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No, see, “don’t complain, be exceptional” is advice that only applies to minorities when being lectured by white people. “Work harder, bootstraps, quit whining, be exceptional!” Totally cool when society spends generations telling minorities that, totally awful, no good, very bad when anyone tells that to white men.
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What percentage of black men have a dad who is/was a doctor, lawyer, etc? What percentage of white men have a dad who is/was a doctor, lawyer, etc? That’s the systemic advantage. And the gap there remains huge. That factor alone is hugely determinative of a person’s success. Kid of a ditch digger is much less likely to achieve great success than the kid of a professional (and the grandkid, and great grandkid). And generations of history and practice made that gap, it hasn’t come even close to going away. White men continue to ride the wave of the generational advantages of 300 fucking years. Now, that wave is 6 feet instead of 10. Waaaah. Yeah, I know that a bazillion angry white men is bad for society. But…and this is important…fuck em. Fuck their entitled whiny asses. Want something? Fucking earn it. Work HARDER. You know, all the things they tell minorities even today.
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Again, if someone says that about Charlie Kirk, the Trump DOJ would be bringing charges.
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Indeed. Being poor is another layer -- and a big, fat layer -- in the shit sandwich of American life. It's why I'm a huge fan of community colleges, getting first-gen kids through college and such, etc. Yeah, college isn't for everyone, but damn....it opens the door to the professional classes, and not just for the first generation. For FUTURE generations. An influential teacher who got my dad to think of, and then go to college, is a large part of the reason I'm successful. I had a leg-up because I was born to a college-educated father, with a professional degree and license (nothing fancy, petroleum engineer working for the government, but it was stability, and gave me examples and expectations). But back to whiny white guys, by far the biggest factors crushing them are (1) women have entered the work force, and not just in "women's jobs" like teaching and nursing, but in all manner of professional fields, and (2) women are smart and have an aptitude for the very things that make one successful academically and professionally. E.g., women are much less likely to spend formative educational years in their parents' basement playing COD 12 hours a day. Once we allowed women to compete....they started kicking our asses, and it ain't getting any better for those of us equipped with a dingus. As much as there are strong retrograde impulses in society and government right now, that genie is never going back in the bottle. Get used to it, white guys. Want to do better? Then BE better. You know, the meritocracy you love to shout about, the key first step is "have some fucking merit."
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The growth in percentage of "more disadvantaged" among the professional ranks has been slower going, but it IS happening. See my comment about the increasing percentage of minority candidates, and a fair number are not from families that already had "professionals" in them. Not nearly enough, mind you. Overcoming structural income and social inequality issues takes time measured in generations. But also consider that PART of that is hiring more minorities from the get-go, simply because THOSE minorities (the more educated, more privileged ones) often have much stronger connections to a network of more disadvantaged people. STATISTICALLY, a given young black or hispanic lawyer is more likely to know people, know schools, etc. that have a larger population of disadvantaged folks. Both things are true: some things can be done in the short-term, but seeing genuine positive results of not just improvements in race or gender ratios, but seeing improvements that also include lifting up more disadvantaged folks, takes time. BUT, counter....for the longest time, it didn't matter whether you were a poor mexican, or a well-to-do mexican, the firm of Whitey and Whitness in Dallas wasn't gonna hire you. It wasn't the "poor" that shut you out (although that sure as shit didn't help). It was the brown. Or black.
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An I respect your perspective. As you know, I don't and have never hired in that world. I've hired lawyers, pastoral staff, church-related operations executive staff, and such (that is....trained members of "professions"). And with respect to those....I've seen white men getting their butts kicked, and objectively so. Shit, I remember when my wife commented, when she was in seminary and working with her peer group, "I'm gonna tell you, if you need to hire a decent pastor anytime soon, you're gonna hire a woman." Sure enough, of the 8 awards handed out at graduation, 7 went to women (including my wife, cuz she's awesome). I know anecdotes aren't evidence, but from my perspective of hiring professionals, women typically have the strong edge in numbers, and among all genders, the percentage of quality minority candidates continues to climb.
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Except....we both noted that they are NOT mainly the same. While white men are still disproportionately represented in the younger ranks, women are beginning to stomp them in both quantity and quality. Again, give me a pool of 10 randomly selected high-quality candidates with less than 4 years of practice, probably 7 outta 10 are going to be female. Minorities are still trailing in representation, but they are making gains. Bottom line, 30 years ago, 80% of the incoming class of high-quality attorneys would be white males. Today? Maybe 40%. That's a precipitous decline.....but white males are STILL slightly overrepresented compared to population.
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At ACL this year, my wife and I ended up befriending and hanging out with a couple about our age. They were French, but lived right on the border in Luxembourg and both worked in Luxembourg. She was super cute, and she and my wife were very much vibing together, and talking about what to do after the music shut down, and where they were staying. And, I mean, cute little blonde french gal with a great accent. Come on. Was there a chance to go back to the hotel with a cute French/Luxembourgish couple and set up a story that I would only tell people in person, never post in writing? I choose to believe that there was, we were all just too tired to make it happen when everything wrapped up. That's what I'm going with, because that narrative makes me happy. Don't take that away from me.
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No question that there's been plenty of lazy execution in multiple places and instances. But again, no worries, we've solved it. We have not just banned any consideration of race or gender in even recruiting, we have implemented a system where hiring someone who is NOT a white male is per se evidence of discrimination against white males in favor of sub-standard minority and female candidates (because let's be honest....we all know that minorities and women are inherently substandard, amirite?) "If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified." "If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?" That's where we are now, that's the governing social ethos, so the author doesn't need to worry his pretty little white head anymore. He's won.
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I won't say there's nothing to his point -- there is. I think our society is failing males across the board in numerous ways, so white males are included. But let's look at the statistical basis for his core complaint. White males are 28-30% of the population. He is lamenting the following things: Let me summarize those numbers: for ever and ever, white males occupied a disproportionately HIGH percentage of slots in those fields. Now they don't. And that's wrong. Oh, and my reasoning doesn't apply at all to the previous....decades/centuries of such statistically skewed favoritism of white males. Nope. I approach this like aggy, I only count the period of my choice (1984-1994, when aggy went 10-1). But as for his point that the pendulum swinging hit his generation harder....yeah, he's not wrong. But also, get the fuck in line. I'm Gen-X. The serial buttfucking we've received and will continue to receive from Boomers (and then, from the author's generation and Gen Z, because they are beginning to assert power and outnumber us) is epic and will continue to be). Summary from Brisket: don't come bitching to me about your generation getting fucked. Nope, shut the fuck up, I am going to tune your ass out because nobody ever has and nobody ever will give a fuck about our generation, so fuck off. But also, he should feel very, very, very comforted, because we are now charging headlong into the golden age of "mediocre white men get all preferences over anyone else, regardless of merit," so take heart, millennials! Your day is here! Note that I am confident that you will NOT be bitching about the currently skewed hiring, political placements, etc. that is happening. Nope, that's just returning to the mean - white male favoritism - that we never should have lost. Oh, and as to the layer of "we've passed gender parity," yeah, I got bad news for him. I've recruited and hired people in several fields (remember, I sit on some volunteer boards and have served in an HR capacity on some). Our searches are sure as hell gender neutral. In my experience, the quality of the candidate pool is NOT gender neutral. Hate to break it to you fellas, but in the professional (non-technical) world, quality female candidates outnumber quality males probably 2-1 or better. We still hire the best candidate we can get, but the law of averages alone tells us that said person is more likely to be female these days. He is not looking inward at all on the QUALITY of white guy candidates these days. Being bitter, entitled, often unlikeable, with poor social skills (online video games don't develop strong people skills) isn't a great look. Be better, white dudes. And note....I think there IS a broader social responsibility for this: our systems (educational, social, etc.) are failing males in general. In summary: fuck 'em. And I say this as the father of a boy who is essentially a Gen Z white male. He knows and has had drilled into his head that he needs to set himself apart. I don't see the author lamenting the fact that young black men have had to get similar lectures from their parents for decades -- you have to be perfect, you have to be the one who never says anything but "yes sir" and "no sir" to the cops, etc. Poor me, waah waah waah. Yeah, I know, having a bunch of pissed off young white guys isn't great for society, but fucking hell, zero personal responsibility or ownership of their fate. Just shit that boils down to "I didn't get all the unfair advantages my predecessor generations had." Nope, you didn't. But you're getting them now, this admin is making sure of it. And not a single one of you is even thinking to CONSIDER that the pendulum might be swinging too far back in THEIR direction.
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"fashion trend"
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Every time I post "dumbest. timeline. ever.".....could Surly just auto-fill in "SO FAR." That would be helpful, thanks.
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Bottom line, this is the new rule in the US: If the regime doesn't like your ethnicity (and if you ain't white....they don't like your ethnicity), they can (1) grab you, (2) place the burden of proof on YOU to prove that you are a citizen, and then (3) say "whatever, we don't believe that your documents are legit," and hold you for days/weeks. Note that item 3 applies to birth certificates, Real IDs, Passports, EVERYTHING -- all they have to say is "we don't believe it's real," and they get to toss you in the hole and keep you there. Just Kavanaugh stops, nothing to see here. Oh, and every single MAGA is 100% ok with this.
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Unless it's a Charlie Kirk shirt, in which case if you point out what a poon he looks like, you will be arrested and jailed in Tennessee.
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Yeah, that's what you call a "tell." "Both sides suck" is about a 95% accurate predictor of "I'ma vote GQP for everything."
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It's amazing how that take is always offered as a complete deflection of all criticism of the current regime. 1 -- someone points out the fucking insane/evil/criminal shit the regime is doing. 2 -- "whatever, all politicians are bad" (meaning "so I'm going to ignore and look right past every one of the objectively awful things you pointed out, and continue supporting the regime, because I can't vote Dem because they want trans for everyone") It's the handwave that allows them to ignore all bad facts about their chosen condition, and keep in keeping on with their support of the unsupportable.
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He might gain points. Because raiding the treasury would make anyone not a member of the cult pissed off, and that = "owning the libs," and that is literally all that matters. Does it hurt someone I hate? Then it's GOOD!
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Belgium still isn't a country. I will die on that hill.
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AFFORDABILITY IS A DEMOCRAT HOAX! ALSO, I BASED MUCH OF MY CAMPAIGN ON AFFORDABILITY!
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Well, that's good. If you're gonna get cancer, you certainly don't want to pay for it. JK -- congrats, man. Have a celebratory holiday. Two chicks at the same time, all that stuff.
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"The motive was clearly against physics." Man. That's a tough motive. "FUCK YOU, FORCE EQUAL MASS TIMES ACCELERATION!" That's a grudge that carries a real uphill climb. "Maybe if I shoot enough people, gravity won't make things move towards objects with greater mass!" Yep. Killing - outside of war (and even in it) - is an intensely personal act. Most motives are just that, personal. And often really fucked up and twisted, because you've got to get yourself in a pretty fucked up place to conclude "killing people is what I really need to do."
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Having seen a parade of these grousing types for decades - that is, utterly mediocre white males, of which there are metric shitton (just as - spoiler - there are among EVERY demo) - this is utterly unsurprising. Because one thing they very much lack is self awareness. They aren’t actually mad that people with greater merit are being bypassed. They’re mad that people with no special merit have lost their built-in, systemic advantages. Mediocre Mike used to have a pretty easy path to prosperity. Maybe it included a legacy admission to a university. He got to network with people his dad did business with. Connections got him a job among other similar and like-minded white men. He drew a nice income, and coasted along, with moderate effort. Mediocre Mike is not being “disadvantaged” by a system that says “maybe we shouldn’t just hire folks who know and grew up with people who work here; maybe we should interview candidates at Prairie View and UTEP.” He’s just lost his advantages and privileges. “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” It’s not complicated. And watching this reflexive counter-movement that is purposefully elevating and rewarding obviously mediocre white men makes the truth that much more stark. “No more DEI!” means, in actual operation, “hire/advance/admit as many white dudes as you can, without much consideration of competence.” In short, it’s everything they accuse “DEI” of being (which, of course, it’s not). Dumbest. Timeline. We are practically building monuments to Mediocre Mikes and Incompetent Ikes nationwide, and trust me, we look like fucking idiots.
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