Both of these. The incel types I keep seeing are such a fucking beating. No woman would want to spend 10 minutes with them let alone date/marry.
Very good point about them being online their entire lives.
Also a good point about going to where women actually are. Stop listening to Joe Rogan or something and go to a yoga class or run group. (Run groups are also predominantly women.) If I wasn't married, I could throw so much leg at the yoga studio I go to. They all know my wife so they don't openly hit on me. The wife and I even joke about it.
There is a VERY good podcast out there right now about this. "Plain English with Derek Thompson" is part of the Ringer network. He dropped one last week titled "The Gender War Within Gen Z" and looks at why and how young men are becoming more conservative while young women are becoming more liberal. He looks at the US, Western Europe, and South Korea. I've listened to this twice and it's VERY good. In short, young men feel they have fewer and fewer sexual/dating options. (They actually don't but that's the point.)