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The Original Greaser Bob

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  1. 1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

    Different time, different set of facts on the ground now. A fine symbolic gesture, though. Should provide material for much self-congratulation.  

    Somewhere between symbolic gestures and reasonable gun control is where negotiation and legislation are supposed to happen.  The Republicans aren't even attempting to engage in that. 

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  2. 1 hour ago, Captainant said:

    It's fucking bad everywhere. Even in the place it shouldn't be. (American) Christianity is too accepting of hate and bigotry and does nothing to reign in or speak against it's worst members

    Pretty much add every other institution and most people as being too accepting of hate. Mainstream, non-evangelical churches tend to obey the tax rules and avoid pontificating in the media, let alone from the pulpit.  I would say they, on the whole, try to encourage individuals to act in a non-hateful way.

  3. I guess netted out, the evangelicals have stolen all the oxygen in the room, so some pretty anti-Christian and religious sentiments an understandably acceptable short cut.

    As someone who was a Catholic for 18 years and then has dabbled with soft-shelled Methodism since then, I've found it pretty easy not to be controlling or prosletyzing or anti-science, and by and large I haven't been involved in particular congregations that have encouraged individuals to engage in that behavior. 

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  4. 12 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

    Religion is not a tool for understanding anything. It’s a tool for controlling people’s behavior.

    You  seem willing to give science a broad definition but your pretty set on a silly and absolutely counter-intuitive definition of religion on the other.  (I'm not expecting you to read all my posts, but this is especially true since I only joined this threat to speak of the benefits of metaphorical truth.)  Most definitions rely on faith or worship.  Clearly, it is relatively easy to find a church or denomination which is not dominated by control of others.  Certainly it's easy to find Christian denominations who aren't remotely anti-science.

    The abuse of any large organization will lead to "controlling peoples behavior".  You certainly will admit that scientific dogma has attempted to control other scientists. 

    It is good that you stopped, because you were basically defining your terms to fit your preconceived ideas. 

     

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  5. 2 hours ago, nbmishoid said:

    As a dick, I tend to the sciences, hard and otherwise, to understand my place in the world.

    I noticed you left out "existence itself" and relationships to others.

    Science is a language used to explain the world, as is history and religion.  There is nothing remotely "anti-religioius" about science.  A religioius person understands science just like everyone else.  

    The scientist, who pushes religion away, is simply pushing a tool for understanding away, just like he would if he pushed history, or the classics, of the study of Western Civilization. 

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  6. On 4/7/2023 at 9:54 AM, horn4life said:

    Now let me be clear I am heterosexual.  Always have been, assume I always will be. 

    For clarification, I too, am hetro-sexual.  Always have been to the extent I can remember. 

    Now if there were some disease that killed off all the women in the world, I am not sure how positive I could be about remaining such.  I rarely think about such a scenario.  Almost never.

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  7. 7 hours ago, TheRealRonWeaver? said:

    Or you could skip unnecessary steps and just not be a dick. Less profitable for religious corporations but your neighbors will appreciate it all the same.

    Edit:  I think I originally read your statement wrong.  You're saying, just don't be a dick -- you don't need religion to help you not be a dick.  Understood.  I don't really think religion is about good behavior.  To me it's more about fashioning an understanding of your own existence.  The fact that it's an opiate for the masses means that it has indeed had protective and restorative powers, and destructive powers, and ones involvement is such can help one understand one's relationship to others, to the earth, and to existence itself. 

    Original response:

    I'll admit to not following every post on this thread, but explain to me how someone who goes to church every Sunday, who is involved with chartiable work with said church, believe is a strict separation of church and state, doesn't prosletyze, and who votes completely the opposite of the religious right, is "being a dick".  The person goes to church for the discipline, the meditative aspects, and because of his own search for meaning in this world. 

    And for the frankly self-serving motive of general health:

    For example, researchers at the Mayo Clinic concluded, “Most studies have shown that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes, including greater longevity, coping skills, and health-related quality of life (even during terminal illness) and less anxiety, depression, and suicide.

     

  8. 20 hours ago, nbmishoid said:

    And have any of you encountered someone from the Boston area, who claims to have ancestry to the Mayflower?  These might be the biggest assholes, outside of Texas and Florida.  

    My wife's dad makes such a claim. They all became Congregationalist (although they did move out to western Mass. to conquer the Indians and invent insurance.)  And if being on the cutting edge of the abolutionist movement in America makes you an asshole, they are all right by me. 

  9. So I was in Ireland last month and went to the big Friary in Killarney.   They were doing confessions and as a lapsed Catholic I decided to go.  It was nice.  Although my last confession was at least five years ago and I got a hefty penance to do.

    I really think the most healthy way to live ones life is to treat soft-shell, loving religion as metaphorical truth.  It allows one to practice social engagement, truth, and mental wellness, and it gives one at least a bit of the ability to try to understand those with a more literal (and often harmful) bent.

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  10. 36 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

    Is this bitch going to jail yet?

    Honestly the fact so many Americans are supporting this after all the malfeasance and insurrection means we're doomed as a country no matter how this shakes out. Just locking this bitch up and forcing a his supporters to make a move first is the preferable way to enter the void

    Fuck us Texans.  No majority of Americans has ever voted for Trump.

    We bitches rubber stamp Ted Cruz.

     

     

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  11. 13 hours ago, Voldemort86 said:

    I don’t follow or keep up with these psychos, but have they made a bill that’s coming after delta 8 yet?  These folks are miserable and don’t want anyone to be happy or have any fun.

    I drove our Delta 88 (the big car) to prom.  Much nicer than the Plymouth Signet (the little car).

     

  12. 35 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

    You’re telescoping a couple of centuries of development there, though. The only colony advocating separation of church and state early on was Rhode Island-established as a refuge because Roger Williams was expelled from Massachusetts as a heretic, precisely because the Puritans did NOT believe in it.

    Of course that's your contention. You're a first year grad student. You just finished some Marxian
    historian, Pete Garrison probably, and so naturally that's what you believe until next month when you 
    get to James Lemon and get convinced that Virginia and Pennsylvania were strongly entrepreneurial and 
    capitalist back in 1740. That'll last until sometime in your second year, then you'll be in here
    regurgitating Gordon Wood about the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military
    mobilization.
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  13. 4 hours ago, YGIFS said:

    About to be indicted by the Dept. of Justice/U.S. Marshal Service, State of Georgia/whatever GA stateys are called, and possibly State of New York/Albany AG. 

    Not that I'm not all for it, but based on my sitting the fuck around waiting for them to act...

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  14. 39 minutes ago, dcbc said:

    I don't think it would be, and I get your point.  But the Legion of Dumb is going to bitch no matter what.  Now if the judge were related to Stormy (like say her "step-brother"), had produced one of her fine films, or had left a review of one of said films on Rotten Tomatoes or the like, it might be a little closer of a question. 

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  15. 2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

    Anyone else old enough to remember Gary Hart getting caught in an affair? He was launched into the sun and never heard from again. Trump actually fucking a porn star isn't/wasn't even a scandal. He could have talked openly about it in October of 2016 and still won the election. 

    Monkey business >>>> fucking a porn star

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  16. All this focus on Trump just such basic Republican playbook stuff.  Get outraged about this while the Repubs focus on school board and local stuff and putting God back in the classrooms. 

    Hypnotize Dems with Trump.  Focus on school boards and local elections.  Profit.

    If Dems put their efforts into only the most local politics, the Repubs would never have been able to show their true colors.

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  17. I think it is not very likely.  However, I'm glad they are going to let the justice system play out on this one. 

    I really want the other indictments to follow asap, and feel the same way.  I am doubtful of convictions, but there is enough out there to put indicate him on many of his actions. 

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