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I expect those 15-20 yard Helm shots to reappear with Ewers back in the lineup.

I think she has some Russian contacts that would happily squeeze this particular turnip. And I'm here for it.

You should really ask yourself why you're glad about that. It was a non issue for you and pretty much every other Texan. It didn't need a law at all. You need to see this exactly for what it is. You're promoting hate whether you realize it or not.

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with having this feeling or opinion. We have arguments about all kinds of rules in sports, and this would just be one more. And it would be one more that, statistically, affects almost nobody. So, the reason folks who are adamant about this issue are called bigoted is not because they express an opinion like the above, it is because it very clearly is a pretext to punish a class of people they hate. I haven't seen you arguing for government mandates and calling out the transgendered as pedophiles and child molesters. If you're not trying to wage a political war on this simple sport rule making issue, then you aren't the problem. You if you don't think that passing laws limiting the participation of transgendered individuals in sports is one of the most important issues this election season, then you aren't whom the accusations of bigotry are aimed at. I've not been coy at all. I think allowing more people to compete is generally a good thing. But, like you, I don't believe the government should be involved in rule making for sports bodies. Especially not for an issue that will impact only a fraction of a percent of the population in any meaningful way. Unlike you, I recognize the push for those laws for what it is: a pretext for bigotry and hatred. No one in this thread has claimed sex is irrelevant in sports. I specifically addressed how important hormone differences are in determining physical attributes and you laughed it off as impossible to address because cycling has an issue with doping. Your comment was about being glad to be living in a state where the laws protects your daughters. I just pointed the utter hypocrisy of being glad about a law that will "protect" them from an issue as rare as being struck by lightning while in exchange exposing them to health risk that every woman faces. The fact that you don't see that both sets of laws for what they are--bigoted laws designed to control and minimize certain class of citizens--is completely on you.

(This post wasn't supposed to be quoting here, but I can't delete it on Mobile) I'm suggesting it is all arbitrary. Fairness isn't the issue. Allowing more people to participate is. There is recent historic precedent for women's sports being one such divider, but it is hardly the only divider we have used historically. I don't even think it is necessarily a bad divider. But I do think legislating that divider via force of government and trying to do so uniformly for all sports is a not only a misuse of government resources, but also fucking idiotic. More critically, I don't think those pushing this issue now give a god damn about women's sports but instead are doing it solely to punish a class individuals they have decided to hate. It is bigotry that drives the narrative now just like sexism drove many of the dividers are society erected between men and women and how racism drove similar dividers between blacks and whites. I'm not going to pretend that bigots are doing anything but being bigots.

They ran the same story because both are Sinclair owned stations. This was not an independent call. It is part of Sinclair's right wing propaganda to continue this culture war and persecute transgendered individuals. It isn't a new source. It is the exact same source with the exact same story.

What is the issue in your mind? Again, if the question is "fairness" it is a false premise. Sports aren't fair. Some people will have huge physical advantages. I'm all for having additional leagues representing different skill levels. It is great when more people can participate and contribute. I think it is a legit good. But this concern for sanctity of women's athletics is very clearly false and being used for nothing more than prosecuting a culture war. And let me be clear, I have nothing but contempt for the people pursuing it.

23 - 19 Texas.

Trading service errors right now.

It wasn't a real proposal ya loon.

Nice run so far.

They called a touch. Interesting.

Winner under review.

I don't think anyone doubts the game happened. There is video of it. It's just that nothing about that video indicates that anything special happened. Injuries like that happen all the time.

Y'all just told me that it isnt possible to have highly skilled, but not necessarily physically strong, women can compete with men. I thought skill wasn't relevant. But sure, we can just do @troph's suggestion and divide people by overall skill level irrespective of gender or hormones. I'm all good with that too. Again, I think this search for fairness is misguided because by its very nature, sports are unfair. Lebron has an unfair physical advantage against 99.99999999% of the population. What we really care about for the most part is dividing it up so more people can participate. That's it.

Frankly, since hormones drive the majority of physical differences that matter to sports, if you wanted to be more fair you'd have different classes based on hormone levels. I mean, fuck, look at Lebron James in high school. Was it really fair for other high schools kids to have play against him? What does fair even fucking mean in this context? Its a sport. Its a contest. Someone is going to be better than others. It is the very nature of the thing. We add more subclasses, whether it be JV and varsity teams, weight classes in wrestling, or men's an women's teams, to allow more people to participate. We can divide it up as many times as people want. But it'll never really be fair because it can't be.

I have no idea what point you're making. You suggested hate wasn't the reason for the outrage, citing that poll. I pointed out that the poll in fact supports the conclusion that hate is a driving force behind the outrage. Do you disagree that people that want transgender bathroom laws (which btw, we don't have for anyone else) are doing so out of the same sort of discriminatory animus that led to segregated facilities based on race? If I'm right (which I definitely am), then of the 58% that favored laws limiting transgender participation in women's sports, at least 70% of them are doing so because of hate.

No. I'm not. I've already said that opinions on it varied. But I've also pointed out that vocal element pushing the issue now aren't doing it out of concern for fairness in women's sports. They are doing it out of hate. And that is what that polling shows. That 41% that want transgender folks to be forced to use a certain bathroom under penalty of law? That's fucking hate. That's all it is. These are the same folks that wanted blacks to use colored facilities. Its the same discriminatory story repeating itself.

1. People get injured in sports all the time. It does not take a transgender person for it to happen. 2. I don't think anyone is downplaying the biologic differences. The primary issue is hormones and the fact is that there is a wide range of values even among those with same chromosomes. Sex isn't strictly binary and neither is hormonal distribution. There is a discussion to be had within individual sports and how to divide competitors up. But it certainly doesn't need to be legislated or unified across all sports.

You don't think people in favor of laws limiting the medical treatment a trans person can get, limiting where they can go to the bathroom, and limiting whether their very existence can be taught about at school don't have some fucking hate in their heart? Women use men's restrooms at public events all the fucking time because of the lines. There is no law against it. The people in favor of laws for trans people ONLY want those laws to apply to trans people. It is punishment. It is hate. That's all the fuck it is.

No it wasn't. The hate was your goal. Embrace the shittiness of your character.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I already did. Apparently we've decided this discussion belongs here, which is fine with me either way.

You're confused. He cares that a poor student is being attacked and made a spectacle of for political grandstanding. He cares about the hate some have for the fellow human beings. This isn't about sports in the slightest, and you know it.

I think you should take your previous advice and not wade into areas that you're completely ignorant of.