Jump to content

Derka

Full Members
  • Posts

    10498
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    4

Everything posted by Derka

  1. it’s the truth. no amount of love or “check ins” will matter if/when a person truly becomes suicidal. if you don’t understand this then you don’t understand mental illness. you can’t stock up on love and check ins and then access it when that suicide demon comes calling. it doesn’t work that way.
  2. this is exactly what i’m talking about. i have explicitly said the exact opposite of this, repeatedly, and yet you keep making this same argument over and over and over, as if if that’s not the case. holy fuck man. stop it.
  3. how do you figure that pointing out your idiotic ideas somehow equals “self flagellation”? do you know what any words mean? wait, why am i asking that of the guy who posits that mentally ill people who kill themselves should just wait for their feelings to pass and then move on with life?
  4. the mere idea that checking in with your mentally ill loved ones is enough to stop someone from committing suicide is a false one. it’s simply not real. you can’t be by their side 24/7, and if that suicide demon comes calling, no amount of previous love, or “check ins” is going to matter. those are the facts. nobody said you shouldn’t still check in. nobody.
  5. i’d love to see the stats on lives saved by “check in on your friends y’all” tweets. it’s literally just this: for suicide. nobody has ever decided to pass up on killing themselves because somebody else tweeted “check in on your friends y’all.”
  6. where do you come up with this? you are living in a fairytale land where i’m “responding negatively” to you and disagreeing with you when ive literally pos repped your post and said to you, “i agree with everything you’re saying.” i have explicitly and repeatedly encouraged checking in with loved ones. you are just making up arguments out of thin air, and it’s a fucking beating.
  7. are you serious. this is what you’re defending as “an innocent, well intentioned comment”? a comment which you followed up with incessant shit talking and insults, and you think it’s *other* people who are being whiny? “oh poor me, i posted that mentally ill people should simply think it over and wait for the sads to pass before killing themselves and now people disagree with me, whaaaaa.” what a joke.
  8. i’m very sorry to hear that, but you illustrate the point very well. if that demon has a hold on you then there isn’t a lot that friends and family can do if/when it gets to that point.
  9. now who’s in here just wanting to argue? first of all, as far as the scope of this conversation goes, yes, it 100% is limited to people imminently about to kill themselves. i’m the one who started this conversation using those specific parameters. it’s literally the subject of the discussion. second, i cannot possibly make my main point any more clear: “checking in” is not an effective form of suicide prevention. i’d wager that the overwhelming majority of mentally ill people who’ve killed themselves in this country had people who checked in, if not full on vibrant social lives. they still killed themselves. it’s a lifelong demon of an illness that deserves so much more legitimate attention, discussion, and care than it gets, indescribably so. tweeting “check in with your people y’all” every time someone kills themselves does nothing. finally, the very first thing that i said to you was, “nobody is telling you to stop checking in on your kids”, and yet here you are still arguing that point as if i’m in here arguing otherwise. you made your ad hominem point a long time ago. nobody is arguing with it.
  10. you also said that i “literally know jack” about mental illness, which is the funniest thing i’ve read here in a long time.
  11. i made it pretty clear that i was talking about a person who is on the verge of suicide, not just any random mentally ill person going about their day. i then followed up in ensuing posts with multiple paragraphs further specifying my point. instead of quoting any of it or citing anything specific, you’re in here making vague allusions, posting with anger, and posting in bad faith. ironic that someone said it was me who was just looking for an argument. ^^^
  12. lol ok. here’s what you sound like: ”people with diabetes should decide to make their pancreas properly produce and regulate insulin. not sure why they don’t just think of that.” im not sure i want to find out what “your lane” is.
  13. yes, it pains me to know that we have people like you and your “opinion” that mental illness is a temporary problem, with intimations that the deceased suffered from poor decision making more than anything.
  14. i agree with this, and the rest of your post. i just feel like (beer with me here) this situation is kind of like recycling- i never litter, i recycle everything i can, and i’ll always do my part, but i also know that me doing this will only go so far, and it bothers and upsets me that the impetus has been left on us, the public, to recycle “so that we can save our planet.” it’s like, “hey you wanna save the planet? regulate the shit out of chevron, exxon, shell, etc. don’t tell me to put my little plastic bottle into the green bin like that’s the answer.” of course it’s great to be a loving and involved parent, and lord knows we desperately need a lot more of those. with that said, let’s move on from the idea that “reaching out” to mentally ill people is what’s needed to prevent suicides, and let’s start taking this issue even remotely seriously for the first time ever here in America.
  15. well that would be you inferring something that isn’t there. nobody told you to stop trying. what i am saying is that these ubiquitous, “reach out to your loved ones!” posts that we see every time someone kills themselves might be well intended, but it’s not advice that is ever going to stop someone from committing suicide. again, the point is this: millions of mentally ill people who had great support systems and lots of loved ones have still killed themselves, and it’s not because they didn’t have enough people “reaching out”, it’s because of the dire lack of real, practical, effective mental health care in this country. even rich people with access to all of the best health care commit suicide every day. you can reach out all you want, but until we, as a nation, take mental healthcare seriously, this will continue to happen all over the country every single day, and that shouldn’t be the case. we absolutely could and should do better. it’s criminal that the richest country in the world is the only with a mental health problem this severe.
  16. yes, 0.0%. a person on the verge of suicide isn’t waiting for a phone call from a loved one to stop them from doing it. or how about this specific case right here? you don’t think his friends and family who knew of his struggles ever reached out to him to check on him? of course they did. did it matter? is he alive? or did he kill himself because he’s mentally ill?
  17. not when it’s used in the context of stopping someone from killing themselves.
  18. so many people still have zero understanding of mental illness. after stuff like this happens people love to post stuff like, “check in on your loved ones” and “reach out to someone if you need help”, but neither of those things are realistic options. you reaching out to a mentally ill person will affect whether or not they harm themselves 0.0%. and from the other side, nobody who is sick enough to want to kill themselves is going to reach out to anyone for help, because when you’re in that state of mind, talking to someone else sounds about as appealing as cutting off your own dick. it’s never going to happen. there’s nothing that anyone can do to stop someone from killing themselves barring you actually being physically present and taking the gun from them, or talking them off the bridge. until the powers that be in this country actually give any fucks about helping out the mentally ill, this is what we’ll be left with: extremely vulnerable sick people from all walks of life, living among the absolutely clueless masses. there is nothing out there in the way of real help and understanding for mentally ill people, and that’s the real tragedy- marshawn kneelands will continue to live on the very edge of life and death, sanity and insanity, and very few people will actually know or care.
  19. jesus christ. it pains me to know that fully grown adults can think like this.
×
×
  • Create New...