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  1. Venables won’t leave his DC position to take another DC position.  However, he’s 49 years old, has been at Clemson since 2012, and knows it’s time to make the move to HC if that’s ever going to happen.  
    Hmm. Might be an interesting choice. And might have a little extra desire to take it to the Sooners.

    Outside of Urban, no one moves the needle much.

    Can he bring great coaches? He will bring some credibility.
  2. The question seems to be whether Sam generally has been taking too long to stop looking for an open receiver and either run or throw the ball away, not what down it happens on. If you want to argue about the down, you need to go ahead and make a decent analysis and take all of the game variables into account. What period are we in? Are we ahead or behind? What's the field position? What formation are we in? What routes are the receivers running? Who are the receivers? Why aren't they open? Has Sam been told not to run or scramble at this point in the game? Is he in the tackle box or outside it? I have no doubt you can find many more salient points, so get right to it. 
    I'd say for those saying he's held on to the ball too long to prove it. I'm not claiming he is or isn't. I've heard it said over the years about different QBs yet never heard real data to substantiate that claim.


  3. I just don't really understand what you're arguing. That Charlie wasn't as bad as we all thought because he wasn't an utter, abject failure against OU?



    The original point was that Charlie would certainly lose to Liberty. Not your point necessarily but another posters. His record was subpar to say the least. But his teams hit good OU teams in the mouth from the opening snap. So my point there was in games against our biggest rival Charlie's team showed up to their best abilities while Herman's have not. Given the level of talent on the 2020 Texas roster compared to the 2014 Texas roster, I have questions as to which coached team shows up more ready to play Liberty.

    But you then took it and turned it to say that Herman's teams show up full of piss and vinegar (not your words) when playing OU. Only in 2018 did they do that.

    Texas fans want the win-loss record to be stellar. But they also want the team ready to play OU every damn time. Not 3/5ths of the time. Not 2/5ths of the time. Herman's teams have not done that. You said they did/do. And this 2020 OU is the weakest of that bunch of OU teams.

    So that's my point to your interjection. Herman's team do not always show up ready to hit OU in the mouth.
  4. If you’ve got 4 seconds to throw and get sacked, you held it too long. There’s no shame in scrambling for a few yards, dumping it off or throwing it away to have another chance. Don’t just hold onto it hoping someone comes open.
    Fair enough. But I'd say certain situations dictate it is reasonable to hold it longer if that ultimately increases your conversion rate. But that is predicated on not having another chance for that possession. You do not approach 1st and 3rd the same.
  5. So have Tom's. 
    Sorta. Three not so no good starts but we did hang in and compete. It is difficult to find inspiration in 2020s effort. 2019s effort was quite poor but hung in there. So it's really these last two that lacked inspiration.

    2017. Down 20-0. Outgained by 90 yards. Lost by 5.
    2018. Showed up ready both games.
    2019. Ou up 10-0. Outgained by 190. Lost by 7.
    2020. Ou up 10-0. I think the fumble really impacted each team's confidence big time. Lost in OT.


    2014. Outgained Ou by 250. Were down 17-3 due to kickoff and defensive TD. Lost by 7
    2015. Outgained Ou by 90 yards. Won.
    2016. OU outgained us by 250. This is the 2nd half back and forth until Ou stole the ball on an interception. Lost by 5.

    In 2014-16, we weren't good and were outmatched but showed up to compete. There are a number of fans that don't feel that we showed up to compete in 2019 or 2020 in spite of the final scores. It's really those efforts that have people wanting Herman's job.

    I'm done with it if you'd like the final word.



  6. Also, a bunch of those sacks are Sam's fault. He's holding onto the ball too long and missing windows, or scrambling when it isn't necessary.




    This line of thinking brings to thought the question of how long is too long to hold the ball. And maybe you could argue everytime you get sacked you held it too long. If all receivers are running verticals, you're going to hold it longer. If receivers are covered, you're likely to hold it longer. If your receivers are slow, you're likely to hold it longer. All sorts of variables. 3rd and 15 versus 1st and 10. You should hold it longer on 3rd than on 1st.

    What I've not heard is a good analysis on how long is too long on a particular play or even for a type of offense that compares how long the QB actually holds the ball. I heard it several times that justin Fields has a tendency to hold onto the ball too long. I suppose if you present no evidence that evidence cannot be proven wrong.
  7. That's awesome. I'm so happy for him. We really fucked up by letting him go.
    Oh wait, except you left out the part where he somehow found a way to lose this fucking game and drop to 2-4 on the season:
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    Actually I did reference the fact that we did not win that game aka lost it. And I did say you lose to Kansas you lose your job. But I admit I liked Charlie.

    But my point was that his teams showed up to play versus OU. The boxscore shows it. But yeah it also has you asking how the did we lose.

    And I'm telling you the refs screwed him over like no other. The OSU game is remembered but look at this one. 11 to 3. I'm quite certain OUs first penalty was on a punt return for 10 yards so that leaves 2 others for 5 yards each. Those are generally gimmes too. I know damn well one of ours negated a huge run by Swoopes. You know an impactful penalty and really called on a borderline impactful hold.
  8. Whoa, even Charlie? I agree we both hate Therm, but let's not put the cart before the horses. Charlie lost to Kansas, a team Therm needed a fg to beat. Charlie would almost definitely lose to Liberty. 
    One of Charlie's teams held OU to 28 yards at the half. Had an 80 yard run called back. Didn't get a live ball penalty called on our behalf until the 2nd half. And that wasn't even the game he won. Can we show up to play OU like that everytime? Tom doesn't think so.

    An NFL RB and possible NFL QB turned it over 6 times vs. Kansas. Lost in OT on the road. Frosh QB vs. Jr. QB. Last minute drive to secure win at home. Not sure that gives an advantage to hermie.

    You get fired for losing to Kansas. Charlie upgraded the talent for Hermie. Hermie upgraded the talent for.................well that may depend on whether he leaves now.
  9. Where did I say he sucks?
     
    You honestly think Alabama would give up Mac Jones and ND would give up Ian Book for Sam? That’s delusional. 
    Probably not. Kudos to Book for beating Clemson without their QB and several defensive guys. But Sam has shown more than Book that if a coach is choosing a college QB, he chooses Sam.

    And Mac Jones stands back there playing glorified 7 on 7. Just like Tua before. But I would expect Saban to choose his guy.

    As a sample of Books stats. 11-19. 106 yards. Against Louisville. 3 and 6 Louisville. 153 yards of total offense vs. USF. He's played 3 teams with winning records. Pitt and BC are 1 game above .500. He's played 3 with no more than 2 wins.
  10. You’re willing to admit herman is a fucking sorry coach but at the same time not able to admit that’s why Sam looks poor? Switch any QB in the country with Sam and they look just as poor as seniors. Lawrence couldn’t take the beating, that dude from BYU doesn’t even start a full season, fields probably breaks the mold here because he’s fantastic and athletic as fuck. We have one single problem here. He’s why Sam is struggling mightily right now, why bijan only gets 10 carries a game and why our special teams sucks shit through a straw. 
    Uh Fields singlehandedly kept Indiana in the game yesterday. 3 of the sorriest reads/decisions you will ever see. Then he freaked with an easy dump off on a 4th and 1 game sealing play. He did a great job running the ball but his teammates ran for 200 plus. Except for the last drive they could run at will. Their offense scored 0 points in the last 25 minutes of the game. To date, he has not shown the ability to handle pressure.
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  11. I'm not really talking about on field results, more addressing the narrative that talent came to die under Mack's glory days when it absolutely didn't. You can have plenty of talent shine in college and at the next level and not necessarily win every game with those guys. You seem to be referring to the idea of "wasting talent" which, yeah, we probably did to a degree, but we were so fucking loaded in those years that 10 wins was a bad season. 
    I don't think we won as much as we COULD have but I don't beleive that it was some mass underachievement to be 4 games and just a handful of points away from winning 2 MNCs and playing in 5. No way we beat Miami in '01 or SC in '04 (although Vince could have made it interesting). Heart of hearts I do beleive we beat UF in '08.
    Chips fell enough for us to get 1 year on the wall. Push them over the ledge a bit more and there's 2 or 3 up there. Thank fuck we didn't hang a goose egg.
    Got you. You're right. Lots of solid NFL careers including a few free agents that made their marks.

    And now we're in an era in which Big 12, particularly on the defensive side, are devalued. No way a guy like Poona should be undrafted.

    We actually have decent representation in the NFL on the defensive side. I think dumb scheme rather than failure to develop is a factor. On the defensive side. Poor evals and lack of development are bigger issues on the offensive side.
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  12. Not for the first 10 years it wasn't. Saying otherwise is revisionist. We were what - the 3rd or 4th best program of the 2000s? 
    Yes but there was a reason why USC was thought to be undefeatable. I think we had more top end talent on both sides of the ball, and I'm a large Reggie Bush fan. Then there was 12-0 with Young and Young. Thomas and Sweed. Lots o olinemen. And in 2005, we only had 26 points after 54 minutes. Yep made for history but what the hell are you doing the 1st 54.

    Lots of greatness in there but way too many wth moments. RB, Dline, DB were loaded. Oh and pretty good at QB too.

    It should have taken more than 1 hand to count the conference champs.
  13. Rattler isn't better. He has 2 gimme TDs today. Lots of no read passes. And what I mean by that is the defense is so lost on the playcall any high school QB is completing the pass. We have those on a less frequent basis. Yeah his arm is stronger.

    What I'm telling you is I watch without my head in my ass. All QBs miss open guys. All QBs lock in on their receivers from time to time. All QBs make bad throws. Justin Fields today had 4 horrendous plays because he finally saw pressure. Like Freshman Ehlinger vs OSU overtime horrendous. It happens. Of Fields 18 completions, 15 were to Olave and Wilson. You think he's reading a damn thing? Sam's not playing as well this year. Probably for multiple reasons. Some his fault; some not. Certainly he's a smarter football player so why is comp % down so much? I'd say inconsistency all around him. It's disappointing for all of us. How do you think he feels?

    Why were Mayfield, Murray and Hurts all significantly better than at their previous stops? Several reasons. But Hurts is the best indicator because he had significant playing time and talent around him wasn't better compared to Bama. Riley and his system is a big reason.

    The TCU loss was not on Sam. The OU loss not on Sam but he had some crappy plays. He also had some damn good ones. Stupid oline penalties killed drives in both games. The fumble versus TCU. How often do you see that? The fumble on the ou opening drive was absolutely killer. Massive massive momentum killer. And huge hit to our confidence.

    And again no one has said he's Young or Colt. But discussions including their crappy performances and plays is reasonable for comparison purposes. Especially if a negative argument is that he never should gave beaten Tech cause the first 27 minutes of the second half he did jack squat. Lucky for Vince that Kansas game wasn't 57 minutes long. And Sam has shown much like those guys if you give him the ball late with a chance to win, you have a great opportunity to do just that.

    So yeah I'll stick up for him and argue but you won't catch me making up stuff in his defense.

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  14. All the times?? Can you show me one?
    I thought we’ll I do drink during many games so maybe I’m misremembering. So I just watched a ~5 highlight reel of Duv. Zero back shoulder throws. To be fair to Sam a few good throws but definitely not that throw.
    You notice looks like garbage when pressured right? He has over 100 yards "passing" from passes caught behind the los.

    Can't say we do much back shoulder stuff.

    Just last game. Out route to Smith. Over the middle to Black (dpi too). Perfectly thrown balls.
  15. OUs RS freshman QB (that we all made fun of to start the year) is better after 7 games than 4 year starter Sam. That’s the reality of Sam as our QB. 
     
    And don’t chime in with “coaching!” Or “team around him!” Ratter has already made 2 or 3 throws this game Sam isn’t capable of.
    I'd love to watch a game in your presence.
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