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  1. It decides whether the state has disproved beyond a reasonable doubt that the use of force was justified.
  2. It is murder if you do it intentionally or knowingly. But it may be justified under Ch 9 of the Penal Code. Not likely but possible. Use of force, or deadly force, does not require you to be right, just reasonable.
  3. Sounds to me like all these French benefits should be taxable as income to LaPierre, et al PS I'd like to give Miss Megan some ball ammo if you know what I'm sayin
  4. Identifying a species from an egg is diificult at best. You could use a bright light to try to look thru the egg but those eggs don’t look viable.
  5. Yeah, the incident causing him to lose his license was just the tip of the iceberg. They really poked the bear when they gave Ari Axelrod’s wife that ticket. He is relentless.
  6. Called my shot The fishing was outstanding on Monday. We waded the bay and got a nice limit and kept fishing. The bite was strong during the midday major (moon underfoot) Then it got better. We hit the same bay spot and picked up a few and then went to the surf and filled the cooler with a bunch of fat trout 22-24. Here are pics of the fires on Big Island, apparently started by kids shooting tracer rounds. and a pic of the surf @Mac8111 will update with the Wednesday fishing report. He has the coordinates.
  7. Report: there are heavily armed boogaloo (look it up) members along with lots of protesters. It’s getting rough down there. LE is making a lot of arrests.
  8. Abbreviation for highway patrol aka troopers.
  9. I have a friend who is THP. He’s on the front line right now. They brought in 800 troopers.
  10. Here is the law. I have boldfaced what I believe will be the contested issues that will be submitted in the jury charge. I've struck thru the things that I believe will not be relevant NOTE: first of all, use of force or deadly force for self defense is a "defense" under the TPC Ch 9, therefore this law applies: Sec. 2.03. DEFENSE. (a) A defense to prosecution for an offense in this code is so labeled by the phrase: "It is a defense to prosecution . . . ." (b) The prosecuting attorney is not required to negate the existence of a defense in the accusation charging commission of the offense. (c) The issue of the existence of a defense is not submitted to the jury unless evidence is admitted supporting the defense. (d) If the issue of the existence of a defense is submitted to the jury, the court shall charge that a reasonable doubt on the issue requires that the defendant be acquitted. NOTE: So the state has to disprove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defense does not apply. This is a huge hurdle for the state, who has to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt, and then disprove the defense beyond a reasonable doubt. NOTE: if there was a passenger in the car, he will also likely get a jury charge on deadly force to protect a third party Sec. 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force. NOTE: the above clause of section (a) is the general rule, and within it is a presumption that is submitted in the jury charge if there is some evidence of it. If the state fails to eliminate reasonable doubt as to one of the elements (1-3) below the jury must follow the presumption, and presume the actor’s belief that the force used was immediately necessary was reasonable. This is huge in a self defense case. If the jury has reasonable doubt whether these circumstances existed, it is devastating for the state’s case. (section (a), cont’d) The actor's belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor: (1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used: (A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or (B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or (C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery; (2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and (3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used. NOTE: the use of force may not be justified under certain circumstances in this case and there will be a jury charge on this issue. If the state can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that one of these circumstances existed, then it is a huge win for the state. (b) The use of force against another is not justified: (1) in response to verbal provocation alone; (2) to resist an arrest or search that the actor knows is being made by a peace officer, or by a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction, even though the arrest or search is unlawful, unless the resistance is justified under Subsection (c); (3) if the actor consented to the exact force used or attempted by the other; (4) if the actor provoked the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force, unless: (A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and (B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful force against the actor; or (5) if the actor sought an explanation from or discussion with the other person concerning the actor's differences with the other person while the actor was: (A) carrying a weapon in violation of Section 46.02; or (B) possessing or transporting a weapon in violation of Section 46.05. (d) The use of deadly force is not justified under this subchapter except as provided in Sections 9.32, 9.33, and 9.34. NOTE: The above is the rule for use of force for self defense, not the use of deadly force for self defense which is in 9.32, so we have to look at 9.32 as well due to 9.31(d) and 9.32(a)(1). Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. NOTE: section (a) is the general rule on deadly force. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another: (1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: (A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or (B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery. NOTE: the same “presumed reasonable if…” elements that we looked at in 9.31 above also apply in 9.32 below. (b) The actor's belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor: (1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used: (A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; (B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or (C) was committing or attempting to commit an offense described by Subsection (a)(2)(B); (2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and (3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used. NOTE: similarly, section (c) and (d) in 9.32 is the same as 9.31(e) and (f) and creates an instruction for the jury, where applicable (c) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using deadly force as described by this section. (d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(2), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (c) reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat. NOTE: if the state fails to disprove this beyond a reasonable doubt, the jury gets an instruction that they shall not consider whether the actor failed to retreat in determining whether the actor reasonably believed that deadly force was immediately necessary under the circumstances.
  11. They’re good. They have done high profile cases. Like Waco bikers. maybe they are not the best at proofreading press releases though.... Totally agree
  12. I think I can still make it but you better hold on tight
  13. The weather's getting right fellas. It's time to burn up some vacation days on Monday and Tuesday and hit the surf.
  14. Nice. I love the Eotech with flip to side magnifier set up. I have the trifecta. My Garand is the CMP Special, completely restored, she's a beauty
  15. 1500 pound car? Yes. I deleted my Facebook because I was involved in a matter that became public and I didn't want weirdos bothering me. I think you need more to prove there was a smoking gun of civil liability on social media to get far with jury on a spoliation charge. Criminally, no, I don't. It has to be evidence in the case. A record, document or thing. Not an opinion posted on social media. Like I said, a video of the crime is one thing. An espoused hatred for BLM, or a profound affection for the Orange Man is another matter. Yes, if it has nothing to do with the crime, or it was done before there was an investigation of which D was aware. So deleting videos of you with your 12 year old girlfriend, knowing the law is hot on your trail, is tampering with evidence.
  16. That’s a stretch. It has to be evidence of the crime. Deleting your social media to prevent everyone from knowing to what extent you have used the First Amendment to reveal how much of an asshole you are won’t count. Deleting your Facebook live video of committing a murder might be a different story.
  17. There are multiple instances of “that’s not the law” in this post. Try quoting the Penal Code if you want to talk about the law, or better yet, leave the law to the lawdawgs Yeah, me too. All of that BT see the disorderly conduct statute as it related to firearms, it’ll help you wrap your mind around the legal issues Tha’s utter bullshit number one and number two you couldn’t cite relevant precedent if your life depended on it Counselor, the time you argue with burnteyes about the law is time you will never get back Stay in your lane, you’re a legal lightweight compared to Dahobbs Once again see DOC-firearm for clarity. There is no inherent conflict with carrying long gun legally and someone else’s reasonable belief that force or deadly force is immediately necessary. Once you enter into “a manner calculated to alarm” which I would consider “low ready” to be among those circumstances, you enter the realm of circumstances where another might feel self defense or defense of another is justified, and you may get your ticket punched like Garrett did The carrying of handguns is government by another chapter of the Penal Code and you must have it holstered unless the use of force is justified, or you are on your own premises, and there are other exceptions like range, hunting, etc. But you cannot walk around in public with an unholstered handgun, with or without an LTC.
  18. It is the STATE'S burden to DISPROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt, the justification of self defense or defense of another. Sec. 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force. The actor's belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor: (1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used: (A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; (B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or (C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery; (2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and (3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used. Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another: (1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: (A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or (B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery. (b) The actor's belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor: (1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used: (A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; (B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or (C) was committing or attempting to commit an offense described by Subsection (a)(2)(B); (2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and (3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used. (c) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using deadly force as described by this section. (d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(2), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (c) reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat. ======= FYI for the provocation issue, see TPC 9.31(b) Sec. 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (b) The use of force against another is not justified: (1) in response to verbal provocation alone; (2) to resist an arrest or search that the actor knows is being made by a peace officer, or by a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction, even though the arrest or search is unlawful, unless the resistance is justified under Subsection (c); (3) if the actor consented to the exact force used or attempted by the other; (4) if the actor provoked the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force, unless: (A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and (B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful force against the actor; or (5) if the actor sought an explanation from or discussion with the other person concerning the actor's differences with the other person while the actor was: (A) carrying a weapon in violation of Section 46.02; or (B) possessing or transporting a weapon in violation of Section 46.05. Provoking the difficulty means….. “(1)....defendant did some act or used some words which provoked the attack on him, (2) that such act or words were reasonably calculated to provoke the attack, and (3) that the act was done or the words were used for the purpose and with the intent that the defendant would have a pretext for inflicting harm upon the other .” Smith v State, 965 S.W.2d 509, 513 (Tex.Crim.App. 1998)
  19. He was driving a Prius. That's all you needed to know. Also, only the elite law enforcement officers from the Texas Department of Public Safety are allowed to shoot out tires.
  20. In all seriousness I doubt this is justified under defense of self, defense of another or force authorized to make an arrest. See TPC 9.51
  21. Horrible takes. This is clearly not the law in Texas.
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