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I can't speak for my boy PH...

Y'all better buckle up. RDS here is gonna be the GOP nom for 2024.

Racial profiling absolutely still exists.

Gotcha. I wasn’t talking about student population as y’all were I guess. More in stature. “ISU is still big, it’s the BigXII that got small”

I think you are the small school the guy was talking about in his post.

The article made a point to say she was not wearing any jewelry, diamonds, high end shoes or any other short-cut that signals wealth. That would seem to imply that there were indicators people look for that drive employees and buying power assumptions, no? Wait did you even read the article before commenting? lol

Again. Slower this time. 1) For two pages we made pained efforts to specify American racism. You keep wanting to highlight an alleged European incident. 2) There is literally not an example more classist than someone rebuffing someone else because of an assumption of not being wealthy enough to afford something, especially in high end haute couture fashion houses. There is a reasonable expectation and assumption knowing this that a black or a white person looking drab and not otherwise signaling wealth would be, allegedly, treated as not an appropriate patron who could purchase hyper-expensive accessories. 3) This incident may not even be true and it might be fake news. It's, at the very least disputed, and unproven. Surely this is a bit.

This is obviously a joke or a bit you are doing and I don't get it. I'm sorry. Are you agreeing with me?

I wouldn't think she would; I'm sure we would have heard about them. Behaviors associated with poor people with respect to classism and what drives discrimination and prejudice are mostly negative and mostly in opposition to what the hegemonic class holds up as ideal. They are negative stereotypes that serve to "other" and make villains of the poor in an "us vs. them" that even extends to the aspirational (e.g. ladder climbing ambitious poor identifying or otherwise acting as if they belong to a higher social status): Antisocial behavior, loud, improper, messy, sloppy, vulgar, impolite, unhygienic/unclean, lazy, poor work ethic, victim-mentality, irresponsible, unreliable, etc. et al.

I definitely don't think you are smart.

I googled it. I think you are joking around, but in the off-chance you aren't, three points: 1) We specified many times, racism in America, not abroad and 2) nothing more blatantly classist then being snobby to someone at a high end posh shop and saying you are too poor to look at a bag, it's pretty on the nose classism, and 3) there seems to be some he-said/she-said to this: https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/13/showbiz/oprah-winfrey-racism-switzerland/index.html Asked to give her version of the incident, Adriana said Winfrey had come into the store and was looking at bags when her eye was caught by a $38,000 crocodile skin number by Tom Ford. She told the newspaper, “I explained that this was exactly the same bag as the one I had in my hand. Only much more expensive. I would happily show her other bags, I said.” Adriana said Winfrey’s claim that she told the media mogul the bag was too expensive for her was absolutely not true. “That’s absurd. I would never say such a thing to a customer. Absolutely not. Good manners and politeness are everything in this shop,” she said. The store assistant added that she hadn’t recognized Winfrey but that it would not have made a difference in any case. “We make a huge effort to treat everyone with the same respect and in the same way,” she said.

Engineer with 800 credit score = middle class. Middle class black people get discriminated against and assumed they have poor people behaviors, has been the point the entire time. It's nasty, but that doesn't surprise me.

First of all, my heart goes out to you and your wife. Obviously a very tough situation and maybe the first thing is to take a step back and reset and take a moment to remember that none of this your fault and it's overwhelmingly likely it's not your child's fault either. My sister had this issue and was basically told her kid wasn't welcome (not explicitly, but reading between the lines-- this was a public school in a tony zip code)-- like the equivalent of "resigning instead of being fired". She homeschooled the child and it's worked wonders-- after what has been like 10 years you wouldn't believe how well rounded and smart the kid is compared to the behavior in Kinder. There are still impulse and anger issues sometimes, but it's really are. Some kids might need that level of hands on attention and work and love, I don't know. I'm not a therapist or an expert, just sharing an experience. And I don't have any clue your home life and situation if homeschool is even feasible. Whatever the case, don't give up but also it's okay to not have all the answers and next steps by the end of the weekend. Take some time and love on the kiddo and know y'all will get through this together. God doesn't bring you to something he won't bring you through.

Bob Chapek is a conservative/has conservative personal values. He tried to leave his politics/religion/beliefs at home and just do his job and remain neutral. Apparently, these days you can't just do your job without commenting on political issues and if you don't take an active allyship stance or political role then you can get in some hot water. That is where we are at this point. Just a friendly reminder for all of us in the corporate sector as we rise the ranks, to continue to "go along to get along" and to dance when the drums start playing. This is America in 2022.

100% this.

Well, then we all agree that is not good.

I addressed the first point already as a discrimination and prejudice against a stereotype on behavior. For the bolded point: That's not what is happening. I know for my part, I've stated now no fewer than 6 times, that racism is ugly, real, and employed as a violent mechanism to rationalize inhumane violence upon dark skinned people. Admitting racism in America existed at scale should be table stakes for anyone and learning about it should be in scope. It's history.

Appreciate the response. My entire point (I guess you can call it, my thesis) for two pages now has been that we are focused on the wrong -ism. We don't have a racism problem, we have a classism problem. If you address the classism, the "racism" as you see it will naturally fall away. To your first point: why are black folks denied mortgages higher than others? Is it because people view them as inferior based on their skin and biology? I would argue no. Is it because they believe that despite their income and earnings, they will deploy behaviors associated with the poor which would be undesirable and/or bad investments? That discrimination then would be based off social standing and class more than race. Rich black people aren't denied mortgages. Middle class black people are. While I don't agree with your last point, I appreciate it and your beliefs. I think your last point is actually digging deeper and if one were to align with your way of thinking economically and politically and you wanted to label the Republican party, ultimately it's more appropriate to label the Republican party "Classist" than "Racist".

Let me unpack what you are saying here because I wouldn't mind an update to my education: It is not weird that the black and minority population is WAY overrepresented. I've said no less than 4 times that the intersectionality for poor and BIPOCs in modern America is a real result of real (systematic) racism. My only point was that in modern times today, the majority of folks aren't racist against BIPOCs as they were in the past. Today it has more to do with class than color. (Of course there are populations who still believe blacks are inherently biologically inferior to white people, but they are not the mainstream and the backwaters of Alabama and Vidor aren't germane to the conversation so let's agree they exist but are not statistically significant to discuss) And to your last point; I don't even know what you are trying to say other than use your political hammer because all problems look like political nails.

I think that's what I said: Racism (blacks naturally subspecies and inferior to whites) was a rationalization for inhumane violence like slavery and then psuedo-science was a hope and attempt to codify racism via science. That stuff fell apart because it's not true and most people** accept that, thereby most people who are "racists" today are really people who object to behaviors and culture that offend them and are associated with class (again, intersectionality of race and class due to racism is real, but not tightly coupled).

It's like, they are laughing at first and then a minute later start yelling "KEEP. MY FORMER PRESIDENTS. NAME. OUT. CHO. MOUF!"? Complete with tears in their eyes, even.

The most fun and sloppy people I know are the ECU and James Madison undergrads who somehow figured out how to be charming enough to get decent consulting gigs and then get a good grad degree. It's now how you start, it's how you finish, I guess-- but the party animal never changes their stripes at the end of the day.

I know a guy who went to Chico St. and apparently it's maniacal. It's upstate close to Oregon and basically like the TTU of Cal State in that there is nothing to do but drink for 5 years straight.

Same.

If I am wrong here, then I think it's because my fundamental understanding of what constitutes racism is wrong. My understanding was it was simply a belief that superiority and inferiority were defined solely on skin color, or race. For example, Jim who is black is automatically inferior to Jim who is white, because of the skin tone. That core belief was perpetuated in order to justify the inhumane violence of slavery, etc. and was supported by charlatans (probably some in good faith, as well) who believed in, what we now know is pure junk science, like phrenology and eugenics and the like. This was a more mainstream and common belief pattern of white Americans in the past. At some point in the last half-a-dozen decades or thereabouts, I think the mainstream and common belief pattern of white America changed. No longer is there a core belief that blacks and whites (or any other number of colors and races) are different in specimen and characteristics and potential as defined by nature (racism). I think the shift is that the characteristics and abilities and potential is defined by environment, which is dictated by social class and/or socio-economics (remember, I was conflating the two upthread). As I've stated, legacy racism is a reason or cause for the modern day intersectionality of black people and a lower social/socio-economic class, but what America is discriminating and prejudicing against isn't the race, it's the class (poor people behaviors). The biggest distinction here being one can't change their race (despite the weirdos who have tried like Michael Jackson and Sammy Sosa and Rachel Dolezel), but one's socio-economic and social standing is dynamic and fluid.