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The Original Greaser Bob

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  1. Pretty much add every other institution and most people as being too accepting of hate. Mainstream, non-evangelical churches tend to obey the tax rules and avoid pontificating in the media, let alone from the pulpit. I would say they, on the whole, try to encourage individuals to act in a non-hateful way.
  2. I guess netted out, the evangelicals have stolen all the oxygen in the room, so some pretty anti-Christian and religious sentiments an understandably acceptable short cut. As someone who was a Catholic for 18 years and then has dabbled with soft-shelled Methodism since then, I've found it pretty easy not to be controlling or prosletyzing or anti-science, and by and large I haven't been involved in particular congregations that have encouraged individuals to engage in that behavior.
  3. You seem willing to give science a broad definition but your pretty set on a silly and absolutely counter-intuitive definition of religion on the other. (I'm not expecting you to read all my posts, but this is especially true since I only joined this threat to speak of the benefits of metaphorical truth.) Most definitions rely on faith or worship. Clearly, it is relatively easy to find a church or denomination which is not dominated by control of others. Certainly it's easy to find Christian denominations who aren't remotely anti-science. The abuse of any large organization will lead to "controlling peoples behavior". You certainly will admit that scientific dogma has attempted to control other scientists. It is good that you stopped, because you were basically defining your terms to fit your preconceived ideas.
  4. I noticed you left out "existence itself" and relationships to others. Science is a language used to explain the world, as is history and religion. There is nothing remotely "anti-religioius" about science. A religioius person understands science just like everyone else. The scientist, who pushes religion away, is simply pushing a tool for understanding away, just like he would if he pushed history, or the classics, of the study of Western Civilization.
  5. For clarification, I too, am hetro-sexual. Always have been to the extent I can remember. Now if there were some disease that killed off all the women in the world, I am not sure how positive I could be about remaining such. I rarely think about such a scenario. Almost never.
  6. Edit: I think I originally read your statement wrong. You're saying, just don't be a dick -- you don't need religion to help you not be a dick. Understood. I don't really think religion is about good behavior. To me it's more about fashioning an understanding of your own existence. The fact that it's an opiate for the masses means that it has indeed had protective and restorative powers, and destructive powers, and ones involvement is such can help one understand one's relationship to others, to the earth, and to existence itself. Original response: I'll admit to not following every post on this thread, but explain to me how someone who goes to church every Sunday, who is involved with chartiable work with said church, believe is a strict separation of church and state, doesn't prosletyze, and who votes completely the opposite of the religious right, is "being a dick". The person goes to church for the discipline, the meditative aspects, and because of his own search for meaning in this world. And for the frankly self-serving motive of general health: For example, researchers at the Mayo Clinic concluded, “Most studies have shown that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes, including greater longevity, coping skills, and health-related quality of life (even during terminal illness) and less anxiety, depression, and suicide.
  7. My wife's dad makes such a claim. They all became Congregationalist (although they did move out to western Mass. to conquer the Indians and invent insurance.) And if being on the cutting edge of the abolutionist movement in America makes you an asshole, they are all right by me.
  8. So I was in Ireland last month and went to the big Friary in Killarney. They were doing confessions and as a lapsed Catholic I decided to go. It was nice. Although my last confession was at least five years ago and I got a hefty penance to do. I really think the most healthy way to live ones life is to treat soft-shell, loving religion as metaphorical truth. It allows one to practice social engagement, truth, and mental wellness, and it gives one at least a bit of the ability to try to understand those with a more literal (and often harmful) bent.
  9. Fuck us Texans. No majority of Americans has ever voted for Trump. We bitches rubber stamp Ted Cruz.
  10. I drove our Delta 88 (the big car) to prom. Much nicer than the Plymouth Signet (the little car).
  11. This all seems like a low-tech, second rate electronic bulletin board lynching to me.
  12. Of course that's your contention. You're a first year grad student. You just finished some Marxian historian, Pete Garrison probably, and so naturally that's what you believe until next month when you get to James Lemon and get convinced that Virginia and Pennsylvania were strongly entrepreneurial and capitalist back in 1740. That'll last until sometime in your second year, then you'll be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood about the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization.
  13. Look, I'm not saying the Puritans wouldn't have established a theocracy. I'm just saying that they ultimately didn't -- they just hung a few Quakers. They founded Harvard and were the Congregationalists, and we know how liberal those guys became. The separation of church and state as a political idea was taking hold.
  14. I get the distorted view of the 2nd amendment. I disagree with it, but I get it. But this religious nationalism -- fuck, I thought we were over that by the time the Puritans came over. No, we weren't over wacky hardcore burning witches religion -- I just thought that we were kind of over the the idea of a theocracy doing the burning.
  15. All this focus on Trump just such basic Republican playbook stuff. Get outraged about this while the Repubs focus on school board and local stuff and putting God back in the classrooms. Hypnotize Dems with Trump. Focus on school boards and local elections. Profit. If Dems put their efforts into only the most local politics, the Repubs would never have been able to show their true colors.
  16. I think it is not very likely. However, I'm glad they are going to let the justice system play out on this one. I really want the other indictments to follow asap, and feel the same way. I am doubtful of convictions, but there is enough out there to put indicate him on many of his actions.
  17. I used to be a DOL lawyer and got to go down into a coal mine to see a longwall near Beckley, WV. Holy shit, that was dark. I am claustrophobic as fuck now - don't think I could do that again.
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