play, he knew the ball wasn’t coming his way but just kept going. There is no way of knowing at what point he knew that though. I acknowledged he wouldn’t have gotten the safety but had Bijan gotten outside it’s possible a block from him could have been critical. It just played out differently than what you typically see since no one even reacted to him. My initial reaction was maybe he was ticked and just kept going to prove some point rather than consider the play wasn’t over.
Anyway, y’all win. He’s probably just finishing his route. -
We barely got a push against Rice.
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Go back and watch again.
Three 60+ yard runs. Only 1, maybe 2 guys had a legit chance to tackle our RBs on any of them. And the main attempt likely could have been a guy that we couldn’t account for. On Bijans run, Angilau absolutely obliterated his guy.
BU was selling out pretty hard to shut down Bijan. I think OSU did too. It’s a reasonably constant theme this year from opposing defenses. Don’t let Bijan beat you.
If we get better QB play, we win. But yeah if we get better WR play, we win. If the line plays better, we win. That’s what happens when you’re not great.
Specific to the QB position, we aren’t getting many off schedule plays. The pick 6 vs OSU was the play of the day. Versus BU, we couldn’t run but left tons of points on the board. That was part WR, part QB.
At this point, Card should get some series in each game. That was the plan for Casey. Should be the plan since now we’re just playing for a bowl. -
Moore clearly pointed out the blitzing CB, and he was running his route, the same route and concept he scored a TD on 20 minutes earlier.
Right, I didn’t mean Moore didn’t alert him but rather typically he’d have to be the one to identify.
I just would have thought on this play he would have known the ball is not coming his way and proceeded to make an effort to block. As it turned out, it would not have mattered. The corner not the safety cared what he was doing. -
If we'd gotten another yard, maybe? In game, my assumption was, "we're running here, and if we get close, we're running again..."
No, you’re right. If we were a yard short, I bet he goes for it.
I wouldn’t expect the QB to see the blitz. Best chance would be Moore to alert him.
Just no idea what Moore is doing once he realizes it isn’t coming his way. No attempt to get the safety just looks like he’s going to block the goalpost. That very easily could have been a huge play. -
To be clear, BO&W doesn't even faintly speak for the rest of us here. I, personally, can't really figure out what a "youth movement" gets us at this point. I don't think Texas is loaded with talent, but it certainly has enough to win each of the games it lost this year.
Now, are some of our players "not good", yes. We have a problem at QB where both main candidates have major flaws. They're both JAGs, and that isn't helping the poor coaching. We have a weak WR room behind the first wave of guys. On defense, I don't even know what in the fuck to make of what kind of talent Texas has on that side because the coaching has been so thoroughly poor.
On this I’m with you. For the guys that I’d say are “not good” aren’t devoid of ability but it’s more consistency or wtf coaching. And the consistency ties in to coaching as well. On defense, like you said, it’s hard to know. Worthy, even though he’s doing great things, is a poor blocker.
Our talent has put us in position to be 7-1. Players and coaches share responsibility in not finishing the job. It’s not one coach or player or unit. Nobody is stepping up and making the difference. Somebody, anybody make a play when it counts. Generally you feel like the offense has carried the team but damn if they haven’t left a number of plays on the field or let go of momentum on multiple occasions.
I’d say Keilan and Roschon would be the two with legit gripes about opportunities but look who they’re behind. A little hard to argue Bijan plays too much. Otherwise, you’d have to drill down to freshmen like Coffey, and I’m not sure it’s wise to introduce him to Breece Hall with a 20 yard head start and a two way go.
Now really checking out of this thread as a poster with my long ass posts and no recruiting value. -
Maybe the play call is "Hand the ball off" because we're going for it on 4th down and we want yardage and to run the clock under 2 minutes if we have to give the ball back.
We punted on 4th.
Looks to be crappy run by Bijan. He’s 1v1 with the corner but chooses not to take it. Not only that but it looks like he’s running inside the block to where the defender is being blocked. -
Huh. This is a new one for me.
Username checks out as a poster, but not as a UT fan. Weird.
I’ve stalked you bastards for years. Busted on the scene at some point last year after Herman did something to piss me off. Don’t even remember what it was now. I’ll stick up for own players but not above talking shit to posters. Not even above a good threat since it’s the internet.
Read a lot on the recruiting forum but don’t post cause I have no inside info, don’t do my own research, and realize that whatever value I have in my own mind ain’t worth much here.
Now, I’ll leave y’all to your discussion, but I’d prefer the “our players suck and don’t deserve to live much less play football” thread on the football board on its own thread so I may intentionally avoid it rather than in a useful one that warrants attention.-
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Are we just going to ignore the fact that Coburn did a terrible job of trying to fight thru the block play side? I don’t think he’s stunting either. That’s how you get gashed. You can’t do that.
Brockermeyer undercut his too. But they both did a good job of continuing to play.
The BU center does a good job of not holding in my opinion. Certainly not anything I’d expect to be called. If he gets higher, under the neck, that’s different. -
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If we aren't going young from the next game out to prepare for next season then this staff is further doomed than we thought. No reason guys like the following should be continuing to get meaningful playing time:
Tope Imade
Luke Brockermeyer
Jett Bush
Christian Jones
BJ Foster, along with Juan Davis(should be shown the door, leaving the field in a temper tantrum like they did)
Joshua Moore
Cade Brewer
Ray Thornton has been virtually useless
Brennen Schooler
I'm not sure wtf to do with QB as I feel like Card is already checked out with 1 foot in the portal.
If you are going to throw those names, throw these out too - Coburn, Ovie, Davis. Wiley. Hell, Ford and Gbenda too. Ford played a lot in collapses versus OSU and BU. Adeoye.
Our damn problems exist at every level. Calling out players for lack of effort is one thing but for you and others unloading your supposed knowledge is chickenshit especially when lacking objectivity and understanding.
Who gives a shit what you think about the QB situation. You’re a dumbass hollering about Bush getting meaningful playing when he hasn’t played for shit the last two weeks. It may have been TCU where he didn’t play much either and only got lots of run versus OU because Jones got hurt. Hell, he’s the only one that actually drew a holding flag versus OU.
But keep bitching about him cause his lack of playing time sure as hell has bolstered our pass rush and 4th quarter defense the last two weeks.
Jones just came off a game in which somebody reviewed the tape and said he allowed no pressures.
He screws up sure but if you don’t see the good and potential it’s cause your head is up your ass.
Jerrin Thompson was the starter over Schooler but gave it up due to his poor performance against OU culminating with his incredibly weak effort on the final play. Thru OU I’m pretty damn certain Thompson played more snaps yet the bitching about Schooler is probably 10 times more and certainly more claims for Schooler to never see the field again. I said it elsewhere but Schooler was 3rd in tackles on a crappy Oregon team and had 4 INTs. So he was capable somewhere at some point.
You also have two dudes who made the biggest plays on defense last week. But sure run em off cause everybody else is whipping ass. Heaven forbid if the dudes responsible for rushing the passer actually make a big play. If they get just 1 big sack against BU, who knows what happens. One fumble. Anything.
Moore had a crappy game and somewhat of an up and down career, but he’s never done anything positive so throw his ass aside. Or maybe he’ll rebound like Worthy after TCU. And no shit he’s not as talented as Worthy.
I’m not even sure why people bitch about Brewer. He’s a good team player. Catches the balls thrown to him. Kinda does what 90% of tight ends do throughout the country. Damn him for not being a superstar.
You also have some juniors on there so I’d probably say Ojomo, Sweat and even guys like Adimora (he wasn’t particularly good last year) that haven’t played much should be on the DO NOT PLAY list. Let’s be honest Sweat and Ojomo haven’t produced like we’d all had hoped. You know Overshown he disappears at times and runs around blocks too much. That guy. That’s inexcusable for a senior.
Queue the scheme excuse for some but not others. I don’t care for the scheme based on what we’ve got either. A lot of bitching about role players when our is issue is lacking star power particularly on defense. Or at least the guys we thought could be stars aren’t playing as such.
I haven’t seen any practices, but it is quite possible that the effort and execution is complete dogshit for some. If that’s the case, they have no right to bitch about lack of playing time. There might be a few freshmen that could get some more run, but we’ve run a shit ton of guys out there and there aren’t many flashes. Collins is the one guy, but he’s getting opportunities now (and he was getting some earlier too) and we’re getting similar team results.
Even though this is the internets, there’s a better way of stating let’s play the younger guys more.
It’s just hard to imagine half you dudes not shitting your pants every other day in non football related activities the way you conduct yourselves here.-
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I think Whitt is the worst after last game. Our OL isn't great but it wasn't good with Okafor playing, either. Our WR room is a fucking train wreck and it was somewhat passable with Whitt.
Whittington is a better player, and it’s very possible that we win the last two with him. At the same time, I’m not certain we fully utilized him except for Tech. Small sample size though.
The Oline did pretty well versus Tech and Rice. We’ve had many games versus lighter competition in the last 10, even 20, years that we didn’t blow out. I think only 1 QB pressure in those two games too. They were actually damn good I’d say.
Then Okafor gets hurt versus TCU. It was pretty early too. We then proceed to move pieces around. That was a bad move. Unless PFF is absolute trash, Kerstetter is plus + pass blocker at Tackle but not even close to that inside. So we basically downgraded at two Oline positions for the OU game. The pass blocking has been decent the last two weeks, probably better versus BU. OSU and Baylor both threw a lot of bodies at the LOS. Baylor simply was not going to let us run the ball consistently. If the passing game was on point, we likely win both those games. Maybe by two scores. Maybe by 3. It was not their issue we weren’t up 20-3 versus OSU or 28-10 versus BU. And, yes, I think we hold those leads since those offenses are not quick strike and have QB limitations.
The olines been through a lot in 3 years. 3 offenses and OCs. All of the original starters except Majors have changed positions/sides since last year. They aren’t the most talented bunch to begin with and continuity matters. Our backs and TEs are also responsible for some of the mishaps. I’d go with Okafor as the most significant injury.
Not many would believe it, but I’d say the Oline has fared better than the Dline. And by a decent margin. The first half versus Pig has messed with peoples perceptions of all games. There were several awful drives against OU too, but there many good plays. All those deep balls Worthy and Moore got were good pockets. -
With what we lost and having a new staff with new schemes I just didn't see it. Hell if we didn't get Worthy this would really fucking look bad.
We did lose some quality, but we played well without them in two games to end the year. The inconsistency in the Oline has been disappointing but somewhat understandable.
Worthy’s been a lifesaver.
I thought Coburn, Wiley, Ojomo, Sweat, Overshown and a few others would have stepped up their game. Lots of experienced guys have not really upped their game. That’s surprising to me. -
I'm not angry at all, I knew this was going to be a shitty year. I'm just shocked at how many guys I consider good level headed posters thought we were a 2 loss team.
Fair enough. Attitude will do.
10 wins was a reasonable call. That could have been up to 14 games. Had we pulled 1 of these 3 off that still was possible.
In spite of all the hand wringing, we’ve had virtually no breaks go our way - calls, penalties, etc. we aren’t injury free and some pretty critical.
Obviously we’re not good enough to overcome what ails us. -
who should be playing?
You. You got lots of anger and attitude. -
I could see Overshown and Jamison get drafted on potential, but I absolutely agree with you about Foster.
Foster. That pick versus Arkansas? Pretty, pretty nice. Member him crushing people as a frosh?
High school running back I believe. Some good bloodlines too.
Production versus measuresbles. Not saying he’s getting drafted. I would not be surprised if he tested better than what has shown on the field though. -
In year three he went 4-8 with the following margins of defeat:
49, 4, 27, 32, 10, 3, 39, 27
Six double digit losses. Five by 20+. Three by 30+. One by 40+.
What "dynamics" do you need to know other than this bumbling Magoo couldn't even make it to year four at USF? It's laughable to assign even a shred of blame to the guy who left the program in historically great shape. Charlie couldn't have stumbled into a better situation and he set fire to the place and burned everything to the ground.
You don’t know that the situation was great at USF would be my guess. If the frosh and soph classes were garbage then that is not leaving the program in great shape. Maybe Daniels was his Bridgewater. Leavitt had more prolonged success in the Big East.
They won 1 more game with Taggert the year before than with Charlie the next year. They also played 1 more. Taggert left FSU in the shitter. I don’t know whether he left 1 or 2 classes worth a damn at USF. As best I can tell, he left one good QB.
Strong lost by a combined 11 points including undefeated UCF in year 1. The year before Taggert did beat a 6-7 UCF. Lost by 16 to Temple. Lost to FSU by 20. Houston was Charlies other loss.
USF is 3 and 14 since Strong was let go. No doubt Strong didn’t leave great football players. But since Strong was only there 3 years that would have been Taggert senior and redshirt senior classes that played a part in those stellar seasons. Maybe Strong ran them all off. Those are the dynamics I’m talking about.
That is not a best situation if you run off dudes you were left with though.
That 4-8 season. Losses to ranked Wisconsin, Memphis and Cincy. No doubt they weren’t good, but their talent relative to their opponents wasn’t superior. So again if you are there only 3 years, the talent level is not just that coaches doing but what was left from the prior coach.
I’m not advocating that Strong should have stayed at USF. I don’t have a clue since I don’t follow them closely.
But back to the original point of Strong being the worst of the last 30 years isn’t even close to correct. -
Lulz. Who is going to be drafted? Maybe 1-2 underclassmen DBs and 1-2 underclassmen DTs. But they are ALL shit players now.
I have no idea. Was simply asking the question. It’s generally about the measurables. I have no insight on how Thompson or Jamison would test. Foster is somewhat interesting. Overshown. There are several I could see having decent careers at the next level.
And before you shit all over yourself, I’d venture to say few to no one thought Adrian Phillips would be scoring NFL TDs in 2021.-
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I’m not obsessed. I think he was surrounded by Bridgewater and talent at Texas that could fart its way to 5 wins per season. Yes, he’s the worst coach I’ve ever seen at any level.
Based on what?
You can say that based on his Texas record he was the worst here. But if you use record, then that same consideration says he’s not the worst coach in the last 30 years.
I don’t know the dynamics of the USF program, but he was only there 3 years. They won 10 in year 1 with one of those losses being to a pretty solid UCF team. Have you checked their record since he left? Theoretically the new guy had some Taggert recruits too. No doubt Strong didn’t leave tons of studs but with the great things Taggert did at FSU maybe he didn’t leave shit either other than a Senior class. -
Good grief
Several things here.
Does the offensive line suck because the corner provides some help? I think our Oline gets the blame on occasion when we don’t have enough bodies.
Second, notice the safety alignment and aggression.
Then, why does Moore just run downfield? -
b) we have no defensive talent. None.
How many guys need to get drafted or make NFL rosters for you to walk this back? -
We saw the same lack of improvement with Sam, who had a high work ethic and more natural ability. Sam spoke about wanting to improve as pocket passer for 3 years, but didn't take it seriously until his senior year.
In what aspect of his game did you see lack of improvement for 3 years?
Then what makes you think he finally took it seriously his last year? -
I’m not even sure that Coburn needs to start, but suppose we were to have an epiphany and start lining up like that. Who subs in to give the big boys a breather? Because it gets pretty ugly as soon as we rotate in fresh players. I guess stuff the run early, try to build a lead and hold on for dear life as we wear down later.
Honestly I’m not concerned who starts. Coburn likely has to be in there as part of the rotation. The weather should be cooler so each could get more run with less fatigue. Just cause Murphy doesn’t start doesn’t mean he gets limited reps.
I know it’s blasphemy but rotate Sawyer-Welch in there too. Ask him to give us two series. Don’t get blown off the ball and do his job. Broughton, Bush, Sorrell too. The latter two are more suited for a 4 man front than 3.
Even if our base is a 4 man front, that doesn’t mean we never go with 3.-
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Bobby Burton mentioned in his after game video for Baylor that both Coburn and Sweat had ZERO TACKLES for the game...
This shit is not working PK !!!
What if I told you we had more tackles for loss than BU?
You’d probably tell me they had more run plays.
Murphy and Collins each had 3 tackles. Sweat had a pass defensed.
There’s a lotta what the hell is going on. No sacks, 1 QB hurry. I’m not sure how that stat is counted because we got after him a few times but maybe they always completed the pass.-
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Every team in the league has at least 2 better LBs than us. It's a problem we've tried but can't hide.
This is wrong. I’m not even saying the part about better LBers.
We haven’t tried to hide them.
We are outnumbered in the box. On defense and on offense. On defense our front 3 are not the largest grouping out there. Our LBers are light. So we’re small and we run light in the box.
We have been running an extra edge guy in favor of Cook. But as you can in the video above, that dude is so far outside he isn’t affecting much. We were damn nearing playing 11 on 8 at that point.
As some have mentioned, you gotta try Ojomo-Sweat-Coburn-Collins. Then you do have decent pieces to help in the run game.
I do believe your LBers will play well if kept clean. But 3 Dline men on 5 won’t do it. At least not out our 5. you need to keep them both relatively clean because the cut back is a killer and the safeties are 15 yards deep.-
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This is who Steve Sarkisian is.
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I thought Saban was a far better coach than others but now I am questioning whether the liberties with which he and other SEC types take in recruiting is the difference.
What he and Smart are attempting to do is get a higher rated player at every position than you.
Well yeah if you can do that, you will beat your opponent most times. However most teams operate in the same arena talent-wise.