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  1. I covered those earlier. Golden was only blanketed because the defender pushed off. It should have been PI. The Moore throw is a TD if Moore turns to his outside shoulder like he is supposed to there.
  2. Dude, you're just wrong on the Moore throw. Quinn is throwing that entirely based on pre-snap read. He throws it the second Moore makes his break and throws it where Moore is breaking to. Moore drifts back towards the coverage because he turns inside looking for the ball. If he starts out turning outside, he easily adjusts for the ball. Right now (below) Quinn is starting his throw. Moore is running free to corner of the endzone away from the defender. The route is designed to go there. Here it is a frame later with the ball out of Quinn's hand. Again, Moore is running free to the corner of the endzone where the ball lands. For some reason, Moore than turns inside to look for the ball rather than just going where the play is setup, this take his body inside towards the defender: If Moore just keeps running the same direction, he has a TD. Quinn can't know he is going to turn inside at the time he threw the ball. There is no reason for Moore to do so. We've bitched a million times about how Quinn throws the post skinny, usually unnecessarily dragging his receiver towards coverage rather than throwing it to open grass. He finally throws it to open grass, and the receiver drags himself inside towards coverage. I agree the throw to Wingo wasn't ideal. He threw it too high for Wingo to make a play. But that also avoids any chance of an INT, which I think is the thought process there. It happens. If he gets that just a couple of inches lower, Wingo has a decent chance to elevate and make a catch. But yes, he should have just drilled him immediately, but I don't think Quinn responded quickly enough to Wingo beating his man off the line to do that. Wingo wasn't his first read there. He initially looks right before coming back to Wingo on the left side.
  3. He made two just in the first half examples I posted earlier (bolded below). I'd also call this an off schedule play: https://youtu.be/Uc52IPbPpXo?si=c3XMXwqYdIOOanN9&t=1190 Busted play with ball snapped before Quinn or anyone else was ready. Nice completion on 3rd and 26 against blitz to get yardage for either 4th and 9 attempt or FG.
  4. I disagree that non-mobile QB creates problems with the run game. I would say that a mobile QB can create advantages for the run game. But is most certainly possible to have a team with a good run game against good defensive teams without a mobile QB. In fact, we have had a good run good against good defensive teams this year. We are good in against power dlines. We apparently don't deal well with very fast dlines. Ergo, we just don't matchup well particularly with Georgia very well in the run game. That's not really on Quinn, but certainly we might be able to create more favorable matchups with a more mobile QB. We really weren't in the redzone all game, largely because of penalties. We ran 12 plays in or right at the redzone (Georgia 20 yard line) through OT. 6:43 in the 1st, 1&10 at the 21. Incomplete pass and offensive pass interference (Bond) on the throw to helm. 12:00 in the 2nd, 1&10 at the 22. Wisner run for 3 yards, offensive holding (Bond). 4:50 in the 2nd, 2&5 from the 19. Incomplete to Wisner (threw ball away after instant pressure) 4:45 in the 2nd, 3&5 from the 19. Incomplete to Moore (almost pick on misread of coverage). 0:29 in the 4th, 1&10 from the 14. Sacked (fake double screen, we don't block at all on the right side and give 2 guys a free run at Quinn) 0:24 in the 4th, 2&15 from 19. Quinn throws the ball high to Wingo at the 1 yard line. He appeared to be thinking throw it high to give Wingo a chance to jump for it without risking an INT. Ball was way too high so he didn't have a chance. 0:22 in 4th, 3&15 from the 19. Screen to Wingo. Wingo drops it and probably not going anywhere even if he caught it. OT, 2&5 from the 20. Incomplete to Blue OT, 3&5 from the 20. Tight throw to Wingo on a slant. Good throw and good catch, 1st down. OT, 1&10 from 14. Incomplete to Golden. DB got away with a bit of a push with full extension of the arm that threw Golden off and allowed the defender to stay in position on the double move. Probably a TD without that. https://youtu.be/Uc52IPbPpXo?si=T-AulOKONhGy82wN&t=4112 OT, 2&10 from the 14. Incomplete to Moore. Fade to Moore. Not a great throw, but he is sending Moore to grass on a fade. If QB and receiver are on the same page, this is a TD. Y'all will blame this on Quinn, but given the play call, Moore has to be expecting the ball to his outside shoulder, he initially turns inside instead. OT, 3&10 from the 14. Quick flat pass complete to Wisner for 1 yard loss. We got Wisner one on one with the safety, which is the goal of the play. He breaks a tackle and it is a TD. Good play by Georgia. Quinn may have been able to hit Wingo trailing if he sees it, but Wingo was jogging and we got what we wanted here so its hard to blame the QB for running the play as designed. Pass could have been better and give Tre a bit more a chance. Overall, in the redzone, Quinn had one really bad throw (maybe two if you count the offensive PI play) and one really good throw. He had 2 throws that could have been TDs if the throw were slightly better or the receiver made a play. He one play that would have been a TD absent a missed PI. There were 2 plays were Georgia just made a play or beat our play call. 2 plays were busted on penalties. And 2 plays were just broken due to lack of execution elsewhere. Quinn could be better. Quinn has limitations. He sometimes self-sacks. He falls in love with his pre-snap read. And his mechanics breakdown a lot leading to bad throws. But, in this particular game, he played about as well as he has all season. I've said that multiple times in this thread. We should use Arch in the redzone against teams like Georgia. Quinn isn't going to elevate the team in the redzone. That's true. He isn't the answer to our problems but he also isn't the cause of them. Our problems are bigger than individual players in the redzone. The reality is that Sark's redzone offense just isn't good without the threat of a power run game. I think Arch gives us a better chance simply because it creates at least some potential schematic problems for defenses that our normal offense simply doesn't.
  5. I agree with all of that. I'm not really directing my posts to you. I'm directing to them folks like @BurntEyes and @BurntOrange&White who appear to blame the whole thing on Quinn and suggest he was terrible and made no plays for us. It is fucking ridiculous hyperbole. Quinn played one of his best games of the season on Saturday. If Wingo plays one of his best game of the season, we win the game. If Tre (and the oline) plays one of his best game of the season, we win the game. If Bond plays one of his best games, we win the game. If Bert plays one of his best games, we win the fucking game. Our offense has been in a funk where we can only get a couple of pieces playing well at any one time. We need more if we expect to play for a championship.
  6. Then give him credit for plays he did make and don't act like it was all bad. I think in any play, with the benefit of hindsight and the All 22, it is possible to find someone for a QB to throw to. It just isn't realistic to expect your QB to always find that in live action. Even great QBs are going to miss those. Quinn was the best part of our offense on Saturday. He just was. Now, were Quinn a VY or Colt McCoy or a Gabriel, would we have been better off? Sure. We would also have been better if Tre were Ricky, Conner were Studdard, Goosby were Banks, Wingo were Roy Williams (in college), Major were Sendlein, and Cam Williams were Blalock. I'm just not sure what the point of that type of comparison is.
  7. I'm not being hard on Golden at all. It would have been a great catch. He played very well in general. But those are the types of plays you have to make at this level if you want to win a championship. Y'all have been dissecting every play made by Quinn and blame him for not being 10% better on this throw or 10% better on that throw. Y'all blame him for not making the amazing play to elevate the team. What I'm fucking saying is if Golden makes that catch, we get that play. You can't have this one way where it is all on Quinn to elevate the team. The team has to elevate him too. Your QB isn't going to be perfect. Quinn is a good college QB, not a great one. And he is never going to be a great one. We have to deal with that. But a good QB can still win at this level if the other people around him make plays. We didn't do that enough yesterday AS A TEAM.
  8. @BurntEyes Here are some examples of good play from the first half (I'm displaying these as links because Youtube bitches about logging in when playing these embedded): throw in tight window to slant on third down - https://youtu.be/Uc52IPbPpXo?si=acux2Ckl5dJyxREt&t=259 Good deep ball on 3rd down https://youtu.be/Uc52IPbPpXo?si=pclun31DLWtETEyq&t=522 Good layered throw over LB https://youtu.be/Uc52IPbPpXo?si=pclun31DLWtETEyq&t=558 Good throw on 1st and 25 that should have been caught by Golden for a TD https://youtu.be/Uc52IPbPpXo?si=H2fKmRxKpolmpGyu&t=619 Good improvisation and response to blitz after being forced out of the pocket to pick up 3rd and 14. https://youtu.be/Uc52IPbPpXo?si=H2fKmRxKpolmpGyu&t=932 Good response and movement to immediate pressure to get ball out to back for nice gain https://youtu.be/Uc52IPbPpXo?si=pQqStwTSFABVCiWI&t=967 Good hard throw throw on quick slant off PA https://youtu.be/Uc52IPbPpXo?si=H2fKmRxKpolmpGyu&t=1530 Good throw on deep out off of PA against delayed rush, dropped by Wingo https://youtu.be/Uc52IPbPpXo?si=H2fKmRxKpolmpGyu&t=1565 PA with blitz in Quinn's face, he throws in a tight window to Bolden who does an amazing job at holding off after a big hit https://youtu.be/Uc52IPbPpXo?si=H2fKmRxKpolmpGyu&t=1589 Point here is that Quinn did many of the things that you said he didn't. Our offense bogged down because of missed plays and penalties. It can't be all on Quinn. Someone else has to step up to: Golden needs to catch that TD, Wingo needs to catch the ball in general, the line needs to block better (particularly run blocking), we have to stop committing stupid holds that don't even affect the play, we have to grab fumbles when they happen, we have to block on an INT when it'll score a TD, we have to make FGs.
  9. I'm struggling to understand your thinking here. Do you think Quinn should be able to rush the same as generational NFL running back? Are you saying our lack of rushing success is because of Quinn?
  10. We were missing different pieces each year. Last year we didn't have a TE that could block. This year we don't have a ton of chemistry between our receivers and QB. Adding a J whitt safety blanket with sure hands would be really nice for those tight throws in the redzone. Just a theory.
  11. It'll be interesting to find out if the redzone issues are Quinn, Sark, or (as I suspect) a bit of both. I still think this team with just j whitt from last year would actually kill it in the redzone.
  12. Do you think coming out running to start the game would have worked any differently? If not, why are we discussing it? Passing was the right call. We just needed to not commit penalties, not turn it over, and to catch the ball. We didn't do that. Arch in the redzone would also have been a good idea as I do think that would have opened up more opportunities in a compact field.
  13. We averaged 1.1 yards per rush on 28 carries. Our backs averaged 2.7 and 1.0 yards per carry. How am I cherry picking? I know you want the story to be that we should have just tried running more. It would have been foolish to try that with how Georgia was playing us.
  14. Did you prefer the below? The run game simply wasn't working. Georgia was playing it aggressively. We made them pay between the 20s in the first half, but couldn't execute in the redzone. 1st & 10 at TEX 25 (10:08 - 3rd) Quinn Ewers pass complete to Matthew Golden for 13 yds to the TEX 38 for a 1ST down 1st & 10 at TEX 38 (9:53 - 3rd) Quintrevion Wisner run for a loss of 3 yards to the TEX 35 2nd & 13 at TEX 35 (9:28 - 3rd) Quintrevion Wisner run for a loss of 2 yards to the TEX 33 3rd & 15 at TEX 33 (9:01 - 3rd) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Matthew Golden -------- 1st & 10 at TEX 13 (9:20 - 1st) Quintrevion Wisner run for a loss of 3 yards to the TEX 10 2nd & 13 at TEX 10 (8:48 - 1st) Jaydon Blue run for a loss of 1 yard to the TEX 9 3rd & 14 at TEX 9 (8:04 - 1st) Quinn Ewers pass complete to Matthew Golden for 50 yds to the UGA 41 for a 1ST down 1st & 10 at UGA 41 (7:41 - 1st) Quintrevion Wisner run for a loss of 2 yards to the UGA 43 2nd & 12 at UGA 43 (7:03 - 1st) Quinn Ewers pass complete to Isaiah Bond for 22 yds to the UGA 21 for a 1ST down --------- 1st & 10 at TEX 32 (1:46 - 2nd) Quinn Ewers pass complete to Gunnar Helm for 11 yds to the TEX 43 for a 1ST down 1st & 10 at TEX 43 (1:12 - 2nd) Quintrevion Wisner run for a loss of 2 yards to the TEX 41 2nd & 12 at TEX 41 (0:58 - 2nd) Ewers, Quinn rush for 5 yards to the TEX46, PENALTY TEX holding (Williams, Cameron) 10 yards to the TEX31, NO PLAY. 2nd & 22 at TEX 31 (0:51 - 2nd) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Gunnar Helm 3rd & 22 at TEX 31 (0:45 - 2nd) Quintrevion Wisner run for 4 yds to the TEX 35
  15. If you thought the problem was us not calling more run plays for a loss, you are mistaken. Maybe different run calls would work (we had some success out of the pistol in the first half). But Georgia shut down our bread and butter outside zone and the few times we tried something different in the second half didn't work well either. We simply don't deal well with Georgia's speed freaks. Playing Arch probably would have unlocked more of the run game. I think he would have been better option in the redzone for that reason.
  16. The play action worked because of how aggressive Georgia was defending the run game. Unfortunately, it also backfired when we could not make or hold our blocks due to the run action (and all the pulling). Some of our best stuff was long passes in either max protect or out of play action. The game plan wasn't entirely crazy. But I think Sark sometimes goes too heavy on the eye candy in those play fakes. I think we would be better served with a lot more quickly developing play fakes rather than the long drawn out ones. You need both, but we were overly reliant on the latter.
  17. Some people in this thread would be miserable if that happened.
  18. Yes. The second half was bad. No idea what Sark was thinking. We went away from everything that worked and doubled down on things that didn't.
  19. How have I not put anything on Quinn? He has limits. I'm not expecting him to be a QB that he isn't. I wish he could be. I wish we could run block Georgia. I wish our receivers could make contested catches. You're just a blind hater. That game was still winnable with a single kick, or a single block, or single catch. That's what it came down to. Everyone needs to play better. Everyone needs to step up and make the plays that are there, not just Quinn. Here, I'll go through a put together the a highlight reel from yesterday where Quinn 1) beat the blitz, 2) evaded the rush and made plays, and 3) threw deep. Will you then admit I'm not fabricating? Or will you just continue being an ass?
  20. Again, you're putting everything on Quinn. He isn't a game changer. But he was good enough for us to win. Other parts of the team have to step up too. It's so weird to bash the best part of our offense yesterday. I'm sorry he isn't what you want. But your list, a least for yesterday, is largely bullshit. He did evade sacks and make plays. He did throw deep. He did burn the blitz. We couldn't execute in the redzone because our offense simply isn't built for it, at least against Georgia. That's just the truth. It ain't all Quinn my man. Get over it.
  21. His one hard throw was dropped.
  22. The offense isn't one man. Asking our oline to run block is also reasonable. But they can't do it against speed like Georgia.
  23. I agree. We need our other players in offense to be that guy. That's my point.
  24. Given QBs in the NFL, his ceiling his career starter as a game manager. But his most likely trajectory is long term backup. But it isn't physical talent that holds him back. It is all mentality.
  25. The ball shouldn't have been thrown. But Bond had poor effort to catch or breakup the int.
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