Posts posted by The Original Greaser Bob
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The premise of this thread is important, but I think we are at a point where we just approach this as if Trump and his cult are the enemy of the country and we just have to accept that the folks who voted for him are beyond redemption.
Anyone who comes around -- that's gravy. And if they come around, they need to be treated like the prodigal son.
We need to laser focus on the enemies of the country who have power through money or political office. We all bear the repercussions of allowing them to seize power. I'm not getting much joy out of shaming the victims who were irresponsible with their votes.
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4 minutes ago, Red Five said:
For 10 years it's been "the democrats should do this, or that, or this...." when I think the problem is that it's really tough to counter telling shitty people that it's perfectly ok for them to be as shitty as they want. There is no "left" version of that.
This is a great point. Maybe the only advice to give is is that they should approach all of their issues as if there are "no shitty people, just shitty ideas." When one side has no shame, what is the value in belittling them? There isn't really any satisfaction either.
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Saw a story on the uncertainty in the auto industry in Mexico and was pretty enraged.
I love my country and I know what uniform I have to wear but I love other countries as much and I hate when this asshole needlessly fucks with them.
Agree on the uncertainty. Trump can change 180 degrees and he'll still be the hero to his cult. Or not change and still be the hero.
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21 minutes ago, 6th Street said:
Gavin Newsom is breaking from the party on trans in sports. Yes it's a fringe issue, but matters to our voter base which is largely comprised of mouth breathing trogolodytes.
This goes to the heart of what wildcat is arguing about accepting the framing of the GOP message.
"Breaking from the party"?
I think if a recipient of federal funds or an entity engaged in interstate commerce can show that a trans athlete has an unfair biological advantage in an athletic event then they can ban the trans athlete form competing against non-trans athletes. I'd even give them the relatively low "rational basis" test for their biological proof.
Is that "breaking from the party"?
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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:
I think they communicated to voters as well as they possibly could have that they wanted to stop immigration and had negotiated a very "strong" immigration bill and that Trump killed it. So the question is how did their communication fail?
The strong bill was obviously too late in the game. And they didn't have someone who was doing the photo ops at the border that would have shown some vigor and reminded people that it was a priority.
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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:
Biden ramped up deportations to record levels and he and Kamala (and all other Dems running in 2024) ran as fast as they could from trans issues.
Do you think Biden and Kamala did a good job of communicating any successes on the border? Agree on the running from trans issues - they could have been more supportive while still providing a more directed message on the idiocy of the anti-trans morons.
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10 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:
Of course I'm not fucking happy with the results. I'm saying that the shitty results are the results of your proposed solution because the campaign strategists that run political campaigns for Democrats have been doing what you propose since fucking 1992.
I'm not really sure what he's proposing. To me the lesson learned is that a very progressive approach to economic and welfare issues is a politically winnable strategy as long as you don't lead with certain identity issues that may not be as politically expedient. (Bernie instead of Hillary). If you're going to propose a new New Deal, you need to decide whether it makes sense to adda trans rights rider or couple it with affirmative action policies.
You can remain radically progressive on identity and social issues, but perhaps the best approach is to support legal protections while not making them a cornerstone of the platform.
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13 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:Yes, dumbfucks like Brett Stevens want to hold Democrats accountable while Trump burns everything to the ground with zero pushback.
I think we should hold Dems accountable for strategy and marketing. You can do that while still supporting Dem policies.
I was in DC this weekend, and we were driving into a parking garage and there was a sign about going to a "Trans Visibility March". (The pasta station in Union Market at NoMa was pretty good.)
Politically, sometimes it's good for the march, sometimes not. Politically, sometimes it is the hot issue of the day, and sometimes it's not.
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Trump’s America
in Cloak Room
Every time I think of that couch in the oval office.