RomaVicta

Ladies and gentlemen, a New York Times reporter goes out on a limb: I will guess without actually checking that CNN and the rest of the mealy-mouths who dare not declare what they can see will round up the political panel and talk about the most important aspect of this story: Will this give Trump a big boost? They'll have a few guys come on and talk about the danger to the republic. They'll pat Raskin's head and then move to the presidential horse race. A criminal president installed crooked judges throughout the federal system even up to the Supreme Court enabling him to elude profoundly damaging criminal prosecution for stealing state secrets, showing them to foreigners, and hiding them from legal searches. And that's likely not as big a story as Trump refusing to accept his election loss and using various nefarious means to bully election officials or introduce fake electors. And that's not as big a story as inciting an insurrection to overthrow the election by force. Who is getting the most political contributions, Wolf? Yes, who is getting the buggy whip vote, you idiots? I couldn't agree more with those saying Biden should publish the evidence against Trump. This is no longer the football game with rules inside the stadium. This is a war outside the stadium rendering the game inside irrelevant. Stop twiddling your thumbs waiting for kickoff, Dems. Go to the war before it comes to you. What has come to be known as "the right" declared war on everybody else decades ago. We were complacent counting on law and the system and the naive notion that deep down we're all the same. We're not. I'm shocked to be writing any of this.

Thanks for that, Brisket. I guess courts and juries will ultimately decide, but I still am not convinced that Baldwin had some supervision/actual knowledge of the circumstances on set. He likely had far less specific knowledge of what was going on around the set than a production assistant manning the craft services (snack) table. I doubt he ever did anything supervisory regarding the crew other than to ask for a Diet Coke or ask someone to get out of his eye line. I wasn't there, so I can't say definitively.

Wouldn't supervising those things have to be part of a job description somewhere? Are the producers and executive producers who were not present on the set because it was not their job (some likely just got fees for finding money or the script) be similarly liable? If Baldwin's only role as a producer was as part of the creative team (likely) with no responsibilities for anything to do with crew, production management, scheduling, or anything other than developing the story, what would you say his liability might be? I'm not a lawyer, so the questions are unprejudiced. I do know movie making.

Every entry on the first page refers to this quote from the prosecutor. Why doesn't she claim what you're claiming, that he violated the strict rules about guns on a movie set and had done so often? Maybe because it's only bullshit that amateur political operatives keep shamelessly repeating. They weren’t shooting a scene. What do you suppose they were doing on a set with the director of photography (DP) behind the camera, and the director right behind her, and the star in front of the camera? Truly, what possible activity do you suppose was going on? He had no need of a weapon. Correct. He was neither hunting, nor defending himself, nor exercising his sacred right to belong to a well ordered militia. However, he did have need of a prop for the scene they were about to shoot. I suppose you know that even in Westerns the actors aren't handling loaded weapons. They're handling firearms that are props. They are in no way intended to be weapons. The whiskey bottles don't contain real whisky, either. The bottles are real, the contents are not. He was fucking around with it and shot the woman who died of his actions regardless of armorer ineptness. What? You speciously claim there was no scene being shot (the walk through prior to rolling camera is part of shooting a scene, Orson), and now you build on that lie by saying, with the same support your other remarks are upheld by, that ol' Alec was just fucking around. By sheer coincidence, Alec wandered into a room where no scene was shooting then happened to encounter the DP and director and other members of the crew. Before he knows it, a "weapon" appears in his hand and he's going all Buffalo Bill Cody's Wild West Show. Shame on you for exploiting the death a woman widely loved and admired by colleagues including Baldwin. Halyna Hutchins First rule don’t point a gun at someone loaded or unloaded. I hope the family nails his ass since the agreement is in breach. You're a very small and shameless person who evidently finds his identity in parroting hate-based lies about a person whose politics you disagree with. I think the word is despicable. Fuck you for repeating bullshit you know nothing about. Negged. Knowingly and frequently repeating lies and lame sophistry is at least as bad as creating the original lie. The original lie may have been an error or have been atoned for. Negged. Point by point responses above in the quote box. If a court finds Baldwin owes damages as part owner of the rights, then he should pay. There's usually insurance for that and the production is a corporation unto itself with limited liability. The prosecution on manslaughter and any criminal liability have been made ridiculous yet again. Give it up.

Et tu, Brisket. How well do you know the responsibilities of various producers associated with a film project? The most common false assumption throughout has been that modern producers are all like David O. Selznick. He's not. You know better than I if he has liability as a part owner of the product, but he had zero responsibilities for running the set. I've worked on films.

BOOM! Although, they'd choke on saying African Americans.

A dull-minded, unsupported blanket statement condemning Hollywood and the media is one clue. Doherty was outspoken about her political leanings. The math seems pretty easy. I was wanting to deter CR rather than encourage it. The above is all I'll have to say. Written without rancor.

Wes Anderson on line one. A Film by Wes Anderson Starring Tilda Swinton, With Edward Norton Bill Murray Jason Schwartzman Narrated by Alec Baldwin

That's between them and the Comanche.

A little CR trying to sneak in.

She's being taken pretty lightly in this thread. She had the kooky beauty and brought a unique shade to her every role. In Roxanne, some critics raised the interesting question that Martin should have been in love with Duval instead of Hannah. Sounds like she was largely happy in retirement. I'm glad. RIP

Beautiful, difficult, maybe a little nuts. I hate to see this happen. I hope it all went as well as it could. RIP

Another tiresome outrage, both the murder and the coverage: The template here is the mission objective above all else, so you bury the lede/lead. The priority: How big was the big leader and architect of evil that we [almost] killed? How brave were we? Collateral damage (dead and injured non-combatants) Is the collateral damage acceptable considering the target? Does killing the leader do anything, really? Are we just ballyhooing this decapitation strategy to cover the ineffectiveness of other operations and the lack of imagination for considering alternatives to using a goddamn sledgehammer most of the time? It increasingly looks like cheap theater for the idiots at home. Hey, we killed the fuck out of that bad guy! Just like in the movies. Shame we couldn't torture him for awhile although I wouldn't have the stomach to watch the real thing. How many terrorist leaders have we killed? Many, I hope. How many people have been wrongly targeted? Too many. We're great at bombing weddings and family reunions. But we didn't mean to. My mind always goes back to the shepherd in Afghanistan we blew up because in the night, from hundreds of feet in the air, he seemed tall like Osama and appeared to be wearing a head wrap keffiyeh like an Arab might. Hello, hellfire missile. How many nearby people are killed? Too many, although I will allow for likely colleagues of the terrorist. Israel doesn't give a shit about any of this as Netenyahu applies American bombs. Maybe use two 1000 pound bombs instead of one 2000 pound bomb. Same difference. For one guy: Fuck the Israeli government and any Israelis who support this. Fuck any US racist who seizes on this to justify moving against Jewish citizens of this country. It's a big stinking kettle of bloody shit.

Theres a very moving vigil for Trump's ear outside of Trump Tower. I hope they light candles for the ex-presidential ear. I hope they find solace among the mutually shaken. I will say that I thought the writing was reflecting the tired use of a template for murders, assassinations, mass shootings, or however we're shooting each other here in the USA. Now I think the writer is being arch. Too bad such subtlety is mostly wasted on a literalist readership.

I'm only reading this fast moving thread in bits. A former president has nowhere near the same security apparatus as a sitting president. Trump likely has added security as a candidate, but does it match that of a sitting president? Apologies if this has already been covered.

Compliments on the way you've expressed your difference of opinion. Too often, the difference is taken personally.

You describe an incomplete movie that should have come with instructions, but you want to deride critics for not liking it? I haven't seen it. I have no opinion about the quality. If I buy a movie ticket, I expect a complete story well told. Period.

It never occured to me to make that connection. Very apt.

I admire your honesty. The first sentence of the above paragraph shades my response to this incident. It's poor form to cheer violence, but we cheer the fuck out of it when it's visited on an enemy. How else can one view an existential threat to the republic? Murder should never be part of politics, but are we actually involved in politics right now? Seems like more to me.

Hear hear. The incident is disappointing.

This just about defines the pathological part of the spectrum of Aggie Delusions of Grandeur. To be fair, the post is not embraced by the responders except for one. Still, it's illustrative of reddest-assiest multi-generational Aggie mindset. Wow. What else can one say? 1 Look how a secure-in-his-place-in-the-world Aggie opts to claim equal footing with a peer. No trace of envy in capitalizing your own name and putting ebil t.u. in lowercase. Self-assurance. Good to see. 2 Heady company! For t.u. and Florida, of course. 3 You're the sanest person I've ever met. Ah, he has more questions. Drumroll for the big finish. No hilighting required for this marvel of a summary. I think that I try to be fair to the Aggies when there is a funny or apt post. I'll continue it here. In the Mack era, their board let some pretty good dark humor and realists creep onto the site. They represent A&M's only real hope for the future. We know better than to think, "hey, maybe their drifting towards normality!" Imagined power shifters with imagined edge! Not like the fags in that city to the west. Nice echo of the homophobic and general prejudice of A&M before whatever they're identifying as the "modern era" these days.

It's often used, but I still get transfixed with this gif. There's so much humanity in it. Every face reflects shocking, demoralizing defeat. I would have put this image on that space probe that, I think, has finally exited the solar system after decades. Solar system's a big motherfucker.

They got rid of the shitty head coach that got them to a title game then upgraded by hiring an assistant. Try to keep up.

All of the guys he is recruiting have never played for him. That's maybe the dumbest thing I've ever read without having misspelled words. Imagine, only being able to recruit guys whom you haven't coached. This must be the only time in the history of college sports that this has happened! Schloss must be an awful coach and person because none of the Aggie players went with him. Another first in history! Usually the whole team ups and moves. Too bad for those players to be tricked into playing for the guy that raised a going-nowhere program to the CWS Finals. They're not just likely headed for doom, but they've passed up the chance to be Aggies and have an honor code and maybe a ring. No Howdy for you!

Making a movie about that clown show prosecutor's office might make for some good black comedy.