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I don't think you'd see so many racists throwing out the well-worn cliche of "and I'm not racist, I have black friends" if racism in America today was based on the idea that blacks are inferior to whites for genetic/skin/biology reasons versus what is perceived as intolerable poor people behaviors and baggage. IMO, when someone says "I'm not a racist, I have a black friend or I dated a black person" what they are essentially saying is that black people who are like me in behavior and values, etc. are cool-- it's the "other ones" with the confusing and scary foreign behaviors that are inferior because they just don't get it and something must be wrong with them. That's seems classist.

I don't agree with you. I don't think that we see today, in general, has its roots in old school racism of "the white skin race is inherently and genetically superior to the black skin race" as supported by fraud science like phrenology and eugenics and the like. I think what we see today is more a discrimination based on behaviors and culture that have its root cause in poverty and a lack of resources (e.g. vulgarity, antisocial behaviors and thinking, crime, violence, lack of social mores and decorum, etc.). The problem is we too easily conflate this classism with racism because, ironically, of real racism. There is a big overlap and intersectionality of poor people who are black because of a past society which was racist (again, the real racism that said whites were better than blacks by virtue of just being white in a sort of begged question, backed up by what is overwhelmingly accepted as pseudo-science). I hope that explains my point better so you don't continue thinking I wasn't serious. Further, to you point, I'm sure there are still people or populations in the deep south or Orange, Texas or other places like that who still are traditional racists, but for the general population and society I think it's this classism that is the real culprit. Pivoting a bit now: @Catdaddyhorn I read this article today and thought it was up your alley. A good read involving the intersection between food desserts, poor black people in the south and a "red lining" of healthcare availability that has this zip code in South Carolina being the capital of amputations. From what I've read about your posts and interests, I thought you'd appreciate the read (if you haven't already read it): https://www.thestate.com/news/state/south-carolina/article258302413.html

@MNLonghornFUKM as some funny guy on twitter said: "The Oscars wouldn’t fabricate a fake assault because they could never do anything even remotely that interesting on purpose".

"men will literally win an oscar for best actor before going to therapy"

Will Smith is broken. He is obviously in a lot of pain and has been for quite some time. The Jada, open marriage, etc. clearly isn't working for him though he's desperate to make it work, and he's acting out and crying out in pain and projecting his hurt on to Chris Rock for a basic Oscar joke. Showbiz and the amount of scrutiny and media and attention can break you. Man, even his "keep my wife's name outcho f'in mouth!" you could hear the deep pain that goes beyond one joke. They were the welps of a hurt dog, trying to sound tough in the face of a world that keeps him in pain. Just maximum cringe all the way around; good on Chris Rock for not putting his finger into the wound there because he could have completely shattered this guy.

On forms for work or even the census when they ask for “race”, I mark an X in “other”, and write in Homo Sapiens or Human, because as you said race as an identity is a social construct. I think being racist is just being lazy, really it’s the behaviors found in the poor that people have a strong reaction to, and yes in America due to slavery and Jim Crow, etc. there is a lot of overlap in poor and race, but that doesn’t mean they will always be so tightly coupled. American History points to the Irish and Italian as case studies. Anyways, I guess my point is most modern day “racists” are classists versus truly racists (e.g. eugenics, phrenology, etc.).

The Betrayal was worse in my opinion (the one where everything goes backwards and the wedding in India). I think that is the episode that the writers admitted they were done.

Yea my first two thoughts were LSU is way too low and Miami (OH) way too high.

Crap. Paywalled. The Capitalists win again.

Yes we agreed on this basic axiom, some of us begrudgingly and some of us more happily. Why do you post duplicative and re-worded opinion pieces on that which has already been established, without adding anything, like all the time? Is it your nature due to the bad lawyer blood coursing through your veins?

Why are you screaming me, ma’am? I used her own medium article, self-written and published. Maybe she’s lying or being dishonest, but it’s her firsthand account. That said thanks for the link, I will read it.

Are you arguing that to be "right", you would have the current environment's majority support? There are lots of egregious things in the past that were once considered moral and right but we now look at has horrible, as I'm sure you know. Using the "if she is right, why doesn't the current environment agree" doesn't seem like the question to ask to prove your point, and you might even be right.

I generally agree with the bottom-line which is as you say, you hurt the bottom line, you get hurt. She chose to die on this hill, I would not have, but she is not without some reasonable points (if you read the missive).

Now I've heard it all; comparing misanthropic race baiting, hateful and half-baked "social science" written with the same verve and skill of an angry 14 year old with Pauline texts. I would imagine that Mr. Kendi would cringe when re-reading his early writings and I'd hope he has grown as a writer and thinker. To that degree, it's unfair to judge him solely on the quoted above alone. But I see no reason to defend it, either.

How can you have something as sophomoric as what was posted above as an example of challenging or enlightening? "Europeans are simply a different breed of human" "Whites have tried to level the playing field with the AIDS virus and cloning, but they know these deterrents will only get them so far. This is where the murder, psychological brainwashing and deception comes into play." Oof. I can't imagine anyone seriously defending this unless they are conspiracy theorists or the worst sort of pandering people to blacks like those girls in fritz the cat:

You understand he was quoting someone else, right? And that someone else was clearly in conspiracy theory world.

And as a Jewish person, that offends you?

My first thought because I'm old and stupid was "this seems like something PTC would be trying to bring to market" but I clicked your link and it looks like a labs/sub of nVidia. Which should be no surprise as they have quietly been one of the greatest underrated American companies the past decade and have an amazing CEO. Also, institutional investors must be savvy to the use case potential I was half-way joking about: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/24/nvidia-and-intel-lead-rally-in-semiconductor-stocks-.html

But what are the enterprise use cases? Seriously though, this is a cool thread and post-- wish it was in a different forum with more eyes and traffic instead of buried in nerdz because I guarantee this place has at least a half a dozen ML/AI/Data Scientist whizs.

I think this whole thing is a referendum on being over-leveraged in globalization and you'll see a move back to some domestic/nationalism around high-value, high-impact, and highly-political areas (e.g. Oil in Germany, for example). Or at least a hard look at the ledgers and an attempt to de-risk and de-couple from unfriendly or potentially risky countries as trading partners. Edit to add, read this from NYT blog as well:

Thought this was an interesting intersection between politics, business, covid-19 and well-written. Submitted without judgment: https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/yesterday-i-was-levis-brand-president?s -- Last month, Jennifer Sey quit a top job at Levi’s, giving up a potential shot at C.E.O., via an essay that was widely circulated online. In the post, Sey said the clothing company where she had worked for more than 20 years warned her against expressing her personal views on social media, broadcast media and elsewhere, that closing schools during the pandemic made kids worse off. She quit instead of negotiating an exit package, which attracted even more attention to her situation. Her departure raises issues like whether corporations can control the personal speech of their employees and the politics tied to speaking on certain platforms, like Fox News opinion shows, The Times’s Sapna Maheshwari reports. Sey’s tweets went beyond just questioning school closings. She criticized guidance from the C.D.C. and accused Dr. Anthony Fauci of fearmongering. This came as Levi’s was trying to set Covid safety protocols in its stores and manage potential pushback from customers and employees. Outside of the company, Sey’s comments drew threats of boycotts. Levi’s said that its social media guidelines allow employees to speak out online, as long as they are mindful of the company’s reputation. Sey said her speech should have been protected, since she was speaking as a concerned mother, not a corporate executive. She argued she was subject to “viewpoint discrimination” by Levi’s, and said there hadn’t been a problem in the past when she spoke in support of liberal causes. Complicating matters is that executives are expected to speak out more often on social issues these days. “A private employer can impose restrictions on employees’ speech or conduct,” said Sarah Sobieraj, a professor of sociology at Tufts University. “The key issue here is where that boundary lies and what about when you’re not working.”

And don't get me wrong, I 1000% believe that if the GOP had the votes and one of the liberal judges were in the hospital or sick, GOP folks would be giddy and about that person dying so they could replace him as well. Heck, that's exactly what happened with RBG-- wouldn't be surprised there were ad-hoc bbq and cocktail parties thrown in backyards all across Kingwood and Plano and Georgetown the night she passed. I guess we've always treated a politician's life as conceptually expendable, depending on the team.

What you describe happened, I think, because until recently any dissenting opinion (or any post, really, from someone who has dissented consistently in the past) was not tolerated and neg spammed. Intolerance to reasoned disagreement created a sort of self-segregation where you had threads started around the same topic but different tones and posters. Recently and for the most part the mods have taken a stance against that sort of harassment and rep spamming and I think it will create a more colorful discussion and conversation moving forward, in the one walled garden forum where those conversations are supposed to be.

The giddiness of someone who is not abhorrently evil (e.g. Not Rush L.) potentially dying because he's not on your political team is not the best look for us humans. But I get it, that's showbiz American Politics baby!