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Posts posted by Brisketexan
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2 hours ago, Iceman said:
Or just be able to prove your allegations after 3 years...
Should be easy with the overwhelming evidence. Just choose something...
or just claim obstruction when someone doesn't comply with the railroad job/ witch hunt.
It's working!!!
You know, after all of this, maybe I just want one thing.
I want all Republicans and Trump sycophants to be consistent on the burden of proof. We all know that literally thousands of people are in prison as a result of cases with LESS evidence than Trump's. I want the RepubliTrumpkins to insist on the same burden of proof for, oh, say, black and brown criminal defendants on any charge.
I want Trumpublicans marching outside the courthouse when Jorge his on trial, insisting that he CANNOT be convicted without a "smocking gun." We have a new burden of proof for criminal conviction - it apparently requires a written, signed confession, with 10 witnesses, and video of the crime being committed (maybe -- I doubt that would be sufficient to convict Trump in the eyes of the Trumpkins, but let's pretend it would be). Apply that standard to EVERYONE. Do it, you gutless fucking hypocritical orange cock-gobblers. Do it. For once in your pathetic, simpering lives, be consistent.
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1 minute ago, workswithseed said:
It means that it would dictate a large section of construction, and getting rid of airplanes entirely. That's not even close to a free market.
I mean do you even know that they do, it seems like a change from the old with the same name. Republican is a blanket term for many people. Do you think Cabin Log Republicans support Trump?
Yes. They do. There is no party outside the party of Trump. The party is defined by one core value: complete fealty to Trump. So, if they don't support Trump, guess what? They aren't Republicans. They aren't welcome to sit at the table, they don't get to develop policy ideas, nothing.
Come on, man. If you personally are a Republican, you support Trump. And Stephen Miller. And a Senate that serves only Him, not the people. You know it, so just admit it.
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Just now, High Plains Drifter said:
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Don't get me wrong, I agree with the sentiment, but obviously you've never met a Young Conservative of Texas. Those idiots make College Republicans look like Maoists.
Anyone remember Corey Birenbaum? Little dipshit was in a gov't seminar I took -- big class, and the curriculum was a mock state constitutional convention. As we're debating a provision that would prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, Corey stood up and gave a lengthy spittle-flecked rant about the evils of the queers and such. He runs on and on, bug-eyed. When he finally finishes, there's a moment of silence, and a voice in the lecture hall says "geez....would you just come out of the damned closet already!"
Biggest laugh I've ever heard in a UT classroom.
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1 hour ago, Underdog said:
That's Daniel Boone.Â
I thought it was Owen Wilson?
13 minutes ago, BradInATX said:She does need to chill out tho. She's right and Trump sucks but she's going to grow up really maladjusted I'm afraid.
A lotta people are. Of a shitload of political persuasions. Because we live in times defined by rage, hate, cruelty, and lies. Kinda hard to grow up in that stewpot and not end up fucked up.
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It's a little thing, but I'm old enough that I still watch the evening news with some regularity, or at least have it on in the background as I'm shutting down for the evening. KEYE is Sinclair-owned, so I never have it on. Â
Fuck 'em. They'll still take any revenue they make off of extra eyeballs and support Trump. They still won't get my support, I hope they fucking go bankrupt.
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2 minutes ago, workswithseed said:
Nice large blanket there, hope you don't smother everyone who doesn't agree with you with it.
You don't have to agree with me.
Just don't support the party that has Donald Trump and Stephen Miller in power, and doesn't care about the rule of law at all. That's all.
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10 minutes ago, bernorange said:
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You fucking beat me to this by 10 minutes.

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What I like is their platform of "hey, we're cool with being the party of racism, xenophobia, cruelty, a toddler president who rants like a shit-spewing infant, zero regard for the rule of law....but we have to look like we care about trees and shit" -- and they think that will work.
Fuck 'em.
Wanna know how a Republican can impress me? Stop being one.
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It’s only vague and pedantic to people who have not read the report.Â
And to people who see that your priorities are insanely out of whack. Don’t forget those people. So, like, most people. -
Nah. It's mostly just that any serious post you make gets lost in dozens of posts full of nothing but vague, pedantic bullshit. That's on you.
If you take away vague, pedantic bullshit, Anastasis would turn to dust. -
I assume those resemble actual egg rolls?
I'm talking about pizza rolls with salty greasy vegetable matter in them. Glorious.
Oh, yeah, definitely a different product. But you could get a larger volume of salty greasy “Asian” goodness for cheaper. That was tough to beat.
I think you can still get those...I could swear I’ve had them somewhere the past few years. But, I mean...I was surely drunk, so... -
I seriously expected a little more posting integrity out of this crew. Not sure why.Â
When you stand in the middle of the street yelling about low priority stuff, you don’t much respect. Shocker.
We have an admin that does what you’re supposedly so worried about, but they do it in violation of the law and will face no consequences because their criminal organization controls the only body that could hold them accountable. And that merits effectively zero concern from you.
So you’ll understand why sane people think you’re making an ass of yourself. Wait...you won’t understand that at all. Zero self awareness. -
Totally OT, but also strangely related.
Those fucking Chun King eggrolls were the bomb. They need to come back.
Rivaling the French Bread Pizza for endangering the roof of the mouth.
When you could get the case of Mihn egg rolls at Sams Club, Chun King was doomed. -
You secure that shit, Hudson.
You may not be wrong, but if you can suck air, then you can grab another walk packet and knock some doors. Â Fuck your pity party. Â If this country can survive a full blown civil war, than we can survive a this.Â
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Do I think Trump has a 50/50 chance of winning? Yes.  Do I also understand the demographics of this country and that the Democrats won, bigly, in 2018? Yes. I don’t know about you, but my North Texas grandmother didn’t raise any mewling tittybabies.  Maybe you should step up.
Contributing money like I’ve never done before. Actively advising some local candidates. Will take off Election Day to help any way I can, including working the hotline.
I fucking LOVE lost causes. It’s where I often do my best fighting.
I just don’t have any delusions about our chances. Become the other side won’t follow rules. Any rules. At all.-
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I'm still the same. I just react to Brisket at times because he's one of the few peeps around here who generally engages in conversations honestly and I find his current hysteria a bit puzzling given the years of (less emotionally driven) conversations we have had. I don't like seeing him out on that ledge.
You shouldn’t like it.
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Did you sleep through Bill Clinton's administrations?
Nope. And his reckless and narcissistic disregard for the rule of law royally pissed me off. He had party support. Which pissed me off.
But he never said “fuck it, let’s double down. No rules.” Not like this. You and I both know this is a whole nother level. There are no limits, and there is no firewall. -

This shit still vexes me:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/01/19/james-clappers-perjury-dc-made-men-dont-get-charged-lying-congress-jonathan-turley-column/1045991001/
Brisket, surely you know that Presidents have been getting away with shit since forever. Sure, once in a while a scandal surfaces and some measure of accountability is had, but only a fool would think Iran-Contra, Watergate, Filegate, etc. were the only malfeasance going on during their respective administrations. I'm not saying malfeasance in the past excuses malfeasance in the present. I'm saying that your hysteria is farcical given a historical perspective. My default assumption is that they are all abusing power. It's one reason I've been such a loud voice decrying the tools and apparatus of the surveillance state for years. If they can, they will. Best to ensure they can't than hope they won't.
When there are rules, they at least act like people who know that breaking them is bad, which acts as SOME sort of governor on their behavior. That level of constraint is important. As an example we can all understand, it’s why I drive only 75 in a 65.
The complete fealty of an entire party, and the only body that provide any consequences (the senate) makes today really fucking different.
When there are no rules, there are no constraints. That’s how you get people driving 120, and people die.
Y’all are arguing about the best way to enforce speed limits on a road that no longer has any.-
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But for real. Help jimmy1 out.Â
You know the difference, you explain it. I’m not gonna pointlessly stroke your limp dick for you. -
Hugo don’t give a shit about the report  DD didn’t read the full report. Jimmy doesn’t have access to the internet at work. Jimmy2 is a lawyer who doesn’t understand the distinction between two basic concepts and clearly also did not read the report. Brisket talking about planes flying into mountains and can’t lend a hand to correct his professional brethren who finished lower in the class ranking. Â
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How about this: what’s a more serious problem, a legal process that isn’t sufficiently rigorous to protect people, or the complete absence of a process to protect people?
And which one gets all of your attention?
Again, you look foolish here. Like Trump and Barr give a fuck about “FISA Courts.” They are subject to no law, no process, and no consequences. And that attitude is rapidly permeating their entire party. All the way down to GOP judges on the local level. The rule of law doesn’t matter. -
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Translation: “I’ve done so many other crimes, I can’t believe this one is what could bring me down.”-
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Meaningless rules - for you who is privileged enough to not need those rules.Â
Again - the ACLU:
"When the Justice Department’s Inspector General finds significant concerns regarding flawed surveillance applications concerning the president's campaign advisors, it is clear that this regime lacks basic safeguards and is in need of serious reform. While the report found that there wasn't an improper purpose or initiation of the investigation, it also found significant problems that are alarming from a civil liberties perspective. For instance, the litany of problems with the Carter Page surveillance applications demonstrates how the secrecy shrouding the government’s one-sided FISA approval process breeds abuse. The concerns the Inspector General identifies apply to intrusive investigations of others, including especially Muslims, and far better safeguards against abuse are necessary.
"The system requires fundamental reforms, and Congress can start by providing defendants subjected to FISA surveillance the opportunity to review the government’s secret submissions. The FBI must also adopt higher standards for investigations involving constitutionally protected sensitive activities, such as political campaigns."
Real lives hang in the balance, but please - back to your meaningless food fight.
Rules. Are. Over.
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If the Barr DOJ wants to spy on you or me, and they think they can’t get a warrant, do you really think that will stop them? Even slow them down?
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Do you think the GOP senate will pass ANY reform that might stand in the administration’s way?
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We’re ALL fucked. That’s the fucking point.
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Hey [mention=593]Brisketexan[/mention]Â can you help jimmy2 with the distinction between the predicate for the investigation and the probable cause for the FISA warrant before he stroke out?
Why? You seem perfectly capable of remaining focused on your pointless mental masturbation, so I won’t “give you a hand with that.”
The distinction doesn’t matter. Completely warrantless investigations of political opponents for political purposes are totally legal, totally cool, so discussing the nuances of unnecessary warrants is just silly. -
Of course I am.Â
For Brisket and the rest of those who think the FISA abuse is no big deal - Here is a Brennan Center report issued before Trump on the FISA Court. We have a problem.The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance (FISA) Court is no longer serving its constitutional function of providing a check on the executive branch’s ability to obtain Americans’ private communications. Dramatic shifts in technology and law have changed the role of the FISA Court since its creation in 1978 — from reviewing government applications to collect communications in specific cases, to issuing blanket approvals of sweeping data collection programs affecting millions of Americans.
Under today’s foreign intelligence surveillance system, the government’s ability to collect information about ordinary Americans’ lives has increased exponentially while judicial oversight has been reduced to near-nothingness. This report concludes that the role of today's FISA Court no longer comports with constitutional requirements, including the strictures of Article III and the Fourth Amendment. The report lays out several steps Congress should take to help restore the FISA Court’s legitimacy.
The Brennan Center report makes an enormous contribution to our understanding of that mission creep. It explains clearly the history and development of FISA from its enactment following the Church Committee’s exposure of uncontrolled domestic spying by the FBI, through the Patriot Act amendments in the turbulent wake of the 9/11 attacks, to its present form. It explains, with a simplicity and clarity accessible to the layman but supported by a level of detail and citation of authority that will satisfy students of the subject, why in its present form FISA is disturbing to civil libertarians and to constitutional scholars. And it distills its argument into plain, powerful recommendations for FISA’s amendment.
It is time, and past time, for Congress to give serious attention to the FISA problems that are so clearly documented here, and to act. The Brennan Center’s recommendations are not the only ones that have been put forth, but they are not doctrinaire, my-way-or-the-highway demands. They invite discussion, debate, and even (Heaven forfend) compromise. They need to be carefully considered.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/what-went-wrong-fisa-court
I guess the Brennan Center is the problem too. You are right brisket - the country is lost, but the culprit may be the face in the mirror.
Did I say FISA abuse is no big deal? Please, quote where I said that. It matters. The rules (will, hopefully someday again) matter.
But they won’t matter at all if rules no longer exist or apply. So, the concepts of priority and triage come to mind. First...let’s focus on actually HAVING the rule of law. Then, let’s focus on what those rules are and how they should work. I LOVED when those discussions were relevant. I’d like to get back there again.
But you, and the idiots at the Brennan Center, and anyone else focused on FISA, are arguing about fucking Queensberry rules when the fucking fight involves chairs, knives, and guns. When there are no rules, arguing about one of the inapplicable rules is stupid.
You really don’t realize the peril the republic is in. Your concerns will be a footnote to history. They’re irrelevant, and losing any shot at relevance with each passing day. We’re arguing philosophy, when reality is clubbing is over the head. Join the fight happening in reality. We can get back to philosophy someday...I hope.-
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That's why we have a FISA court.
It’s ok. Anastasia and washpark aren’t concerned about the entirely extra-judicial process that is now the law of the land (if there’s no enforcement against it, it’s de facto legal). They’re worried about the “rules,” utterly missing the point that right now, THERE AREN’T ANY.
It would be funny, if thinking like that wasn’t part of what is killing us.


impeachment inquiry hearings thread
in Cloak Room
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If I were Nadler, I would simply say that "The House rules prevent me from noting that you are behaving like hypocritical gutless pussies, so I will not so note that fact for the Congressional Record."