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The Original Greaser Bob

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  1. I don't disagree with anything you say troph.  I'm just saying that this particular deal was a voluntary deal.  Surge it's part of the plan, but swaths of folks are getting RIFed as part of the overall plan. 

    I agree.  Let's base opposition on what they do.  Enough to be outraged about what they do when they do it.   

    I'm repeating myself.  I'll just wait and eat crow at some point within the next year. 

    And me eating crow has nothing to do with the pain administering that this administration revels in.  

  2. 3 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

    Interestingly I just got an employee survey with a ton of DEI questions… very right leaning management but maybe because it’s private?  I have a feeling there’s a lot of re-branding of DEI right now…

    Taking up a good deal of my time.

    Find: Diversity  Replace:       

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  3. 57 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

    Let's turn this around.   What makes you so confident throughout this process that the people who took this offer are going to be made whole?

    Made whole.  By that I assume you mean paid out for 8 months while not working?

    My argument is that these guys are in no different a position than those who remain working and don't retire.  Those who keep working are hired under whatever contractual agreement they have - presumably they can only be termed for cause.  And a reduction in force for lack of funding or other budget priorities is likely good cause. 

    So made whole under these circumstances means being able to get paid while not working for however long the job exists.  The only way I could see these guys arguing that they are owed the full eight months is for their agency to only fire people who resigned.  If they terminate people by position or group, including those who didn't resign, I'm not sure what their cause of action would be. 

    I'm not certain that these people will be "made whole" in your terminology, but I don't think it would take much effort for DOGE to finesse this without screwing them.

    They aren't trading their retirement for a Tesla Annuity.  They aren't trading their Thrift Saving Plan for Trump stock.  Their resigning with a promise that they will get garden leave for 8 months.  In the realm of Trump screw jobs, I just don't see this as super high on the list. Imagine if the worst that was being done to the federal workforce was the offer of slimy exit incentive agreements?

    And any release language could arguably cut both ways in that it could make the garden leave and related provision much more enforceable but matters outside the agreement waived.  

  4. 1 minute ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

    In other words, these promises were illegal.  And there are no guarantees that after the smoke clears on whatever CR is passed in a month (which, we all know....isn't a sure thing these days) there will be funding for people that resigned a month ago.  Other than an email "promise" typed up by someone probably not old enough to purchase beer.

    There isn't going to be funding for anyone. Including the people who worked up until government shutdown.

    I have no beef with any argument that such a move was illegal. I'm just questioning the idea that the folks who accepted this illegal offer are inevitably going to be screwed. Especially in relation to other people who just get RIFed/permanently furloughed.

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  5. 7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

    I mean, they MIGHT actually be civil servants and give a shit about their mission, not just getting paid. Because in some cases it DOES  fucking matter, ya know?

    This president ran on a platform that wanted to destroy the government.  The fact that 1/4 of the federal civil servants haven't been fired to date in some completely arbitrary way frankly amazes me.  

    These guys voluntarily resigned.  Not for a severance to be paid in a lump sum at some later date, but on the condition of garden leave.  When they get fucked, they'll get fucked.  We will soon know.  I'll save my hysteria for now on the folks that are actually gettng fired. 

    And I worked for 8 years in the federal government so quit being pissy.  Whether you or I care about civil service doesn't matter.  What matters as that the GOP doesn't care about civil service.

     

     

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  6. Well, we'll see.  They've essentially given their 8-month notice of resignation.  

    They should be suing in a couple of weeks now.  

    CFPB employees about to really be screwed.  

     

    Let me ask this question.  You're company tells you on January 12, 2025 that you can resign effective September 1, 2025 and you don't have to report in.   You don't do any work for three months, and get paid not doing it, and on April 12, 2025, you're company does a huge RIF (lack of funding) where everyone in your department is fired, including you.  Instead of resigning effective January 12, 2025, you are separated on April 12, 2025.

    What are your damages?  Under what theory?   

    What are the damages of the folks who didn't take the deal and worked January 12, 2025 - April 12, 2025?  What theory.

     

     

     

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  7. 45 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

    You think THOSE people will somehow honor a commitment drawn from thin air, not even passed by Congress, eight fucking months from now?

    I think they at worse, will stumble through paying these folks for the next eight months. 

    These folks aren't going to accept that "the checks in the mail" for eight months, and the congress will bail the administration out of any problems caused by this.

    This is essentially eight months of garden leave.  These folks aren't just going to sit around for eight months and then ask - oh, about my 16 delinquent pay checks.

     

     

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  8. I'm still trying to figure out why this is garnering so much outrage, especially relative to the other stuff going on.  Although maybe it's just par for the course and the overall weight of everythiiing.

    However, the employees are going to be able to rely on representations, etc. that were made by their managers on these matters. The idea that they would have no recourse flies in the face of employment law in general, let alone federal employment tribunals.

  9. I'm trying to graduate from just posting gifs to actually getting to some sense of awareness again.

    Our betrayal of Ukraine is the starkest example of the absolute capitulation by the Republicans of any semblance of belief in democratic ideals.  WTF.

    There are support mechanisms for the people affected by GOP domestic terrorism.  But no one in Europe can stand in for the hole we are leaving and no one in Europe is more of a Putin puppet than Trump.  Revolting and such a stain on this country.

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  10. Wico in San Antonio in May.  Just read Tweedy autobiography which was really good. If you missed it when it came out 8 years ago, and you don't know everything about them already, it's pretty good.

  11. 4 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

    Agree agree agree. We caught it on Netflix recently and it was great to have the old gang back. All time family favorite is the short where Wallace takes the rocket to the moon (A Grand Day Out) and encounters the robot.

    Interactive remote control recruitment unit. (Wallace & Gromit - A ...

     

    I had quite the emotional response t that robot.

    Whenever the subject of cheese comes up in the house, me or my daughters always say "Cheese!" in their best Wallace voice.  Whenever someone actually takes a bit of a piece of cheese from a board/platter, we query:  "Wenslydale?"  

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