2020 DL Van Fillinger

1 minute ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

So everyone is joining me on the keep Giles train right?

hey dickweed, Giles was never going anywhere.  we don’t just get rid of elite coaches who can also recruit at championship levels. 

ooohhh... I like getting fillinger'd  🤘

This dude’s name sounds like he’s a porn star who picks up strangers in his van.

Well Alright Alright Alright!

Jean-Claude Van Fillinger

Welcome aboard Van. #LDSToAustin

Today was a good day. Pissed I lugged around this AK

2 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

“Apologize”

🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽

1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

Sometime in 2022:

Fowler:  Herbie, Van Fillinger really got into great shape in the off-season.  You visited with him at practice this week.  What did he say was the secret behind his breakthrough in conditioning?

Herbstreit: Yeah, Chris, I asked him how he got so jacked, and his answer surprised me.  He said it was from laying pipe all summer.  

Fowler:  Interesting.  You don’t see a lot of guys working construction in the off-season, especially not a Radio, Television & Film major like Fillinger.

Herbstreit:  That’s what I thought, too, Chris, but it doesn’t stop there.  He told me he’s been a pizza delivery boy, a cable guy, and get this, even a prison guard.  He told me it doesn’t matter what it is, if someone has an opening, then he’s willing to fill it.

Fowler:  Wow.  Quite the Renaissance Man.  

Holy shit, we got Johnny Sins?

Holy crap.  Had no idea this was coming.  OG says "hold my beer."  I don't remember hearing much about this guy other than we wanted him (like when he might verbal, sho was leading, etc). Sounds like an elite athlete.  

Who is next Princely?

Okay.  Cool.  Hook em'.

8 minutes ago, Lhorn said:

 

Who is next Princely?

Chances are high that VF just took the only spot at the position. 

This was unexpected until today.  DL recruiting is progressing nicely.  I see us taking 4 this cycle.  

The staff makes the call to take Van Fillinger over Princely Umanmielen. Probably for the best as it is easy to confuse Prince and Princely. Is there room left for Jalen Logan-Redding?

Van Fillinger is a fucking stud.  Good get.   Has measurables and want to.  Culture fit like Broughton.  They are already tweeting each other about getting to work.  If Princely thinks he is Myles Garrett then I must be Dash Riprock.  

Just now, lemonandaturd said:

If Princely thinks he is Myles Garrett then I must be Dash Riprock.  

 

Great get for the DL. Another athletic workhorse. Welcome to the 40 Acres Van! Hook'em.

Okay, gotta ask. I click on this thread daily because I enjoy it. But I cant recall Van Fillinger coming up. Per 247C he is #373 and a 3 star looking at regional schools mainly like Utah, byu, colorado, BSU, etc. A few roll your eyes offers from michigan and tosu.

Can somebody tell me why this guy is a great get? I'm in no way discounting him, he may be great but I am obviously missing something. A team full of #373's in the country equals kansas state.

2 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Okay, gotta ask. I click on this thread daily because I enjoy it. But I cant recall Van Fillinger coming up. Per 247C he is #373 and a 3 star looking at regional schools mainly like Utah, byu, colorado, BSU, etc. A few roll your eyes offers from michigan and tosu.

Can somebody tell me why this guy is a great get? I'm in no way discounting him, he may be great but I am obviously missing something. A team full of #373's in the country equals kansas state.

At his size, with his frame, a 4.25 shuttle time is ridiculous. For comparison, average times for linebackers at the NFL combine are in the 4.35 range. Linemen are considered good at 4.4; for DT's, 4.5 is average.

Add to that the fact that his big weakness is technique, which can be taught, and you've got a high floor guy, with an undetermined ceiling. That kind of a get is essential.

12 minutes ago, markstanco said:

A team full of #373's in the country equals kansas state.

I'm not going to pretend this guy is a superstud, but Kansas State would kill for a team full of #373s.

Van Fillinger's current rating is 0.8884, which is in line with the average rating of a South Carolina, Oregon, Nebraska-level recruit based on 2019 ratings.

If he ends up being our third-best DL take, the coaching staff did their job.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Machinator

11 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Okay, gotta ask. I click on this thread daily because I enjoy it. But I cant recall Van Fillinger coming up. Per 247C he is #373 and a 3 star looking at regional schools mainly like Utah, byu, colorado, BSU, etc. A few roll your eyes offers from michigan and tosu.

Can somebody tell me why this guy is a great get? I'm in no way discounting him, he may be great but I am obviously missing something. A team full of #373's in the country equals kansas state.

He’s got a great offer list and close to freakish verified combine stats.  He’s rated 4 stars by two of the services and will likely end up a 4 star.  This staff isn’t perfect but it can evaluate with anyone.  

If you are from Texas and live in Manor and think playing against Elgin and Taylor makes you a 5 star Myles Garrett clone, then party on Princely.  But if you are a big bad 3 star kid from Draper, Utah with better measurables and  came to UT twice on his own dime, then the choice is clear.  

4 minutes ago, Machinator said:

I'm not going to pretend this guy is a superstud, but Kansas State would kill for a team full of #373s.

Van Fillinger's current rating is 0.8884, which is in line with the average rating of a South Carolina, Oregon, Nebraska-level recruit based on 2019 ratings.

If he ends up being our third-best DL take, the coaching staff did their job.

He'll be 3rd best at worst. Let that sink in for a second.

At the end of the Longhorn Blitz podcast that went up today, Howe and Roach discuss Fillinger. He already had a solid offer list when he reached out to UT and expressed interest. At first staff didn't think he was serious but they invited him down and the rest is history/what's been posted above. 

20 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Okay, gotta ask. I click on this thread daily because I enjoy it. But I cant recall Van Fillinger coming up. Per 247C he is #373 and a 3 star looking at regional schools mainly like Utah, byu, colorado, BSU, etc. A few roll your eyes offers from michigan and tosu.

Can somebody tell me why this guy is a great get? I'm in no way discounting him, he may be great but I am obviously missing something. A team full of #373's in the country equals kansas state.

Most of the reason he barely came up is that people thought we had no shot. A Poly OOS guy with that offer list (regardless of how many are commitable) and Giles as his position coach isn't exactly an inspiring conversation for Texas most of the time.

8 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Most of the reason he barely came up is that people thought we had no shot. A Poly OOS guy with that offer list (regardless of how many are commitable) and Giles as his position coach isn't exactly an inspiring conversation for Texas most of the time.

We were all selling Giles short. It turns out that he was the one who taught Kyra Sedgwick how to be a closer.

2 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

Sometime in 2022:

Fowler:  Herbie, Van Fillinger really got into great shape in the off-season.  You visited with him at practice this week.  What did he say was the secret behind his breakthrough in conditioning?

Herbstreit: Yeah, Chris, I asked him how he got so jacked, and his answer surprised me.  He said it was from laying pipe all summer.  

Fowler:  Interesting.  You don’t see a lot of guys working construction in the off-season, especially not a Radio, Television & Film major like Fillinger.

Herbstreit:  That’s what I thought, too, Chris, but it doesn’t stop there.  He told me he’s been a pizza delivery boy, a cable guy, and get this, even a prison guard.  He told me it doesn’t matter what it is, if someone has an opening, then he’s willing to fill it.

Fowler:  Wow.  Quite the Renaissance Man.  

I have no idea why I laughed at this, but I did.

39 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Okay, gotta ask. I click on this thread daily because I enjoy it. But I cant recall Van Fillinger coming up. Per 247C he is #373 and a 3 star looking at regional schools mainly like Utah, byu, colorado, BSU, etc. A few roll your eyes offers from michigan and tosu. Can somebody tell me why this guy is a great get? 

At his size, with his frame, a 4.25 shuttle time is ridiculous. For comparison, average times for linebackers at the NFL combine are in the 4.35 range. Linemen are considered good at 4.4; for DT's, 4.5 is average.

Then why is he #373 and not sitting in front of nick sabens desk. That's my point. Like I said he may be a badass, but none of the blue bloods seem to care nor do the agencies.

1 minute ago, markstanco said:

 

 

Then why is he #373 and not sitting in front of nick sabens desk. That's my point. Like I said he may be a badass, but none of the blue bloods seem to care nor do the agencies.

 

Because his tape is decent, not elite. He's a bit stiff in the hips and while his frame is good, he won't carry as much healthy weight like Collins will.

#373 is still fringe four-star territory.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Machinator

2 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Damn!

Because his tape is decent, not elite. He's a bit stiff in the hips and while his frame is good, he won't carry as much healthy weight like Collins will.
#373 is still fringe four-star territory.

You are missing my point. Hit CTRL+ALT+DEL and restart.

Just now, markstanco said:

2 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Because his tape is decent, not elite. He's a bit stiff in the hips and while his frame is good, he won't carry as much healthy weight like Collins will.
#373 is still fringe four-star territory.

You are missing my point. Hit CTRL+ALT+DEL and restart.

I understand your point. He's a good get, not great. Most people understand that, but being human (unlike me), they are going to be prone to exuberance and slight hyperbole when we add a good prospect at an important position. Plus,  the staff has shown that they can maximize lower-rated players and turn them into quality contributors, even against the Georgias and OUs of the world.

Does that answer your question, Mr. Enlightened Contrarian?

I feel like the Surly response to this commit is pretty measured.  We aren’t going full Liucci/Texags

5 minutes ago, markstanco said:

7 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Because his tape is decent, not elite. He's a bit stiff in the hips and while his frame is good, he won't carry as much healthy weight like Collins will.
#373 is still fringe four-star territory.

You are missing my point. Hit CTRL+ALT+DEL and restart.

Because we have a recruiting board managed by the coach Tom Herman who has concluded that it is best to add Van Fillinger now than it is to wait for Princely U.  WTF is so hard to understand?

Edited July 19, 2019 by lemonandaturd

30 minutes ago, UDontKnow said:

He'll be 3rd best at worst. Let that sink in for a second.

ISWYDT

3 minutes ago, markstanco said:

5 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Because his tape is decent, not elite. He's a bit stiff in the hips and while his frame is good, he won't carry as much healthy weight like Collins will.
#373 is still fringe four-star territory.

You are missing my point. Hit CTRL+ALT+DEL and restart.

Your point is pretty stupid. We're not talking about DL1, we're talking about DL3. And take a look at 'bama's recruiting through the years -- there's plenty of 3 stars in their #1 classes, they were just well scouted, that's all. Same thing here.

10 minutes ago, markstanco said:

 

 

Then why is he #373 and not sitting in front of nick sabens desk. That's my point. Like I said he may be a badass, but none of the blue bloods seem to care nor do the agencies.

 

What are you talking about? 247 shows offers from 5/8 of the blue bloods (USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska, and Texas). He also has offers from LSU, UCLA, and Washington. I get he’s a 3 star but plenty of quality schools offered him.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Baconboy

I'm sure he'll get a bump to justify those offers, too. He's committed to us, so obviously he'll be bumped to a 5* come December.

That dude is better than Princely.  He has better get off and a better frame.  Princely may watch out or he is going to be one of Price's 325 DL cubes.    

3 minutes ago, Baconboy said:

What are you talking about? 247 shows offers from 5/8 of the blue bloods (USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska, and Texas). He also has an offer from LSU. I get he’s a 3 star but plenty of quality schools offered him.

This!!! Why was JJ Watt overlooked? It happens. At least this kid is being offered by blue bloods.

Yes, he’s a little stiff, but he has a hell of a motor. His first step is pretty tremendous, truthfully. He gets no credit for that. He’s in the backfield many times before the offensive lineman knows what happened. He looks powerful on tape, and his combine numbers support that. He also had a hell of a rip move in at least one of the clips that jumped out at me. His technique isn’t as bad as some say. In fact, it’s probably better than most kids at his stage of development. I think he’s a great pickup and better than other four-star kids out there on the camp circuit. 

If he played in a state that produced more top tier athletes, I’m think he might have a higher rating. I think he’s underrated, and I’m betting his ratings will improve. 

1 hour ago, UDontKnow said:

The staff makes the call to take Van Fillinger over Princely Umanmielen. Probably for the best as it is easy to confuse Prince and Princely. Is there room left for Jalen Logan-Redding?

Princely has had half a year to commit being a local kid.  He fooled around and got the idea he's a 4-3 DE and the staff got tired of waiting and went and got a kid who by the looks has more upside.

Just now, Elmer_Fudd said:

Princely has had half a year to commit being a local kid.  He fooled around and got the idea he's a 4-3 DE and the staff got tired of waiting and went and got a kid who by the looks has more upside.

So what about JL-R? IIRC, he's visited thrice.

2 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Princely has had half a year to commit being a local kid.  He fooled around and got the idea he's a 4-3 DE and the staff got tired of waiting and went and got a kid who by the looks has more upside.

Not only that, all the scouting stories talk about how well he'll (Fillinger) fit as a 4i; he's cool with that. What more could we be asking for?

Edited July 19, 2019 by Walden Ponderer
Clarity, always clarity.

1 hour ago, markstanco said:

Okay, gotta ask. I click on this thread daily because I enjoy it. But I cant recall Van Fillinger coming up. Per 247C he is #373 and a 3 star looking at regional schools mainly like Utah, byu, colorado, BSU, etc. A few roll your eyes offers from michigan and tosu.

Can somebody tell me why this guy is a great get? I'm in no way discounting him, he may be great but I am obviously missing something. A team full of #373's in the country equals kansas state.

A. You are confused. This is Fillinger’s commitment thread that has only existed a few hours. You’ve been clicking it daily?

B. Related to A, but if you have somehow been clicking this thread daily, it would explain why you don’t recall his name coming up.

C. You meant that you click on the 2020 Recruiting thread daily. Fine.

D. His name has been mentioned on that thread fairly often.

E. Lurk more, post less on the recruiting threads since you clearly have no idea why this was a good take.

Edited July 19, 2019 by justhookit

40 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Then why is he #373 and not sitting in front of nick sabens desk. That's my point. Like I said he may be a badass, but none of the blue bloods seem to care nor do the agencies.

 

(Correction:  Saban's desk..)

 

37 NFL Pro Bowl Players Were 3-Star Recruits (Or Worse)

(College football recruiting tools are great, but how accurate are they in determining a player's NFL ?)

The best 250-300 players in the nation earn a 4-star designation, while only about 25 prospects per year are tabbed 5-star recruits. These are the blue-chippers.  So how much do these recruiting rankings really matter? It's hard to tell. They certainly matter for the prospects themselves, who live and die by these stars. It matters for college football fans as well -- always nice to hear your school landed a four or five-star guy. But as far as projecting the true potential of these athletes? It's not an exact science. A quick look at this year's 2017 NFL Pro Bowl roster is telling. 

Jake Steinberg did a little research surrounding this year's Pro Bowl roster. He found 37 of the 88 players headed to the NFL Pro Bowl were 3-star or lower recruits. Interesting stuff.  Let's take a look at some 2017 NFL Pro Bowlers, and where they were ranked coming out of high school. 

  Three-Star Recruits in the Pro Bowl  

        Aaron Rodgers  QB California  Packers    Dak Prescott  QB Mississippi State  Cowboys    Matt Ryan  QB Boston College Falcons    Le'Veon Bell  RB Michigan State  Steelers    Mike Evans WR Texas A&M Buccaneers    Brandon Scherff OL Iowa  Redskins   David DeCastro  OL Stanford  Steelers    Travis Frederick  OL Wisconsin  Cowboys   Trent Williams  OL Oklahoma  Redskins    Travis Kelce  TE Cincinnati Chiefs   Casey Hayward DB Vanderbilt  Chargers   Devin McCourty  DB Rutgers Patriots    Marcus Peters DB Washington  Chiefs   Richard Sherman  DB Stanford  Seahawks    Brian Orakpo  LB Texas  Titans    Luke Kuechly LB Boston College  Panthers   Ryan Kerrigan  LB Purdue  Redskins    Vic Beasley  LB Clemson  Falcons    Von Miller  LB Texas A&M Broncos    Marshal Yanda  OL Iowa  Ravens   Kelechi Osemele OL Iowa State  Raiders   Aaron Donald  DT Pittsburgh  Rams   Geno Atkins  DT Georgia  Bengals    Cliff Avril  DE Purdue  Seahawks    Jurrell Casey  DE USC Titans    Justin Tucker  PK Texas  Ravens  

 

Two-Star Recruits in the Pro Bowl   T.Y. Hilton  WR Florida International  Colts    Aquib Talib  CB Kansas  Broncos    Khalil Mack  LB Buffalo  Raiders    Bobby Wagner  LB Utah State  Seahawks    T.J. Lang  OL Eastern Michigan  Packers    Pat McAfee P West Virginia  Colts   

    No-Star Recruits in the Pro Bowl           Tom Brady  QB Michigan  Patriots    Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami (OH)  Steelers   Antonio Brown  WR Central Michigan  Steelers    Kyle Juszczyk FB Harvard  Ravens   Mike Tolbert  FB Coastal Carolina  Panthers    Delanie Walker TE Central Missouri  Titans    Donald Penn  OL Utah State  Raiders    Chris Harris  CB Kansas Broncos    Lorenzo Alexander  LB California  Bills    Thomas Davis  LB Georgia  Panthers    Michael Bennett  DE Texas A&M  Seahawks    David Johnson  RB Northern Iowa Cardinals    Matthew Slater RS UCLA  Patriots   

 

https://m.herosports.com/news/nfl-pro-bowl-players-3-star-college-football-recruits

 

Edited July 19, 2019 by LTtxfan