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“The Rhule Model”. That is a strategy. For it to work you have to: 1. Actually develop players. This means elite positional coaching, and not every program does that. 2. Be patient. Rhule recruited two and three stars with traits, and developed them into all B12 and even draft picks. That took a few years. The best of these won’t show for a couple of years. 3. Have a plan for line play in the SEC? In the B12 and ACC, OL and DL can be a little less massive, because they only go up against massive, elite counterparts in a few scattered games. Not so in the SEC. Interesting strategy
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I encourage all those nations (especially those that have recognized a Palestinian state) to establish consulates in Gaza and the West Bank.
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They’re really not fucking around
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Yeah, I was drinking a little while posting. Missed some autocorrects (“dies” vs “does”), and, yeah, the population of a state can grow while the number of reps can drop, if the national population grows at a faster rate. Still, the point remains- Oklahoma’s population isn’t producing the number of players needed to compete on a national level
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Correcting: “One more thing- OU desegregated in 1957 and re-segregated a few years later. They deserve credit for the former (which they happily claim) and not for the latter.”
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Alriy, deep dive into OU chicanery part 1. First, a couple of things to understand: 1. One of the great things about college football is also the source of its greatest misunderstandings. There is incredible diversity in colleges- how they are organized, how they are governed, their culture, their values. Pro sports are cookie cutter leagues, every organization functionally the same. Not so in college football, although sports media keeps taking the lazy path and writing as if it were. OU has gotten a lot of mileage out of these assumptions, shielding it from proper recognition of its misdeeds. 2. Demographic trends. The simplest way to describe this is to use congressional delegation size through the years. The HoR has 435 members, reapportioned every ten years with the census. As states grow or shrink in populations, the number of representatives dies the same. Here are the numbers for three states: Texas - Oklahoma - Nebraska 1920: 18 - 8 - 6 1940: 21 - 9 - 5 1960: 22 - 6 - 4 1980: 24 - 6 - 3 2000: 30 - 6 - 3 2020: 36 - 5 - 3 There you have it- Oklahoma is on the demographic path that doomed Nebraska. It’s only path to national success is getting players out of state, and it has known this for eighty years. In 1946, OU had a new president, George Cross, who was a football fan. He and their board had a plan to emphasize football success to rally the state from its chronic and growing sense of inferiority. They knew there were a bunch of servicemen with football ability coming to colleges, and they decided to build a program on this swell of talent. They hired Jim Tatum, perhaps more impressed with his chief assistant, Bud Wilkinson. Wilkinson, of course, got the job the next year, when Tatum left, and built a monster. OU formed a booster group, the Touchdown Club, which funded extra benefits for recruits and players. All of this was actually legal in the late ‘40s (or at least not illegal). Texas was doing the same (DX Bible instituted “The Bible Plan”, where alumni were assigned different parts of the state). OU became a national power- based on Wilkinson’s coaching at an elite level of organization, and recruiting Texas. In the early ‘59s, the NCAA came up with rules on scholarships, recruiting and benefits, and was given enforcement power. OU was turned in twice in the’50s, by rival Big 6 programs. The Sooners denied everything, and Cross was fine with that. He figured the program got itself into trouble, and it was up to the program to get itself out. He felt no need to enforce propriety or honesty. The NcAA found plenty of guys recruited by OU at other programs, willing to talk, and penalized the Sooners both times. It didn’t really slow the Sooners down much. They had a huge advantage in the weakness of their schedules during the Wilkinson years. Many years, they would be the only Big 6 team to finish ranked. They had superior talent and only a couple of games to get up for. One more thing- OU desegregated in 1957 and desegregated a few years later. They deserve credit for the former (which they happily claim) and not for the latter. Royal started kicking their ass and no one was too sad when Wilkinson decided to step aside and try politics in 1964.
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Possibility of play-in games if a conference has multiple guaranteed spots
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Dave Campbell has gotten a long ride based on having really good writers in the ‘60s and ‘70s
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Chamberlain, M. Malone, Olajuwon, Bird, Durant, LeBron, Russell, Jordan, Johnson, Robertson
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I buy three every year- Dave Campbell’s Texas football (to keep my collection complete), Phil Steele (comes out in early July) for the ridiculous amount of data and objective analysis, and Wadlington’s “Thinking Texas Football” (comes out when he is damned well good and ready)
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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-joel-klatt-show-a-college-football-podcast/id1037085984?i=1000710848310 Klatt has a good comp of 4-4-2-2-4 vs 5-11. He points out that the B12 is less likely to, over a five year span, get as many teams in the CFP under the 5-11. He winders why Yormark is for 5-11. My suspicion? Yormark knows that the 4-4-2-4, through play-in games and SEC/B1G OOC games will help the SEC and B1G much more than it helps the B12, increasing the gulf between the P2 and Mid2.
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…and SMU didn’t beat anyone that finished ranked and lost to BYU. At some point, shouldn’t a CFP team have a good win? Rather than just not have many losses?
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There are at least three other places for CR discussion- CR, and the two DT sections. Is that not enough?
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OK, I remember CDC catching grief for not shit-canning Pierce immediately after season end. His plan was, since we’re paying severance, we could let him go when it suits us, and not him (Pierce, like Earley, always had the option to quit). CDC didn’t want everybody asking him about the opening, while he was working to fill it. It turned out that the guy he was going to hire didn’t finish his season until the very last game. (That seems to be CDC’s MO- wait to fire the guy until after the new hire is lined up). Could Alberts be doing the same? Still working a search, but having to wait until a candidate’s season is over?
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Caitlin Clark is young. She should go to Europe for a couple of years. She can grow her game there, draw huge crowds and ratings (her American fans can still follow and watch) and let the WNBA think about things, while Reese et.al. grow their league. (word getting out that she was thinking of this might focus their thinking a little)
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"If You Think It's A Scam, It Usually Is"
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The Conference CG, in conferences with multiple bids, hurt. Georgia, for example, lost their two year starter at QB (and their fantastic punter). Teams like ND, tOSU, Tennessee and Indiana didn’t play in the CG, so they got the extra week of rest even without a bye. The Buckeyes used that time to restructure their run game and clean up their defense. The old BCS and four team CFP seemed like a conclusion to the season. The 12 team CFP is more like the NCAA tournament, a whole second season.
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Texas Recruiting Notes 2026: Boulevard of Broken Bagmen
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Yeah, brain fart. I knew we got a DL from Louisiana and my brain was coming up with all these names other than Malcolm Roach. -
NFL teams win Superbowls all the time with 4-6 losses, often to some of the league’s worst teams. We understand why- there is a lot of parity. The SEC is a tougher league. They play more games against teams that can beat you.
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Texas Recruiting Notes 2026: Boulevard of Broken Bagmen
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Texas OOS recruit team (just listing, not ranking) QB: Simms, Applewhite RB: R. Williams, Bertelsen, AJ Jones, Metcalf, B. Robinson, Norris TE: Helm, Fitzgerald, Scaife WR: Worthy, Wingo OL: Braun, Sendlein, K. Studdard, S. Thomas DL: Ford, Ossai LB: Leiding, Edwards, DB: Spec Sanders, Steinmark, Cade, That’s just off the top of my head… -
Keeping thread on track, I think Texas lost 9 out of 10 to OU from 1948-1957. That was getting dominated by a superior program (and Texas proceeded to win 12 of the next 13 against the Sooners). the 1984-1994 streak- that was one program shrinking back from the cheating and another leaning in. Throw those years out and the series looks more like Baylor or Arkansas.
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Yeah, that’s not what I said. 4 AQs for the SEC last year would have meant that on Dec 7, 2024, there would have been an 11 AM game between SEC #3 Tennessee and #6 S. Carolina, a 3:30 game between #4 Alabama and #5 Ole Miss, and an 8PM game between Texas and Georgia. The winners of the first two games and both in the CG would have gone to the CFP. In this model, there are still a couple of at large places, and the SEC #5 (after play in weekend) will argue it deserves it more than the B12 #3 or the B1G #5. We’ll see. The only place for3-5 SEC teams is as November spoilers. Note that in this scenario, TAMU and LSU miss out because of league losses, and their OOC losses to ND and USC, respectively, play no part.
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In summary: ESPN will pay more if the SEC goes to nine league games. The SEC is concerned that “loss column bias” by a CFP selection committee will penalize the SEC if it has more league games (and more losses). That’s why it wants four AQs. Yes, that would mean a three (or even four) loss team getting in. 4 AQs also means that the SEC can make a three game play-in series on CG weekend, where 1/2 play for the SEC championship and seeding, while 3/6 and 4/5 play for the other two AQ positions. This would suck for the B12 and ACC, leeching attention. It would make a ton of money for the SEC. It would also mean that there would be a lot more November SEC games with playoff meaning, again hurting the ACC and B12 (who is going to watch UCF/ASU with playoff implications, when Tenn is playing LSU with playoff implications?) Finally, if the SEC has 4 AQs, the conference record becomes much more important than the overall record for SEC teams, meaning more premiere OOC opponents (again, more money for networks). Conversely, if SEC teams are competing for the at large CFP spots (5-11 model), they will be more hesitant to schedule tougher OOC games. In short- the 4-4-2-2 offers so much more money and benefits for the SEC (and ESPN), that I doubt they go to nine league game schedules unless that model is adopted
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No, Mike Leach, YOU'RE awesome! [Pirates Last Voyage]
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Royal explained why, when asked. People didn’t like his answer. Royal had an idea for college football that was unique. He really wanted to coach players and have them gain from the university experience. We all know how he invented “academic counseling for athletes” (he called them “brain coaches”), but there was more to it than keeping guys eligible per NCAA rules. Royal’s early teams had a phenomenal number of attorneys, judges, doctors and bankers. You didn’t have to be a genius to play for Texas, not at all, but you had to put in the academic work (and he worked with Allie’s like Professor Wright at the Law School to open doors). He bounced phenomenal athletes like Joe Don Looney and Bob Young because they wouldn’t get with the academic program. Royal was candid about recruiting African Americans. He pointed out that segregated schools in Texas sucked, bad, and weren’t preparing kids for UT. Does anyone disagree? He said the pool of African American recruits for UT was small, and they were very sought after. It’s not a secret that he was trying to integrate football for four years before he was successful. We all know that the 1969 varsity was all white (Whittier was on the freshman team). It wouldn’t have been if his first African American recruit, a LB, had not flunked out. Whittier was a solid player; he also became an attorney and a judge, which is not a coincidence. Over time, Royal adapted his program to be more like the others. Also, integration improved education for African Americans in Texas. The point is- there was more to the story than what hustlers like Switzer like to say. -
No, Mike Leach, YOU'RE awesome! [Pirates Last Voyage]
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Check your history. DKR integrated the SWC. He was AD at Texas and UT T&F integrated in 1963. (You are absolutely right about the assholes in his coaching tree. His 1984 Iowa staff is damned impressive) Royal hated cheaters in recruiting. His MO was to phone a coach and tell them what he heard about recruits being offered. He would say that if they didn’t address it, he was turning them in. He turned in Fry, at SMU. Fry was so pissed off that he searched for something to turn in Texas on. He found it. He discovered that on recruiting visits, Texas would give player hosts cash to take the recruits to a steak dinner in Austin (allowed). The players were so strapped for cash that they would take the recruits for hamburgers and pocket the difference. (Does that sound like a program that is paying players?). Fry turned in Texas and Royal burned with anger (reciprocated) after.
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