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Brisketexan

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  1. 6 minutes ago, skittlebrau said:

    Yep. That was the one. We had a good experience, but It's been quite a while since we lived in that part of town. Never officially became members. Cool to hear.

     

    Which makes me think, what would a place like that do if there wasn't a split? Ignore the new rules?

    A lot of congregations have been doing just that -- going about their business and generally practicing in a way that reflects the faith and conscience of that congregation's membership.

  2. 27 minutes ago, skittlebrau said:

    We've stopped going to our local UMC over the last vote and will return when this is through. Individual churches previously had more discretion. We went to one in north Austin that had a rainbow flag and a lady pastor with a rainbow stole for a while.

    St Johns?  FANTASTIC church, and their pastor is AMAZING. Seriously, she's brilliant.  And she's also one of my wife's dearest and best friends.  And also, I have a little bit of a crush on her, that everyone knows about.  I admire smart and capable women.

  3. 10 minutes ago, Telegraph_it said:

    For real. I doubt our military game plans for stuff like this. 

     

    5 minutes ago, maninblack said:

    In reality there's a game plan for a war with every country in the world. I'm not kidding. Some like Iceland may have only one initial scenario that gets updated every decade or so but other countries that are on the hit list like Iran have multiple plans that are updated frequently.

    Yep.  There's no doubt that the military has game plans for dozens of scenarios involving Iran.  But, spoiler: many of those scenarios involve a shitload of dead Americans and/or dead civilians. I mean, we have fucking game plans for multiple nuclear war scenarios.  Hooray!  I don't want a single one of those fucking game plans being put into play.

    And that's only the plan for military action.  We're concerned about the plan -- or lack thereof - for provocation of an Iranian response.

    2 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

    Yes, the board knows your feelings toward Trump.  While I wouldn't wish him death, I do think him not being President would be healthy for the US and the globe.

    The alternative way to view the public attack and letting the world know we did it and why? Deterrence.  

    Yes.  Because deterrence has worked so well.  After all, we showed the world that we're willing to invade a country and occupy it for 18 years and counting, and killing tens of thousands of people, and as a result...[checks notes]....folks in the region are still trying to kill us, folks in that country are still trying to kill us, and we're actually negotiating with the group we pushed out of power to allow them to [checks notes again, ignores bbq sauce stain on notes, they're old notes] return to power.

    I used to believe in the deterrent power of American force.  And I still do, at a REALLY high level -- that is, no nation state is going to launch a full-on attack on American soil, because they know that they would face a full and devastating reprisal.  If Iran managed to blow up downtown Houston, for example, we'd have no choice but to launch a devastating counter-attack on their soil.  But this isn't WWII.  This war will be relatively low-intensity, so as to take our overwhelming power out of the mix.  

  4. 8 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

    Mike Pompeo is another in a long line of people that Trump brings into his fold, chews up and spits out as a empty husk, moves on, and acts like he's never heard of. 

    He doesn't care what Pompeo thinks. He doesn't care what Jerry Falwell thinks. He cares what they can do for him. You don't have to twist everything to fit your narrative; there's plenty of real stuff to worry about.

    Exactly - he cares about what they can do for him.  And what does Dotard care about/what does he want them to do for him?  One thing: adoration/ego-stroking.  Where does he get it?  A riled up base, chanting his name at rallies and shit.  And who delivers that base?  Yep. the fundagelicals.  Dotard needs them to love him.  He needs it like the rest of us need oxygen.  His Israel-fellating and embassy-moving shows us that he's plenty willing to pander to that crowd, to earn their love.

  5. 4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    “There is the potential for a stair-step escalation of attacks, and we must think several moves ahead to determine how far we will take this — and what the new level of conflict we are prepared to engage in,” he said.

    Well then, thank GOD we're led by that notable chess-master, Donald J. Trump.  All will be well!

  6. 1 minute ago, BradInATX said:

    I doubt it. Trump respects dictators and the uber-wealthy, not a bunch of zany religious zealots. I'm sure he looks at them the same way he looks at his blue-collar base - useful idiots.

    There's a lot to be concerned about. This isn't one of them. Chicken little nonsense like this is part of the reason the impeachment, which covers valid crimes that should have him expelled from office, is going over like a lead balloon. The media, Twitter, and some democrats have overplayed their concern hands, and now it's all been tuned out by the general public.

     

    So, Mike Pompeo has no influence?  Interesting.  Trump's desire to be beloved by his fawning, fellating base of Falwell, Franklin Graham, etc. has no bearing?  Also interesting.

  7. Just now, SquishMitten said:

    Maybe that could be a problem in other parts of the world. But if they have an agreement that all US-based churches are to remain the property of the UMC, then the local folks can't just say no. They'd just be trespassing at that point. I'd assume most countries have similar laws regarding ownership as well. 

    The law on ownership of church property is not uniform in the U.S.  Property laws are almost entirely a creature of state law, which in turn interprets/depends upon the actual documentation and ownership arrangements already in place.  So, in one state, the denomination might own the property, in another, the local congregation owns the property.  It helps if the denomination has a uniform approach that is documented in a way that establishes ownership in the denomination in every state.  Otherwise, it can get complicated as hell (there's literally books written on the subject).

  8. 1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

    Historically churches change their views or stances frequently. Presumably some parishioners get to the new view before the church does.

    No!  Faith can never evolve!  Personally, that's why I am planning to go full-Abraham and climb a mountain to sacrifice my son.  Human sacrifice -- it's in the Bible! You can look it up!

  9. Just now, BradInATX said:

    Not remotely concerning. There is a zero percent chance Trump gives a shit what any "evangelical advisors" think or say. He is not religious in the slightest.

    There's a 100% chance that every one of the dominionist nutbars in his sphere of influence can play him into taking whatever action they want him to take.  He's the most easily manipulated world leader of our lifetime.

  10. I, for one, CELEBRATE this attack that took out a warmonger who believes that God has ordained his country's leadership with divine blessing for armed conflict to take on a rival nation. Enough of these violent theocrats supporting violence in the name of God!

    Wait...what's that?

    Quote

    What did Pompeo say?

    He was asked if "President Trump right now has been sort of raised for such a time as this, just like Queen Esther, to help save the Jewish people from an Iranian menace".

    "As a Christian, I certainly believe that's possible," said Mr Pompeo, a former member of Congress for Kansas and CIA director.

    "I am confident that the Lord is at work here," he added.

    Oh....

    Furk.....

  11. 2 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

    Is that a question or a request?  Interesting issue. If foreigners die at Trump properties at the hands of Iranians, would the US go to war to protect Trump’s personal assets?  

    We know the answer. 

    Actually, I DO have an interesting question -- what's the insurance like on those?  For example, many policies have a terrorism/act of war exclusion.  If that's the case, then blow up a Trump tower, and the ownership group eats the loss.  But, you can buy a rider that would COVER terrorism or acts of war.  For properties with "Trump" on them, I would think the premium would be, ummm...high.  From an insurance coverage and actuarial risk assessment perspective, it's kinda interesting.  And I try to find interesting diversions to think about these days.  Because the primary plot line SUCKS.

  12. 3 minutes ago, Goredho said:

    Well, given the collective intelligence exhibited by Americans these days, I'm going with it being a no-shit alien invasion that everyone thinks is a bunch of fucking drones in an inverse of Orson Welles' War of the Worlds.

    The only way to be sure is to monitor local hospitals for anal probe injuries.

    The one thing I've learned from watching years of UFO stuff: aliens love to probe butts.

  13. 6 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

    Think about whose calling the shots here: Donald Trump.  The wording of the DOD press release makes it clear that Trump ordered this.  Not that this was a joint administration decision. I have a theory that part of this was driven by the Ayatollah taunting Trump yesterday that he wouldn't do anything. Which means he's reacting viscerally (which isn't a surprise.).  Now, given Trump's incompetence and mental state, you can make a valid argument as to whether this option should have even been presented to him.  He's Donald Trump, how the fuck is he gonna know what we can do or not do?  Give him the option of donking off some 3rd Tier Iranian in Yemen and call it a fucking day. 

    Which leads me to how this plays out.  What happens the first time the Iranian's manage to sneak a mine or a couple exocets through a carrier group and you have the news playing video of the Truman on fire in the Persian Gulf?  How's he likely to react to that? 

     

    Yeah.  There's a non-zero chance that Staboned is going to run out of opportunities to post his "happy no-nukes day" posts.  Seriously.  Does anyone think that petulant, enraged, infantile Trump has any restraint against popping off a nuke in response when Iran takes out one of our capital ships in the Gulf?

  14. Previous American protestant church splits have been over issues like slavery (southern churches supported it and split off from northern churches), and the ordination of women.  Now, it's ordination and/or marriage of thuh gayz (side note -- generally, it's not even REQUIRED...it's typically just allowed, if a particular congregation wants to do so).

    I gotta hand it to some congregations -- they are truly dedicated to being on the wrong side of things.  Sigh.

  15. 1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

    French's argument, in its entirety, is "we're in Iraq legally and he was in Iraq so killing him was legal." That's not a terribly compelling legal argument.

    Yeah, I'm having a bit of trouble with it.  He was a government official of a third-party country.  Let's say, for example, a Spanish general landed at Baghdad airport, and we smoked him (for whatever reason -- legit, not, doesn't matter for the purpose of this inquiry).  Would that have fallen within the AUMF?  Is Iraq as a whole a complete free-fire zone, per the AUMF -- the POTUS can kill anyone and everyone within the borders of Iraq, with no limitations?

    Honestly, I'm asking the question -- if the AUMF is written that fucking broadly, and French is right....then that's a really fucking stupid AUMF.  Then again, "really fucking stupid" is our brand, so I wouldn't be too surprised.

  16. 1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

    I'm reminded of Apocalypse now

    You shouldn't be.

    Apocalypse Now was orders of magnitude more sane than our current direction.  My kingdom for the sage wisdom and maturity of Colonel Kurtz as president.

  17. 1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

    You already have your answer from others that Pelosi, Schumer, etc. were not briefed.  

    Now let it sink in that Eric Trump was briefed and boasting on twitter about it, when the senior elected members of the opposition weren’t, including the Speaker of the House.   

    Eric Trump.  

    This.

    Imagine if fucking Amy Carter, or Malia Obama, or Jenna Bush, had been "read in"....and fucking BOASTED ABOUT...a US Military attack before it happened.  Jesus shitdicks, this is the DUMBEST FUCKING TIMELINE.

  18. 4 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

    and probably pompeo. 

    i'm just sick to my stomach and kind of depressed. we are at the point to where our fates are up to the whims of a madman. or, more precisely, mad men, which is really all that remains of the cabinet of the president of the united states. pompeo, kush, miller, and trump. 

    fuck me and fuck us.

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    ...join me....but fair warning, it's getting crowded.

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