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Excluding 2020 they have 5 years where they posted a winning conference record in the last 20 years. 5. They've finished 2nd in their division once in that time. How very little brother of them to ridicule our last decade+ while acting as if they've accomplished anything more than riding the coattails of the rest of the SEC. It's okay. They get 1 more year to hide behind Bama & LSU before they start catching their yearly beatdowns from big brother again.

The phrase "OKST adds nothing to the Pac 12 that the Pac 12 actually cares about." is fairly essential to the statement. The Pac cares about academics, cultural fits, & city size in some order. OKST strikes out on all of those. Thanks for playing the game. Y'all would more likely be gobbled up by the ACC to form some sort of Central Time division along with some of the others if the ACC wanted to capitalize on that. Honestly, that would have been preferable to the Pac anyways.

I love the optimism that OKST would have definitely been included because.....? Why? The WC schools overwhelming desire to get the Stillwater market? The need for tips on how to grow an awesome mullet? I'm fairly certain OSU would have been left out of any Pac 12 raid unless another school passed or they hated the idea of religious schools so much that they passed over TCU/BU/BYU. They would have taken just enough to get into the Texas market/central time zone & maybe BYU. OKST adds nothing to the Pac 12 that the Pac 12 actually cares about. What tells me you wouldn't get the 4 corner schools is that you haven't gotten them despite almost a year of not-so-subtle courtship. They're going to successfully run the clock out (if they haven't already) & the Pac 12 will remain as it is (plus an addition or 2 if that works out but I'm thinking not). They obviously don't have the intestinal fortitude to make the change or they hate the idea of rubbing elbows with y'all so much that they're willing to forfeit millions of dollars a year to stay away. I'm not saying that's a good decision by them, but it's obviously their decision at the moment. The Big 12 only chance of getting them at this point is for Kliavkoff to literally not have a TV deal to present, or for AZ or CU to grow a pair of balls (& not care about being the nail in the coffin of the Pac 12 & the negative press that will come along with it) to jump ship. It's probably already too late for that to happen in time for next year, so you're looking at 2025 unless scenario #1 plays out & then all bets are off. In that case, it'd be much less "The Big 12 lured XYZ school away" & much more "the Pac 12 sunk & the Big 12 sent a life boat that only a few schools were allowed to jump in."

Maybe. Or, maybe, it would have worked the other way & the PAC could have raided the Big 12 & taken a few TX teams & maybe KU & the rest of y'all would be holding your dicks wondering if you had enough juice left to lure Cincy/UH/BYU/UCF & a few more to cobble together a new Big 12. If you can't lure AZ, ASU, or CU now with your new TV deal & stability, what makes you think you would be luring them without a TV deal while you're floating in the same rudderless boat that they are?

The process of obtaining an aggy gift card & an aggy acceptance letter are almost identical. The gift card would be worth more than the degree in the end so it's really a no brainer.

I'll be sure to use this example when my wife complains that I "forgot" something "again".

For some reason Eric Cuffee is who pops to mind when I think of this & I remember it being at an Arky OV as well.

She's been discussed for a page + already and not a single pic from anyone?

Wait, we're not doing this anymore?

Think of it as dog vomit on spaghetti noodles & you've got the general idea. I say that, not because I hate that they call it chili & I'm some sort of chili purest, but because it's legitimately awful & the fact that they're proud of it is all I need to know about Cincy & Ohio in general. I'll never forget the 2 bites I took of that meal. The first one was in excitement over this unbelievable chili that I've heard so much about & the other was in shear disbelief at how awful it was.

There's a thread on 247 with pictures from a guy that does team laundry. According to him the same company did the Astros & Bama lights

I thought the general consensus was that OU was lifting its skirt to all of the other P5 conferences & promised to bring little sister along if they needed another school to make it work but no one was interested in OU with OSU & they needed to get their hot friend UT to come with them in order to get the invite. Apparently UT preferred SEC sports over B1G academics & snow so they gave Sankey a call & said "we want to keep the RRS so OU gets to come & you have to publicly humiliate a&m if you want us" which Sankey gladly accepted.

Or the B1G/SEC could just poach KU & AZ for more money and tell the rest of the Big 12 to fuck off. Seems like that'd work if that's the route they wanted to go, but I'd be surprised if that's what they were thinking.

The best part of your argument is the idea that your standards are any different than our standards. You look at us as arrogant assholes who are ruining the sport because we want to play people who matter while your own suggestion is itself an expression of which schools you believe "matter" enough to get into the club. We have more "history" with Rice & SMU than we do OSU, TTU, or UH yet they're not included because.... why? Well ,they suck for one but I know that's not how you would choose opponents given your strict geographical/historical preferences, so why aren't they included? Maybe they just slipped your mind since you weren't digging through all the records & it was just a suggestion, I'll let it slide. Funny how TCU is playing really close to home in the fucking Mountain division. Real "regional". It's also amazing how your team somehow gets in even though they have extensive history with all of about 7 schools & a losing record against almost every school they've faced 10+ times with the only notable exception being KSU. Not sure what makes ISU worth including over Rice or SMU. Why would anyone want you in their conference other than to be the easy win & rest week they need? What exactly does your football program bring to the table? You should be real, real careful about drawing lines around who's in & who's not since I don't think anyone in the entire country would even notice if you're not one of the schools that make the cut. Now, before you get all huffy, let that settle & realize that few people (maybe none actually) here are interested in a 16 team league which you must admit you pulled straight out of your strawmans ass. You and your Cyclones can still play close to (but no longer against) the big boys, still get paid very well (for now), still have a shot at the playoffs (an even better shot with UT & OU gone), & can still participate in Farmageddon. We want, generally, what you want, which is to be able to play meaningful games against teams that we care to play. The difference between us & you is that you're happy as hell to play the KU, OSU, KSU, TTU, etc. of the world & consider those games meaningful because that's the level of your football program (and that's being VERY generous to you so you're welcome). We're not interested in that - at least not as the only kind of teams we're playing - because our football program (even with a few trips through the desert of mediocrity) is not on the same level as those types of schools. We want to play more of the OU, Bama, LSU, UGA, & UF of the world. We're also going to a conference that reinstates 2 of our older rivalries that contain much more animosity for large portions of the fan base than the likes of TCU, TTU, OSU, BU, UH, or anyone not named OU & are mostly closer to home than the likes of Kansas, Cincy, & WVU. Your way of "almost everyone gets included" is littered with problems, some of which have been mentioned & some should be so obvious as to not need mentioning & would lead to schools breaking away at the first opportunity. I'd rather have 2 leagues with relegation/promotion of a portion of teams than what you suggested (and I'm not exactly keen on that for the record). Don't act like you can stick USC back with the likes of the PAC 12 & expect them to be happy when they literally just chose to travel 1/2 way across the country to get the hell away from them & find teams worth a shit. USC vs SDSU at midnight, who wouldn't want to watch that shit? Air Force vs. CSU would be must watch. It's a "good idea" for schools like yours. Our school isn't like yours, so it sounds like nails on a chalk board to most of us.

People will convince themselves they'll use it for other shows only to spend $10/month (or whatever it is) for nothing. Kinda like my 5 year old gym membership...

While that's true, there are some that get a LOT closer than others to at least breaking even, or have some other positive reason for adding. NCST/Va Tech don't make any sense on any level for the SEC or B1G. They make a lot of sense for the Big 12 or a reformatted ACC. The Rutgers move was a money grab by the B1G & rutgers & has worked out well for them while being a complete waste of money for the networks. That worked 10 years ago, but with all the belt-tightening going on at Disney I seriously doubt they're going to pony up the money for those two. On top of that, the SEC doesn't seem too keen on adding schools like NCST & Va Tech considering they wouldn't even take OU without UT coming along as well & it seems entirely unlikely that they would watch UNC, UVA, & ND run to the B1G & follow that up with little brothers that no one cares about.

The SEC adding Va Tech/NCST on their own seems as silly as the Big 12 adding UNLV or SDSU. They offer nothing & dilute the payout to other schools. Just because the states are large doesn't mean it makes sense to add them. ND, FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA, UO, UW, Miami. That's it. That's the list & honestly only 4 of them make sense for the SEC since ND is B1G in ACC clothing. FSU/Miami, Clemson, UVA, UNC. I'd think the SEC would throw the kitchen sink to get UNC (add Duke/NCST if needed) in order to get another BB blue blood & keep them away from the B1G. If you can get UNC without a tag-a-long you can still pursue UVA, Clemson, & 1 of FSU/Miami. If they come with baggage (which I would bet they do & ESPN/SEC would probably prefer Duke to NCST) then someone gets kicked off that list & my guess is UVA has a spot if they want it, so it's possible the SEC doesn't end up with Clemson or a FL school unless UVA decides to split from UNC. I don't really know how close those 2 are or what their decision makers would prefer. It seems like sports enthusiasts want them in the SEC & academic people want them in the B1G. The good news is the B1G seems to be settled where they're at until something happens with the PAC so now would be the time for Sankey to set the dominoes to get UNC in the boat at the first opportunity.

I think it's UM & OSU being a bunch of bitches. Time zones are a bullshit excuse unless you're talking about WC teams traveling to EC schools & playing early games. Other than that, 18-22 y/o athletes are perfectly capable of traveling just like USC & UCLA will be doing.

You know that based on personal research & experience or did your wife inform you?

Well, he does have a history with taint tickling...

Cincy & UH made much more sense for the Big 12 at the time, & even now, than SDSU. Even if you were to argue they're similar or even equals, UH & Cincy were added at a time when the Big 12 was falling to pieces. The stability they brought (along with BYU & UCF) allowed the conference to stick together & negotiate another TV deal. By the time that new TV deal was struck the Big 12 had solidified itself as the #3 P5 conference in terms of TV revenue thanks to the USCLA exit & the century-long ACC TV deal. There's no need for SDSU, their TV market means jack shit since there's no Big 12 network, the state of CA has shown time & time again how little it cares about college athletics outside of a good USC football team, they offer nothing in terms of intriguing matchups, they would dilute the TV revenue for each Big 12 school since there's no pro rata clause for G5 schools that I'm aware of, & UA, CU, & ASU (if they all come) + BYU would be plenty of members to have a late window game each week for ESPN if they require it (which I'm sure they will). SDSU, Fresno St., Boise St., UNLV are prime for Pac membership if the other rats start jumping ship but that's about it.

Big 12 fans wouldn't really want SDSU & UNLV would they? I mean, I understand the road trips would be fun, but they are a giant shart in terms of everything else. Pray for UO/UW or hold your water for the ACC meltdown before adding more G5 schools.

If we're scheduling top-tier opponents in a 4-team playoff why the hell would we decide to not schedule them in a 12-team playoff? 11-2 Big 12 champion UT with a loss at Bama & a conference loss somewhere still gets in the 4-team playoff. 9-3 UT with a loss at OSU & 2 conference losses probably gets in on most years depending on how exactly everything shakes out. No FCS teams because fuck that. Only Big 12 teams that'll come to daddy & not require a return trip because fuck that (and fuck playing a Big 12 team in general for several years anyways but eventually playing TCU, OSU, & BYU as a one off in an interesting neutral site or only at home may be okay). Really last years schedule is optimal & you just have to figure out how to schedule the weak OOC home schedule with the strong conference home schedule (a&m, LSU, Bama, etc.) when we play the away leg of the home & home.