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  1. 1 hour ago, Hookem10 said:

    Imagine the meltdown if arch took over after Georgia and lost a couple more games because of freshman mistakes and we missed the playoffs. With are badass defense btw. The fallout of that would have been crazy.  Would this thread be better or worse now that I think about it 

    That would have largely required multiple TDs by the opponents defense while the offense never scored more.  For multiple games.

    From a 2nd year guy that has been educated on football his entire life.  On a team with an overall talent/experience advantage.

    I’m not sure I’ve ever seen that.

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  2. 1 hour ago, Park Gothic said:

    Yep. Broughton was a fucking liability in 2022 and barely a JAG in 2023. Then suddenly in 2024 he's a solid disruptor and pass rush specialist on the inside.

    Credit to Kenny Baker for that, I guess. Because I thought Broughton had zero chance of sniffing the NFL. 

    Yeah, it’s probably all of the above.  He likely had his most reps ever and hit that now or never mode too.  Outside of OSU and UGa the opponents talent was not that great so it better allowed him to showcase his skills.

  3. 16 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

    I honestly would be fine with capping the number of teams from one conference. Obviously ACC and SEC are the two best conferences by a large large margin, but I still think you should have to perform in your conference to make the tourney. Having teams that finish 6 games under 500 in their conference make the field, especially as 2 seeds, is just kinda dumb imo.

    The process is pretty bastardized.  The RPI is a poor representation. 
     

    The ACC as the #2 conference is closer in rating to the Big 12 at #3 than the Big 12 is to the Big 10 at #4.
     

    In checking it out today, UCF is 56th in the RPI.  They are ahead of 5 teams in the Big 12 ahead of them in conference standings.  They are bunched up however.  Three of those teams are 3-4 games ahead in conference.  Houston is 44 spots lower in the RPI but 1 game up.

    UCF and BYU are tied for 12th of 14 in the Big 12.  They are 5-1 versus Stetson, #72 in the RPI.

    WVU and UCF are a good representation of the RPI east coast circle jerk.

    if you are 4/5 games under .500 in conference, you deserve to sit at home.  You probably won’t notice it in the RPI, but it’s possible you may get a Mizzou or some other team that’s tanking it in conference to even get to that point.  
     

    It’s basically been 20 years of the ACC/SEC squeezing invites/hosts/seeding.  That’s likely part of the reason FSU has so many CWS appearances and no titles.  Significant favorable matchups until the CWS then wilt against talented teams.  
     

    FSU will never leave the state of Florida except for a few conference series, perhaps get some bottom feeder SEC team as a 2, Stetson as a 3 and SWAC team.  They’ll then advance to match up with a “hot” Kentucky in a Super.  A Kentucky that beat Miami that couldn’t handle Stetson in their regular season matchup.  There you go.  You’ve got a rep in the CWS.

    Pull that shit for 20 years, add pay for play, and you get the balance you’ve got today.  Surprise.

     

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  4. 30 minutes ago, MrBig said:

    Is Quinn keeping the same agent? If he doesn’t get better representation then he shouldn’t expect better results. I was worried for Quinn when I saw his Hulu commercial and realized the other guy in the commercial with him was his agent. Shit like that plus @Thatguy saying how miserable Quinn was because he was being treated horribly by Texas fans made me think that he has bad representation and is having so much smoke being blown up his ass that it’s going to cause a dumpster fire with his stock in the draft. 

    Could be.   I do not know the answer regarding his agent.

    i do not necessarily get the sense that the voices in his ear have ever been great.  I view Sark and crew as positives but beyond that I don’t know.    I wouldn’t trust that treaty oak fella at all.

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  5. 22 minutes ago, Derka said:

    huh? he most definitely got better combing than pretty much any other qb in the draft, i’ll give you that. but the idea that he just needs to work harder now and he’ll suddenly be a completely new qb? what do you think he’s been doing his entire life?

    I said put in the work AND consistency of effort.

    He has been humbled at this point.  Maybe for the first time.  For me personally, there was once a time in my life when I worked reasonably hard at a goal.  But I did it in the wrong manner.  So perhaps now he can become more focused.  He has the opportunity.  I believe he landed in a good environment.  He will either succeed or not.

    There's been lots of references to him at his best - Michigan, Bama.  So, yeah, there’s a point at which his preparation could lead to more consistency and provide him a legit chance of success and repeat those performances.

    Going all the way back to 2022, I have not been short of criticism.  I’ve been consistent too.  But I haven’t limited what his upside is.  That’s where I sit today.

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  6. 7 minutes ago, immamac said:

    Except the way the offense looked when arch was starting, which is what sarks offense actually looks like. He runs a video game offense with insane players that create mismatches all over the field. 

    I think if he benched Ewers for real, not the takeout benching of Georgia, Quinn would have had a mental breakdown and it would have adversely affected the entire team, the locker room, and potentially recruiting opportunities. It also would have pissed off quite a few donors, sponsors etc, but I don't think sark gives a shit about that. 

    Quinn was too fucking distraught to properly celebrate being drafted and getting a chance at his life long dream of playing in the NFL, that should tell you everything you need to know about his mental resilience. 

    Shedeur Sanders acted like he went number 1 overall, not as an act, but because he was actually that fucking stoked to make it in the NFL despite what was going on. It was nonstop shadeur is sliding coverage and memes about him. 

    Some of you need to take the orange glasses off and see this for what it is.

    Its merely speculative on my part but feel like he’s better trained than most for the next level.  Now it’s largely about putting in the work and consistency of effort.
     

    This was my original statement.  It does not conflict with your comment really.  You could even add that he’s been on bigger stages than many of these other draftees, which should provide for better training too.

    Im not weighing in on whether he will succeed but rather saying that his past 3 years have better prepared him for the NFL than others.

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  7. 1 hour ago, Texasborn91 said:

    What gives you that assumption? 32 NFL teams looked at this dudes tape for 3 years and their opinion was he will be a well below average NFL QB. it’s too late to begin to “put in work”. Every week will be UGA on steroids. 

    Sark has been an NFL coach of late.  His offense is not gimmicky.  He understands the value in recruiting with respect to guys succeeding at the next level.  He coached a 1st rounder recently.  Sarks resume would indicate there’s some benefit in playing for him to benefit you at the next level.

    Injury concerns and footwork inconsistency are dings on his resume that are not necessarily failures to knowing how to play QB.

    I’ve never been Ewers biggest fan but taking flyers on some of those other guys over him is odd.  And a number of teams were not in the market for a QB.

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  8. 19 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:Quinn cannot process quick enough

    I probably screwed up the part I was trying to quote.

    In my opinion this is very difficult to determine.  I do look into the numbers.  The numbers say otherwise.  He gets rid of the ball quickly relative to his peers.  You can contrast that to a guy like Caleb Williams.  His average time to throw in college was rather high.   Certainly he holds the ball longer to extend plays, but then he goes tothe NFL and gets sacked a ton.  From a numbers perspective but also a practical consideration those things are related.  He’s not processing quickly enough to the point of decision.
     

    It cracks me up when messages board  users talk about a QB going through progressions.  One because if your first read is open, you don’t progress tothe next option.  Some time Quinn,  for example, gives the defense a false read himself but throws it where he fully intended to go in the first place.  I can’t say with certainty, but we went to the check down pretty quickly this year.  That’s likely not choice two - by maybe it is or maybe in his mind he legit went thru them all.  Then you’re limited as to knowing what a QB is taught.  Then to prove all that out, there has to be some data to support in my opinion.  

    Now, I’ve stated on this board that in my opinion at times he’s too quick to throw.  And that could be considered not going thru progressions. But he was decisive.  And presumably he threw because that WR was open enough.  
     

    Its merely speculative on my part but feel like he’s better trained than most for the next level.  Now it’s largely about putting in the work and consistency of effort.

  9. 5 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/currentisr.html

    Gap between us and #2 is bigger than the gap between #2 and #17.

    I like this cause it fits my narrative.

    WVU at #2.

    Mizzou at #183 versus #152 in the RPI.

    Breaks up the SEC.

    I think to get preferable tourney seeding a moderate to weak non-conference schedule is the way to go.    Compile victories.  WVU may be the test dummy for non-SEC teams though.

    Don’t screw with west coast teams because a number of those schools out west have some pitching to mess you up.  They may not sweep you, but that pitching can take a game or two.

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  10. 58 minutes ago, BERT said:

    Yes, 100% Dilfer is better than Dan Marion. Marion sucks ass, fuck that guy.

    Now that you say that, I agree.  I’d take Dion Marion over Difler though.

    38 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

    Plenty of great college QBs don't have NFL talent. Sam had a lot heart and grit, and that goes a long way in college as long as you have a decent skill set and don't make a ton of mistakes. Sam threw well enough, and was an asset in the run game. Quinn has the better arm and vision, but he had zero mobility (why did Sark call so many zone read type plays where everyone in the stadium knew Quinn would never keep it?), throws off his back foot, not a great deep threat, yada yada. I think the 2024 team would've had a better chance to win a championship with Sam at QB, but it's also possible Sam could've made mistakes that cost us a regular season game or two. Sark would prefer Quinn because he's so sure his system is brilliant and Quinn is a precision instrument he can plug into it. Sark's strategy and situational playcalling has to improve, no matter who plays QB.

    Sark would likely not recruit Sam.  He had an opportunity to have him as his QB.  Ideally he wants the guy that can “make all the throws” Nevermind all those would be incredibly infrequent.  In all my life, I’ve only seen one dude make a 1st down on 3rd and 10 scrambling for the first when the defense dropped 10 guys, but Sark doesn’t care about the dude that “can make all the scrambles.”

    15 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


    Seems like we talk about it every few seasons. Shipley was injury prone when he arrived, Kirk Johnson, Whittington. There have been several players that never see the field for long periods of time because they stay hurt with something. Is it growing faster than their body can support, improper form with lifting or running, something biological? For some, it may be a mental thing.

    Think Whittington and Johnson were related to being too bulky and inflexible this leading to their troubles.  Flexibility issues cause problems.

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  11. 5 hours ago, Enemy07 said:

    How many Championships does he have?

    Are you going down the path that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marion?  That Craig Krenzel is better than, well, a ton of guys?

     

    And by the way I addressed a specific point that had nothing to do with wins and losses.

     

  12. 1 minute ago, MuellerHorn said:

    Do you even SEC, bro?

    SEC losses are better for RPI than other conferences' wins, obviously. Have you not listened to aggy at all the past 13 years?

    I try not to SEC.  
     

    My bitterness and disdain for the SEC  likely never subsides.  I like that WVU has taken to that bogus scheduling.  Win a lot of games, and it’s difficult to root you out.

    i also enjoyed all the close SEC games today.  Aren’t they all barnburners?

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  13. 5 hours ago, Gucci_Suit said:

    I think Sam would score from the 1. But the fact that we didn’t against Ohio St, has nothing to do with QE. That was on Sark. I remember being surprised when Sam completed a 20-ish yard pass against good coverage. And I was always surprised when Quinn didn’t. Sam ran like a bull and never got hurt. Respect that, but he was never the passer that QE is. 

    A few metrics for consideration from PFF between the 2.  Sam had the highest passing grade in a single season.  He had the highest single season big time throw rate and also a higher big time throw rate for his career.  His career turnover worthy play rate was lower too although his frosh year was slightly higher than QEs year 3.  4.1 to 4.0. 

    So there’s at least one reference point that is contrary to your belief. 
     

    You should have said I’m more impressed with QEs arm than Sam’s.

  14. 26 minutes ago, Gucci_Suit said:

    Quinn is and was better than Sam on this and every planet. And I like Sam. 

    Quinn played with more drafted linemen than all Texas QBs combined since what 2008?

    He never played at Texas without a draftable WR, TE or RB.

    He never played without a top 10 defense.

    His only game that we won in which the opponent scored 30+ was ASU.  They got that in OT to get to 31.  Beuchele, Card, Thompson, Sam all lost games scoring more than 31 points.  I don’t think Ewers ever did.

    Theres no valid comparison between Ewers and any QB since Colt.

    Ewers had probably a top 5-ish of all time opportunity.  Same system.  Same staff instructing.  Unmatched offensive talent in Texas history.  There’s not really a close 2nd.

    He’s a more gifted Ken Dorsey without the title.

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  15. 17 minutes ago, msucolt45 said:

    Yes - any defamation type quotes should not be quotes against someone unless you’re willing to put your name on it. Millions ($$) are at stake at this level, not just tongue in cheek remarks to make yourself look better.

    Hook’em!!!

    You think some random, anonymous quote impacts other teams perceptions?  I’d assume that certain confidants share information, but there’d be hope that others are willing to draft guys that’d be detrimental to team goals.

    Thats to say nothing of whether Shedeur cares of his perception otherwise he wouldn’t be the person with that reputation in the first place.

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  16. 6 minutes ago, immamac said:

    More than he's allowed to say. He probably shouldn't have posted that anyway lol. 

    I’ve already forgotten what he posted.

  17. 3 minutes ago, someguy said:

    what if it were the opposite?  What if teams judged the medicals as being less serious than thought?  What if Ewers was seen as soft and milking injuries and wilted at the faintest sign of pressure?  How do those attributes translate to the NFL?  Are those the kinds of attributes that can be coached up or improved upon?

    Well what insight do you have about that?

    Its a curious thought considering several weeks ago it was put out there that he played thru a torn oblique.

    It also would raise several questions about our choices.

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