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Posts posted by The Original Greaser Bob
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24 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:
the economy is great. people are better off than they were under Trump. the only problems we have with the economy are BECAUSE of Trump's policies and presidency. This election will be about a good economy, lowest unemployment in 50 years, WOMEN's RIGHTS, the fucking supreme court, and oh yeah DEMOCRACY. If those issues don't get the same 2020 voters plus a shitload of people who previously supported Trump to switch sides then we deserve the dystopian future that would be in store for us all with another Trump presidency.
this is a stupid fucking argument at this point. Biden has had what many consider to be the most legislatively successful 3.5 years of any president in the last 50 years. He has a booming economy at his back and bright future ahead.
You do realize that the only reason we are having this conversation is that the bolded portion? That the bolded portion does appear to be ready to completely trump the unbolded portion?
The argument is that a new candidate will be able to jettison the age issue while carrying virtually all the positive baggage from Biden's Presidency.
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I want this guy:
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6 hours ago, DFW Horn said:
All it took was agreeing to forgo TV revenue shares for...how many years? Good thing SMU can afford it.
Very stoked about SMU.
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I mean, if most of the judges and legislators and ex-Presidents weren't complete scumbags, the ruling wouldn't seem all that bad.
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I realize it's a question of where you want to die, but dammit, why does Ireland have to be so high?
World Cost of Living Calculator: 9294 cities, 197 countries (livingcost.org)
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Yeah, it's Kamala plus a potentially interesting VP - someone who can talk Supreme Court.
18 minutes ago, David Dennison said:How do you replace him if he doesn't want to be replaced?
VP immunity.
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I guess the way I look at this is as if we were playing for the national championship. Quinn has taken us there, but he breaks his throwing hand before the championship. He's still a better quarterback than the other guy, and Texas is still embued with more cosmic goodness, and hasn't he won all the games until now?
But the betting odds drop since we've got no more passing game. Ohio State are still the scumbags they always were.
So are we not going to give Manning or ANY of the other reserve quarterbacks a chance? And aren't our odds going to go up with all of those alternatives?
Are you disagreeing with the premise or are you just thinking we are all trolls for discussing it, because discussing it makes it worse?
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48 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:
What is the name of this Hail Mary?
Pete, Kamala, Gavin, Josh, Gretchen (Go Green Go White) there's a shitload and I realize it most certainly will be Kamala.
Anyone who can address an abortion question by not pivoting to immigration. Anyone who can succinctly point out the structural barriers the republicans are building and want to build into democracy.
Literally everyone one who was going to vote for Biden anyway will support them, literally everyone who was supporting Biden will be more energized by them, and literally every independent who is on the fence will think they are a better alternative than Biden.
Was my fantasy two years ago, is my fantasy now, and is only a fantasy.
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1 hour ago, Red Five said:
Shit got real last week. Biden got a layup question in the debate about abortion, and five seconds later he was talking about "illegals" crossing the border and killing people. People are freaked out man.
Justifiably right?
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1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:
Fuck the media. So a bad debate performance is disqualifying, but trying to actively end our democracy and being a convicted felon and rapist isn’t?
1) The media only cares about who is going to win. They've mistaken the idea that appearing to be non-biased requires them to focus on the winning and not the underlying mendacity and its dangers.
2) Maybe you should watch more MSNBC.
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44 minutes ago, David Dennison said:
He's the incumbent. The odds of him beating Trump are very good.
I'm not sure it matters in this one. But I'd gladly give up making a correlation is not causation argument if Biden wins.
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That wasn't a fucking cold.
I don't mind the argument that really shitty Biden is better than Trump, or even that a demented Biden is better than Trump, but the cold argument is aggy on injected-in-the-ass-steroids.
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6 hours ago, Brandywine said:
Even as bad as Joe looked and debated, Trump’s performance just convinced a lot of people that they don’t want Trump’s lies and insane behavior back in the White House.
No matter who the Dem candidate could conceivably be, correct?
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3 hours ago, Michael Knight said:
Trump is 3 years younger than Biden and is insane
The voting public is much younger than that on average and almost 50% is as insane.
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1 hour ago, 'stache said:
Yay, more "centrists and democrats" undermining the candidate to the benefit of a fascist. Even if you feel that way, this isn't something you make public if you actually give a shit about defeating donald trump. You don't see any "centrists" or "republicans" constantly posting about trump's obvious problems. Again, because each side is playing by different rules. It's absolute madness.
Again, I don't get this. The rule is to win the Presidency. If you believe
a) the electorate is uniquely fucked up and is about to vote for a lying sack of shit
b) you think this uniquely fucked up electorate is more likely to elect a handful of Dems not named Biden rather than Biden.
Then you arguably should be screaming this from the mountaintops if you think it's a better strategy than sticking with Biden, because you don't have much time to get this ball rolling.
And I do think that unless the polls show a huge drop, this yelling from the mountaintop will be damaging because Biden is going to refuse to drop out.
(Not sure while I am using "from the mountaintop". It could be from anywhere.)
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35 minutes ago, 'stache said:
So should they go find a failed business man and celebrity who constantly lies and is a convicted felon who will shit all over people he/she doesn't like? That's what the people want, so I guess we just play the game. Fuck it, I truly think it doesn't even matter anymore.
That's not the argument I'm making. They should go find a successful business person or celebrity who tells the truth and who respects others.
Then they will do their best to limit the number of possible handicaps - Poor health, too old, lack of name recognition, ugly, poor speaker, etc.
Biden had a big fucking handicap when the Dems nominated him last time. It worked out. They gambled on it again. But they could have cut a deal to make it a one term deal based on his age, and that didn't happen. It's okay. Arguably a reasonable bet. Sort of.
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Okay, bad example. Spain from invading Russia.
Just for the sea battles.
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2 minutes ago, troph said:
HOW THE FUCK DID WE GET TO A PLACE WHERE SOMEONE COULD INVADE A EUROPEAN COUNTRY AND WE THINK STOPPING THAT IS A BAD IDEA??
I wouldn't try to stop Greece from invading Turkey.
Just for the shenanigans.
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37 minutes ago, 'stache said:
How so? How do you convince people who are either completely brainwashed or too stupid to think through actual public policy that positions and competence are more important than bluster and how well you respond to a fat buffoon rambling on stage about his golf game?
How is it the Dems fault if they lose? It's the same reason it's the fault of Texas if we lose to Washington in football. The fact that we live in a seemly unmatched period of stupidity just means it's a harder game for the Dems to play, but they still have to play it. Everyone went into this with an open mind that his age could be a problem. When I mentioned it a few months back I was excoriated because incumbency was such an important advantage.
Dems might get outflanked on this one. Their fault. That's not to say that the game was even winnable in this environment - it might not be. But if policy truly doesn't matter because of the stupidity of the populace, you're taking a gamble by hoping policy alone wins out.
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10 minutes ago, 'stache said:
I just can't comprehend how it's the democrat's fault that Donald Trump is a legitimate candidate.
Sure, but ultimately, who cares? It WILL be the Dems fault if Donald Trump wins the Presidency again, just like it was the Dems fault that he won it the first time.
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14 minutes ago, Captainant said:
No no, you're supposed to say your boat was out of wifi! 😛
White Rock Lake was angry that day, my friends.
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Age Concern Troll checking in.
I missed the debate. (I'm trying to learn to sail. Snipe - what a stupid boat).
I'm all in with the Dems on this one, so I'm fine with Joe, smokey Kamala, gay Pete, or the Californian.
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Screw all that. I just want Pepe to score tonight.
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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:
We are a nation of 3rd grade bullies.
And Dems aren't responding in kind.
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Huh?
Worst case scenario for Biden is a loss, which equals Trump's best case scenario.