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Posts posted by Brisketexan
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He really wasn't hitting Hillary originally, even though I wouldn't mind it if he did. He has always phrased it as "we" made mistakes, meaning the party and the campaign.
The fact that Hillary people are so angry about his comments proves they didn't learn anything from 2016. That's pretty disturbing.
Yep. Double down on “it’s her turn,” and “how dare you criticize a strategy....that managed to lose to DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.” Brilliant.Yep, bitch about Bernie bros all you want but there are HRC supporters who have actually said they won't vote for him if he wins the nomination.
The Dems have a problem with more than one constituency. A slim majority of unified idiots (Trumpists) is going to beat a divided majority of principled, uncompromising fools who are GREAT at “principles” but TERRIBLE at winning the elections that allow them to put said principles into practice.
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Yes, but was it fossilized?
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So disheartening that the 40% are so efficiently managed with meaningless slogans. Wall, Witch Hunt, MS-13, Pre-existing Conditions, Across State Lines, Free Market, etc. Just say them over and over and you're golden.
They’re irredeemable and worthless. Go ahead and waste time trying to reach them, but it’s wasted breath. -
Dude you think I the former privileged in every way white dude now transitioned trans woman doesn’t get it?
It’s only because I’m white that I’m not at risk to become a murder statistic on any day I walk out my front door. I used to work for an org that dealt with the bullshit every day.
Btw today is transgender day of visibility - hi mother fuckers - I’m here and not going anywhere. Let US be in charge!! Fuck all of the privilege of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. Even Kamala. Cisgender oppression sucks. Queer is the bomb dot com! And yet every fucking thing I see every fucking day says queer and gay and trans is abnormal and not ok. You have to have extraordinary self confidence just to tread water in the cisgender heteronormative world we live in. It’s not about hoods to live in or wealth it’s pervasive without exception UNLESS you go to gay and queer enclaves for respite.
Early in my transition I got pulled over several times and had cops pull me out of the car bc something didn’t seem right to them. I was scared shitless I would be taken in and then holy shit I’m one step away from rape and harassment in a city jail. Again thank god I’m white. And it’s STILL a nagging fear. Who the hell should be afraid of a routine traffic stop? Well if you aren’t white and cisgender you always are.
So look dude - I get it.
You want to have a convo about it? Start a thread. Politics aren’t about the pure ideas winning. Politics are about making tomorrow incrementally better than yesterday at the risk of going backward.
I’ve given cash to warren and kamala and Beto and I’ll go with either of them. But what I want is to win. Period.
On the ideas, lecturing or worse mocking white cisgender people isn’t going to get them to radically change. It’s just not.
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Do they know their audience or what?
It’s truly fucking magical. There is no bottom to the stupidity. We live within a singularity of stupidity. -
If only there were a thread about Mr. Sanders where this could all could be discussed and discovered.
All threads are about Bernie. Because all candidates are inferior, evil pieces of shit, who must be eliminated to pave the way for the Bern. #itshisturn.-
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*as my teeth fly through the air like dandelion seeds*
"Actually, good sir, you're proving my point most efficaciously."
Yes.
I’d say by now everyone is convinced that Bernie Bros are absolutely NOT all about foaming-at-the-mouth purity tests.
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Familiar to whom? Bernie's voting coalition, both in the 2016 primaries and in the 2020 polls so far, is younger and more diverse than his competition. It's not even close.Oh, do go on. Trumpists, who are mostly old and white, are forceful online in support of political ideology.
Hmmm....seems familiar.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
Now fuck off back to the ledge to whine about both sides with your fellow conservatives. You're out of your element, Donny.
Why would I stop, when with every reply, you help make my point? This is the easiest time I’ve had on Surly since I got people to agree that Hayley Atwell is smoke. -
*Bernie Bros, which are young and diverse, are forceful online in support of political ideology*
*MAGA chuds murder people by the dozen*
Giant Center Brain: "These things are indistinguishable."
Oh, do go on. Trumpists, who are mostly old and white, are forceful online in support of political ideology.
Hmmm....seems familiar.
As for “These things are indistinguishable,” huh. I thought the Super-integrity Bernie Bro trait was unassailable facts and logic (man....sounds like Ben Shapiro, don’t it?). So, to see such a predictable and unimaginative straw man logical fallacy - and it’s far from your only one in the past several posts....well, the similarities are becoming uncanny. -
Going to Trump doesn't represent going to an ideological extreme. Trumpism has no ideology aside from allegiance to Trump as an individual.
If you wanted to compare Bernie to the Tea Party then you might make some kind of vague sense because the Tea Party represents an ideological lens on American politics just as Bernie represents a Democratic Socialist lens on American politics. But I question whether or not you're even aware enough of ideology to even notice that.
Of course, in a practical sense the Tea Party thing doesn't work at all, because Bernie is an extremely reliable voting partner for Democrats and doesn't make any waves at all in the Senate as far as obstructionism. And, as mentioned, he works his ass off to promote Democrats who don't even really share his values.
And his voter base is extremely diverse and very young.
But, you know... he doesn't share your center-right politics so he's a crazy extremist.
I don’t think that Bernie is a crazy extremist.
I think that a good chunk of his supporters are. You’ll see that I haven’t equated Trump and Bernie. I’ve noted the similarity between their purity-test followers.
And your tea party point is sound. But incomplete. Trumpism is the end-point for the path the tea party ran down. It’s all politics of rage.
I like rage. I’m a devoted practitioner. Yet I’m also rational enough to see that it doesn’t make for good politics or healthy results.
I don’t care if you’re a Trumpist who wants me to burn in Hell because I’m Hispanic, or a Bernie bro who wants me to burn in Hell because I’m upper income. To me, you’re both just people who want me to burn in Hell. I don’t care for either one of you, ultimately for the same reasons.-
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Beto is two years younger than Ted Cruz
The proper nomenclature is “Vulvarine,” please.-
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Maudies is totally average. But 2 or 3 Gill's and you won't notice.
Verdad. It’s just regular Tex mex. Its selling point last night was its location. And my need for a couple of cold beverages.-
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Conservatives like Brisket and leftists like me are fighting to pull the Democratic party to move our direction.
Well, the lurch to the extreme seems to be working out BRILLIANTLY for the GOP, so I certainly understand why the Dems would want to follow that blueprint. -
I like Pete. He’s probably moved up to second in my book. So in an effort to get the Pete thread back on topic I’ll offer this phenomenal piece written by a young Pete.
https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/education/profile-in-courage-essay-contest/past-winning-essays/2000-winning-essay-by-peter-buttigieg
Well, I mean, it’s no
“Wax my ass,
Scrub my balls.
The Cow has risen,
Provide Milk.”
I guess we can’t all be poets.
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Ok I see what y'all are saying on some level, but I guess, what would be the solution? Every time a non-white person walks in to Torchy's or McDonalds or wherever the fuck in Austin, am I supposed to give them a high five? I mean, I tend to just treat people as human beings no matter their race/gender/age/etc.
It’s not an indictment of white people or anyone else. Walk into El Rancho market as a white guy, and you’ll feel out of place. People won’t be rude to you - they’ll interact as need be, maybe even be friendly. You’ll just know you ain’t in a white people grocery store.
Austin isn’t segregated like “I’ll be damned if you let brown/Black people infect our community.” But, interestingly, that’s how it started (austin was very purposefully, and effectively, segregated back in the day). Now, people move into those communities decades later, and they just still are that way.
Oh, and I love my Far West HEB, but it really isn’t that diverse. There’s some, but it almost all comes from the apartments along Greystone. You want an awesomely diverse HEB? Hit up the Lamar and Rundberg store. I’ve heard half a dozen languages on one trip.
The point here isn’t that white folks in Austin are racist. They really aren’t, at least not more than most folks are (everyone has a baseline of some racism, it’s how we’re wired). What they are is lacking in self-awareness. It’s easy to say “I’m not racist!” when maybe 5% of the people you see and deal with are of a different race. Understand that you live in a lily-white community, and you don’t have a diverse perspective. Again, it often reminds me of the apocryphal tales after the 2000 election of upscale white voters in NYC - “how could Bush have won? I don’t know ANYONE who voted for him!” -
4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:
Man, I guess I'm just not 1% enough in Austin to have experienced this. I grew up in Northwest Hills (super white and well-to-do), but I have lived all over the city and have never been in a situation that felt unwelcoming to anyone. Maybe I'm just naive?
Well, I wouldn't call it unwelcoming (I mean, their behavior was rude and unpleasant, but it's not like any of us haven't sat next to an obnoxious table before). It's more just a clueless exclusivity.
I live in NW Hills today. And other than an influx of asian and south asian folks....it's still pretty damned white. It's not that it''s hostile. It's that it's so conspicuously white. Really, it's something of the analog of walking into a grocery in an area that's mostly african american or hispanic -- folks aren't going to be hostile, they're probably even going to be cordial, pleasant, and welcoming to the extent that you interact with them. But you're going to have a feeling that you are in THEIR place, and you don't fit there.
Austin has long had that feel for non-white folks. Again, NOT hostile. Just....man, this is a white place, and you aren't.
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So, maybe a final update on this phase -- and really, it's just info for those of you in this process or facing it soon.
She got into what really were her top two choices -- McGill and Edinburgh. She also was accepted at UMass, and they tossed some money at her. Today, she heard from the other two places she applied -- Michigan and Georgetown. They both said "so....thanks but no thanks." Of course, by this point, it didn't upset her at all -- in fact, she chuckled and said to me "well, now we've BOTH been rejected by Georgetown" (they invited me to pursue my interests elsewhere back in the day -- fortunately, UT said come on in, and here's some cash). So, as expected, Michigan and Georgetown were selective as shit, and she didn't make the cut.
Man, it's a bitch out there. She's not valedictorian, but she's a strong-ass candidate. Schools that have a rep for being hard to get into -- yeah, that's a deserved rep.
No skin off anyone's nose, she's thrilled with where she's going. But thought it might be some interesting anecdotal info for folks to have.
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4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:
I think maybe I am misunderstanding you. Was your contention that Austin gives a "get out" vibe to non-whites? Or is it that there are parts of Austin that are minority heavy that have a "get out" vibe to white people?
You've never been to the Decker Lake Club?
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7 minutes ago, F250 said:
The only two places I've felt it strongly in Texas was Highland Park and Austin.
Are you seriously telling me you've never noticed that you were the only non-white in parts of Austin?
Man, you bringing this up is uncanny, and made me chuckle.
Last night, I was coming back in to town kind of late, a colleague was driving. My family wanted dinner, I suggested he drop me off someplace convenient where we could link up for Mexican food. That place ended up being Maudie's on Lake Austin. On a Friday night. When the Dell Match Play golf tourney is in town.
Holy shit. That restaurant, at that moment, may have been a singularity of "Get Out" white people. Between the local W. Austin pretty people (standard to that location), and the out-of-town golf fans....holy shit. The table next to us was 10 perfectly Highland Park golf enthusiasts - all in their 30s-40s, some wearing really nice HP golf gear, most of the women enhanced in multiple ways. And they were shithammered on chardonnay, ritas, and tequila shots -- and were loud as shit, acting the way any number of my UT pals and I might have.....25 years ago. My wife and I, and both of our kids, couldn't stop laughing at them. It was as stereotypical as it gets. The dynamic there was one of the whitest experiences I've ever had -- and I'm quite familiar with that Maudie's and its typical crowd. This was a whole 'nother level.
And yes, this town is and has been segregated as hell forever. Its "progressive" bona fides are REALLY easy when you just pretend that black people and Mexicans don't exist, and happily push laws and regulations (often in the name of "our precious environment - and SAVE BARTON SPRINGS!") that have the effect of excluding anyone who doesn't have $500k+ to drop on a house, or a job training center, etc.
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7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
Crazy seeing the knives come out for Buttigieg.
It's really not.
You know how many of us (well, most of us) have observed the GOP become "the party of Trump?" If a GOP politician is not in 100% lockstep with the deranged xenophobia of Trumpism (you know, GOP officials who have been historically against tariffs suddenly being a-ok with them, etc. etc. ad infinitum), they are RINOs and need to be destroyed? Seriously, look at Jerry Patterson, a Texas GOP veteran - he's about as solidly Republican as they come....and is loathed by the current GOP as a RINO because he doesn't slurp the orange dick, and he might as well be Hillary.
Well, that's what you're seeing here. That counter-movement has mostly coalesced around Bernie, but it's still not the singularity that Trumpism is. That said, it's a similar counter-movement. And ultimately, either you're fully and religiously committed to Bernie-ism, or you are an apostate DINO who might as well be Trump.
"Let's watch what is destroying the other political party, turning it into a complete shitpile beyond saving.....and let's do THAT!"
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Your aggressive use of condiments does not go unnoticed or unappreciated.
As for me, had to get a new battery in the truck (still under warranty, so saved $170, that's cool), so the boy and I could go out tooling around looking at offroad go-karts he can fix up. That requires us to head out to numerous country locales.
One of those locales had us pass by a Krispy Krunchy chicken location....which had gizzards. I was enamored.
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Of course I was exaggerating but it was definitely a hit piece without much, if anything, positive to say about the guy.
And yes he has been with some of the most powerful institutions in the world. I fail to see that as a negative because not all people that are a part of those institutions are inherently bad, it just means he’s extremely smart. Whether the institutions themselves are good or bad is an argument for another day. I don’t like McKinsey though.
Whether he’s good or evil or something in between has to be judged based on other actions. What I’ve seen so far I find positive. I suppose time will tell.
No. He associated with wealth and power. The only acceptable reaction to those things is hatred and enmity, and wanting to destroy everything and everyone associated with them. Seriously, read BT’s reply. There can be no good in them. The only good is in the proletariat, the more downtrodden the better.
This purity test idiocy is Trumpian. Trumpkins think that Trump is a qualified stable genius because he’s rich (I mean, he’s not really, but whatever). Thinking that people and institutions are entirely and inherently evil because they are associated with wealth and power is as foolish as thinking that only people associated with such things can lead us.
There’s good and bad at Harvard and Oxford. There’s good and bad among the Occupy Wall Street crowd.
Heaven forbid we have something other than a one-dimensional thinker leading a crew of one-dimensional thinkers in the White House. Nope, there can be only one answer: FEEL THE BERN! -
I have zero problem with Buttigieg criticism, and if anything, Robinson is the one doing the character-assassinating. The people that love Current Affairs will eat up that article, and it won't make a dent with anyone else because it's so one-sided and overly long. He makes some fair observations but they're diluted by the incessant bitching about every single aspect of Mayor Pete.
Nathan Robinson doesn't trust Buttigieg's motives. Cool. Why should I trust Nathan Robinson's motives after reading that piece?
Yep. There’s plenty of room to critically examine every candidate in the race.
What’s quite interesting is how the Bernie Bros are veritable Trumpkins - read BT’s reply above shouting Hillary. They share a singular obsession, and are intent on re-running the same race, against the same candidate. Dudes. Hillary is gone. And even for those folks who voted for her, most didn’t like her and aren’t pining for her.
Bernie bros are devoted to the One True Vision of Bernie, and anything else fails the purity test. There can be no other candidate who can pass their test - it’s a test built to only accept one result. And the outcome will be the same - in a close race, their combination of destructive petulance and outright defections in a fit of anger will give us a second Trump term. Shit, I called it when he won the first time, I stand by it. He’s a two-term President, and Bernie bros are a key part of that.-
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Those dudes just need to learn to beat off.
I’m thinking we have numerous expert-level instructors around here.