How to Buy a 5-Star Recruit: The Demond Demas Saga

35 minutes ago, Okcool said:

Well Baizer @TFB weighed in...

“Y’all. The Demond Demas stuff from SurlyHorns is a conspiracy theory. Please do not buy into it.”

5 hours ago, OnAComputer said:

Y'all are seriously doing y'all's damnedest to out conspiracy the place that has a thriving QAnon community

 

 

Man, both of these guys seem like they suck.

Edited August 22, 2019 by Spawn of Cthulhu

45 minutes ago, Okcool said:

Well Baizer @TFB weighed in...

“Y’all. The Demond Demas stuff from SurlyHorns is a conspiracy theory. Please do not buy into it.”

the whole point of this is exactly that - it's just as absurd to think UT had anything to do with Demas. That's why it's fucking hilarious.

6 hours ago, Tired of Lurking said:

Twice.

bUt HeS aRtIcUlAtE!

For an aggie from Tomball.

If you think Surly has something better to do in the offseason that come up with crazy ass non-sensical conspiracy theories, you are sorely mistaken. 

Causing a shit storm for the gomers is a new off season "turdition".

8 hours ago, Okcool said:

Well Baizer @TFB weighed in...

“Y’all. The Demond Demas stuff from SurlyHorns is a conspiracy theory. Please do not buy into it.”

What does this guy know? He probably doesn’t believe the volleyball story either. Surly refuses to let the media spike down a story and drown the truth! 

The funny thing is that, as crazy as it sounds, the surly Demas conspiracy is far more believable than the "tu is is using the UIL to screw over the aggies" nonsense.

When something involves this many pieces of factual evidence, it's pretty fucking silly to label it a conspiracy theory.  There's too many convenient coincidences for there not to be something to it.

Edited August 22, 2019 by kevwun

24 minutes ago, kevwun said:

When something involves this many pieces of factual evidence, it's pretty fucking silly to label it a conspiracy theory.  There's too many convenient coincidences for there not to be something to it.

That’s like saying the Princley/Jimbo volleyball spike didn’t happen when we literally have the actual ball that was used 

1 hour ago, kevwun said:

When something involves this many pieces of factual evidence, it's pretty fucking silly to label it a conspiracy theory.  There's too many convenient coincidences for there not to be something to it.

Well obviously there are many pieces, but what does it really all mean?

 

It could be as simple as having a kid who really wants to get out of that school and better himself. Jimbo gets on the Aggy network/what you will and tada: Tomball, with an aggy HC. He can help!

 

Then the QB's dad is all about it, 'cos his son can look good throwing to a guy like that, so hell yah, he can stay at our house. "Where you going, D? Oh, to work with that Footwork guy? Cool.... What's that? He needs some space to run his business out of? Cool, have him come by and we can talk about that! Be home by 8:30, it's Burrito Night!"

 

Wish there were more to it, and maybe there is, but I don't think this is some slam dunk thing here. 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2019 by UncleBuck

I actually like the fact that aggy thinks we can just whip out our flagship cock and get one of their recruits ruled ineligible to play by the UIL.

There doesn't have to be a grand conspiracy for there to be shenanigans. We have, it would seem, testimony under oath that multiple colleges reported FWK's shopping Demas around-- shenanigans. We have a transfer "for safety of the kid," leaving the younger siblings behind-- odd. We have incompatible stories about where he actually moved and with whom he lived-- shenanigans. Multiple people are intervening in where this teenager lives, where he goes to HS, and where he will likely go to college for reasons that trace back to his FB talent but which are being represented as anything but. Those people have business relationships among each other and with aTm. A variegated patchwork of aggy boosters and self-interest-seekers that lacks true leadership or a master plan is no more honest or morally acceptable merely because of its disorganization or incompetence.

19 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

There doesn't have to be a grand conspiracy for there to be shenanigans. We have, it would seem, testimony under oath that multiple colleges reported FWK's shopping Demas around-- shenanigans. We have a transfer "for safety of the kid," leaving the younger siblings behind-- odd. We have incompatible stories about where he actually moved and with whom he lived-- shenanigans. Multiple people are intervening in where this teenager lives, where he goes to HS, and where he will likely go to college for reasons that trace back to his FB talent but which are being represented as anything but. Those people have business relationships among each other and with aTm. A variegated patchwork of aggy boosters and self-interest-seekers that lacks true leadership or a master plan is no more honest or morally acceptable merely because of its disorganization or incompetence.

So what? I have no idea why anyone gives a shit about any of this.

7 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

So what? I have no idea why anyone gives a shit about any of this.

Yeah, who cares that schools in the state may be cheating to gain a competitive advantage?

10 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

So what? I have no idea why anyone gives a shit about any of this.

sooo.....

I have a difficult time getting too worked up about all of this. Granted, it doesn't pass the smell test but just about anything involving private trainers is going to have that element to it. I think this is just the world we live in.

2 minutes ago, texifornia said:

sooo.....

to argue with other losers about trivial bullshit. same reason you're here. 

Irish, UncleBuck and OnAComputer/Will Baizer are doing their level best to make something highly entertaining really, really dorked out with their bullshit around attempting to debunk this stuff. We don’t need a fucking splash of cold water here. There is no downside to this thread or sending the smattering of data out to various groups. You don’t fucking know better. Shut the fuck up. 

I faced this same shit when working the Lyles/Seastrunk/Oregon chicanery from Shaggy outward with the help of some folks in the CFB world. Then Yahoo picked it up and the next thing you know, wow, there was actual fucking corruption. 

This situation is no different and aggie asked for it. FWK did a deal. He coordinated it through Hamm and Karen Johnson with ATM. When Texas and others got in Demas’ ear through legitimate routes after he committed, he attempted to then decommit. Then a big round-up phone call happens and Demas gets religion. From there, he moves schools and never seriously reconsiders anyone. Go take a fucking look back at that last fall. Take a look at the plain facts pointed out here. This is how corruption works in NCAA recruiting. 

Schools get away with it usually because they’re not this stupid and because they rely on the naïveté and incredulity of the fanbases as well. A guy like Baizer showing up to tell everyone how wrong everyone else is because he occasionally talks to recruits and somehow gets paid for it only adds, unwittingly, to the obfuscation. 

Edited August 22, 2019 by closetojumping

6 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I faced this same shit when working the Lyles/Seastrunk/Oregon chicanery from Shaggy outward with the help of some folks in the CFB world. Then Yahoo picked it up and the next thing you know, wow, there was actual fucking corruption. . 

If nothing else, this is a shot across aggy's bow that we are watching. And I know for a fact that at least one national CFB writer is looking into it.

The contradictions, outright lies, and now Mrs. Dunn's over-the-top emotional appeal raise a stink about this sequence of events. There's something there, but I don't know exactly what.

Surly runs with it out of the habit of wearing something out, having fun at the expense of the Aggies, and to pursue the possible scandal. It's kind of perfect.

Ultimately, we may find that the Aggies have done something stupid and obvious like using FedEx to send money back in the 80s. It also may be a play by the Dunns to get their boy better exposure. People looking at Demas' senior tape will have to look at the QB who throws to him. It could also be a way to sequester Demas while paying him and keeping him warm for aggy.

It's definitely worth looking into. It may come out that the Dunns are just generous and Demas is a choir boy. They should want that story to come out if it's true.

30 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Irish, UncleBuck and OnAComputer/Will Baizer are doing their level best to make something highly entertaining really, really dorked out with their bullshit around attempting to debunk this stuff. We don’t need a fucking splash of cold water here. There is no downside to this thread or sending the smattering of data out to various groups. You don’t fucking know better. Shut the fuck up. 

I faced this same shit when working the Lyles/Seastrunk/Oregon chicanery from Shaggy outward with the help of some folks in the CFB world. Then Yahoo picked it up and the next thing you know, wow, there was actual fucking corruption. 

This situation is no different and aggie asked for it. FWK did a deal. He coordinated it through Hamm and Karen Johnson with ATM. When Texas and others got in Demas’ ear through legitimate routes after he committed, he attempted to then decommit. Then a big round-up phone call happens and Demas gets religion. From there, he moves schools and never seriously reconsiders anyone. Go take a fucking look back at that last fall. Take a look at the plain facts pointed out here. This is how corruption works in NCAA recruiting. 

Schools get away with it usually because they’re not this stupid and because they rely on the naïveté and incredulity of the fanbases as well. A guy like Baizer showing up to tell everyone how wrong everyone else is because he occasionally talks to recruits and somehow gets paid for it only adds, unwittingly, to the obfuscation. 

 

3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

The contradictions, outright lies, and now Mrs. Dunn's over-the-top emotional appeal raise a stink about this sequence of events. There's something there, but I don't know exactly what.

Surly runs with it out of the habit of wearing something out, having fun at the expense of the Aggies, and to pursue the possible scandal. It's kind of perfect.

Ultimately, we may find that the Aggies have done something stupid and obvious like using FedEx to send money back in the 80s. It also may be a play by the Dunns to get their boy better exposure. People looking at Demas' senior tape will have to look at the QB who throws to him. It could also be a way to sequester Demas while paying him and keeping him warm for aggy.

It's definitely worth looking into. It may come out that the Dunns are just generous and Demas is a choir boy. They should want that story to come out if it's true.

"They started it" is a very childish way to go about things but in this case, that's exactly what happened. They poked the hornet's nest with their public belly-aching about the UIL/UT connection denying their star recruit to bend the rules to where he could play his senior year of HS football. Let's be honest -- it didn't take a whole lot of work to put this puzzle together.

A reporter digging into Crazy Karen specifically seems more worthwhile.   She's way too fucking stupid to cover her tracks well.  And it's pretty damn obvious what her role is.  It doesn't remotely pass the smell test that she's just a "Jimbo fan".   She's a big fucking liability.  I can't believe Jimbo hasn't cut her off.

1 minute ago, Skipper said:

I can't believe Jimbo hasn't cut her off.

3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

A reporter digging into Crazy Karen specifically seems more worthwhile.   She's way too fucking stupid to cover her tracks well.  And it's pretty damn obvious what her role is.  It doesn't remotely pass the smell test that she's just a "Jimbo fan".   She's a big fucking liability.  I can't believe Jimbo hasn't cut her off.

It's because she has proof that not only does Jimbo like to watch another guy cuck him but he likes to get pegged by ugly 70 year old bag hags while watching a guy cuck him.

I'm not sure what to think until snopes weighs in.

Obviously the whole thing is a work, but there is truth involved, unless @OnAComputer is saying the North Forest coach is lying.

there's a shitton of convenient coincidences for all of this to be nothing.  what triggered all of this speculation is the north forest coach stating that fwk was shopping demas and dunn.  that came during a uil testimony.  if the coach is willing to go on record, then he better have a good claim.  that led to the revelation that fwk works out on property owned by the dunns.  add an aggy headcoach with ties to aggy via dauther's previous employment trying to get demas onto his team which also happens to have dunn as a qb, and an aggy recruiting "reporter" pimping qb dunn, then yeah the speculation and questions are warranted.

anyone who says otherwise has an agenda.

33 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

If nothing else, this is a shot across aggy's bow that we are watching. And I know for a fact that at least one national CFB writer is looking into it.

what's funny is all this shit may have been ignored and unquestioned if aggy, especially bag hag kathy, had not started blaming texas for controlling the UIL.  who in the fuck would even leap to that stupid conclusion?

Especially since anyone who follows high school football and recruiting knows that the UIL blocks transfers all of the time and has for years and years.

Yeah, as of now this isn't some smoking gun of all the dirty shit that's going on. But there are definitely issues worthy of looking into.

1. Demas testifies before the UIL State Executive Committee that he has only been at the Dunns' a couple of nights, maybe a few. Mrs. Dunn later posts on Facebook that he's been with them for a year. So immediately we have reason to believe that false testimony was given to the committee in an attempt to secure his eligibility. Nothing to worry about at the NCAA level yet.
2. A public employee testifies before the same committee that he was told by active NCAA coaches that a private trainer, Whitfield, was "shopping" Dunn and Demas around. Definitely something to worry about at the NCAA level.
3. Whitfield's business is located on land owned by the Dunns' company Dunnco/Dunn Development Corporation/whatever subsidiary it's officially owned by, the family whose wife/mother publicly stated that Demas has been living with them for a year.
4. The Dunns claim that it was all about rescuing a good kid from a nightmarish situation in North Forest where drugs and murders are commonplace. In fact, Demas lost a younger sibling to a murder. Oh, by the way, Demas's still living younger siblings were left back there in the horror movie hellscape when he moved to their 5,800+ square foot home on 1.2 acres in Tomball. These facts, attested to by Mrs. Dunn, seem to describe some questionable behavior at worst, and self-aggrandizing emoting on social media at best.
5. A fan website that is in a business relationship with an NCAA institution, and in fact is basically a recruiting arm of the University run by boosters, spent time attempting to improve the profile of the Dunns' son in hopes of getting him an NCAA scholarship.

Occam's Razor may be able to tell us a lot of things from there, but at a minimum we have false testimony to the UIL (don't really care because they got the decision correct as though they knew it was false, plus it's not a big national story), testimony that a prospect is being shopped in a package to NCAA universities (possible big story if it's researched further, also potentially a crime committed by the trainer under Texas law), and a very scuzzy at best seeming relationship between the parents of a 3-star mid-range prospect, a private trainer, and an NCAA institution.

Edited August 22, 2019 by Huckleberry

 

31 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

There is no downside to this thread or sending the smattering of data out to various groups. You don’t fucking know better. Shut the fuck up. 

I can think of some potential downside: (1) it's not like we aren't recruiting / signing FWK's players, too. How far down the rabbit hole do we really want this to go? 2) it is possible that we come off as pathetic and paranoid as the aggies whining about the UIL.

31 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

This situation is no different and aggie asked for it. FWK did a deal. He coordinated it through Hamm and Karen Johnson with ATM. When Texas and others got in Demas’ ear through legitimate routes after he committed, he attempted to then decommit. Then a big round-up phone call happens and Demas gets religion. From there, he moves schools and never seriously reconsiders anyone. Go take a fucking look back at that last fall. Take a look at the plain facts pointed out here. This is how corruption works in NCAA recruiting. 

The part about aggie asking for it, I completely agree with. If they are so brazen and stupid to be publicly running this through a failed pool boy and a dementia-riddled cuck-loving hag, neither of whom has enough sense to keep this shit off social media, then they really deserve it. The whole thing is so preposterous on its surface that it should be dismissed out of hand. But then again, this is aggy we are talking about. They are literally the only school that could fuck this up so badly.

25 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

"They started it" is a very childish way to go about things but in this case, that's exactly what happened. They poked the hornet's nest with their public belly-aching about the UIL/UT connection denying their star recruit to bend the rules to where he could play his senior year of HS football. Let's be honest -- it didn't take a whole lot of work to put this puzzle together.

Pretty much this.  The general sentiment on the recruiting thread leading up to Demas' eligibility hearing was that the kid, who is an aggy lock, should be able to try better his life if he could, but that it sure would be funny to see him get denied simply to add another log to the aggy misery fire.  And then after he got denied, ags stupidly pointed the finger at Texas and cried conspiracy with no factual support.  That shot across the bow is all it really took for some intrepid Surlyites to start digging and finding interesting info such as the Dunns' ownership of property where FWK plies his trade, the Flanigan family connections with A&M, and the educational backgrounds of the people who made the decision to deny Demas (only one person on the board with any Texas background, and we don't even know if he was one of the six who voted).  Ags brought this on themselves.  Fuck them.     

Edited August 22, 2019 by Carl Spackler

7 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Ags brought this on themselves.  Fuck them.     

Moral of many, many stories.  Nor does it ever get old!

This thread is so meta

6 minutes ago, The Dude said:

This thread is so meta

, dude.

33 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

1. Demas testifies before the UIL State Executive Committee that he has only been at the Dunns' a couple of nights, maybe a few. Mrs. Dunn later posts on Facebook that he's been with them for a year. So immediately we have reason to believe that false testimony was given to the committee in an attempt to secure his eligibility. Nothing to worry about at the NCAA level yet.

Well, Mrs. Dunn certainly isn't telling the truth. How was Demas getting to and from school last year? Tomball to North Forest is a 40mi drive each way through north Houston traffic.

5 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Well, Mrs. Dunn certainly isn't telling the truth. How was Demas getting to and from school last year? Tomball to North Forest is a 40mi drive each way through north Houston traffic.

I also can’t find any info or links online about Demas losing a younger sibling to murder. Figure that would come up somewhere given Demas’ status and the emotional story that would be. 

Just now, Helobious said:

I also can’t find any info or links online about Demas losing a younger sibling to murder. Figure that would come up somewhere given Demas’ status and the emotional story that would be. 

I thought about looking into that, too, but decided I didn't really want to find out it was true (terrible murder of a child) or find out it was false (Mrs. Dunn tells a terrible lie for self-interest).

1 hour ago, Skipper said:

A reporter digging into Crazy Karen specifically seems more worthwhile.   She's way too fucking stupid to cover her tracks well.  And it's pretty damn obvious what her role is.  It doesn't remotely pass the smell test that she's just a "Jimbo fan".   She's a big fucking liability.  I can't believe Jimbo hasn't cut her off.

 

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

what's funny is all this shit may have been ignored and unquestioned if aggy, especially bag hag kathy, had not started blaming texas for controlling the UIL.  who in the fuck would even leap to that stupid conclusion?

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Irish, UncleBuck and OnAComputer/Will Baizer are doing their level best to make something highly entertaining really, really dorked out with their bullshit around attempting to debunk this stuff. We don’t need a fucking splash of cold water here. There is no downside to this thread or sending the smattering of data out to various groups. You don’t fucking know better. Shut the fuck up. 

I faced this same shit when working the Lyles/Seastrunk/Oregon chicanery from Shaggy outward with the help of some folks in the CFB world. Then Yahoo picked it up and the next thing you know, wow, there was actual fucking corruption. 

This situation is no different and aggie asked for it. FWK did a deal. He coordinated it through Hamm and Karen Johnson with ATM. When Texas and others got in Demas’ ear through legitimate routes after he committed, he attempted to then decommit. Then a big round-up phone call happens and Demas gets religion. From there, he moves schools and never seriously reconsiders anyone. Go take a fucking look back at that last fall. Take a look at the plain facts pointed out here. This is how corruption works in NCAA recruiting. 

Schools get away with it usually because they’re not this stupid and because they rely on the naïveté and incredulity of the fanbases as well. A guy like Baizer showing up to tell everyone how wrong everyone else is because he occasionally talks to recruits and somehow gets paid for it only adds, unwittingly, to the obfuscation. 

 

These posts are turning into my new habit. Keep up the good work.

19 hours ago, sidis said:

isn't this the guy that got into a fight with taylor hamm on the sidelines of a high school football game and then had to be ejected from the premises?

 

Yeah, but it's still ok to hate him

2 hours ago, irishtexan said:

So what? I have no idea why anyone gives a shit about any of this.

The fuck?

I assume this Will Baizer fellow benefits from FWK continuing to train elite prospects?

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

what's funny is all this shit may have been ignored and unquestioned if aggy, especially bag hag kathy, had not started blaming texas for controlling the UIL.  who in the fuck would even leap to that stupid conclusion?

how many seats does Kyle Field have?

7 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I assume this Will Baizer fellow benefits from FWK continuing to train elite prospects?

No, he's just a reporter who doesn't want Texas fans pissing off Whitfield or spreading rumors that he isn't sure are true. The problem is that Texas fans are simply spreading facts. If the problem is that anyone with an IQ over room temperature infers that there's wrongdoing somewhere in this mess simply from reading those facts then that's not really the fault of the people posting the factual information.

Was the story about the younger brother that he was murdered? Or that he was actually close to violence personally such that he either witnessed a murder or lost a friend? 

The high school coach didn't say Demas was being shopped for money - he said Demas and Dunn were being shopped as a tandem take for certain schools.

Edited August 22, 2019 by Chopper

1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

Yeah, as of now this isn't some smoking gun of all the dirty shit that's going on. But there are definitely issues worthy of looking into.

1. Demas testifies before the UIL State Executive Committee that he has only been at the Dunns' a couple of nights, maybe a few. Mrs. Dunn later posts on Facebook that he's been with them for a year. So immediately we have reason to believe that false testimony was given to the committee in an attempt to secure his eligibility. Nothing to worry about at the NCAA level yet.
2. A public employee testifies before the same committee that he was told by active NCAA coaches that a private trainer, Whitfield, was "shopping" Dunn and Demas around. Definitely something to worry about at the NCAA level.
3. Whitfield's business is located on land owned by the Dunns' company Dunnco/Dunn Development Corporation/whatever subsidiary it's officially owned by, the family whose wife/mother publicly stated that Demas has been living with them for a year.
4. The Dunns claim that it was all about rescuing a good kid from a nightmarish situation in North Forest where drugs and murders are commonplace. In fact, Demas lost a younger sibling to a murder. Oh, by the way, Demas's still living younger siblings were left back there in the horror movie hellscape when he moved to their 5,800+ square foot home on 1.2 acres in Tomball. These facts, attested to by Mrs. Dunn, seem to describe some questionable behavior at worst, and self-aggrandizing emoting on social media at best.
5. A fan website that is in a business relationship with an NCAA institution, and in fact is basically a recruiting arm of the University run by boosters, spent time attempting to improve the profile of the Dunns' son in hopes of getting him an NCAA scholarship.

Occam's Razor may be able to tell us a lot of things from there, but at a minimum we have false testimony to the UIL (don't really care because they got the decision correct as though they knew it was false, plus it's not a big national story), testimony that a prospect is being shopped in a package to NCAA universities (possible big story if it's researched further, also potentially a crime committed by the trainer under Texas law), and a very scuzzy at best seeming relationship between the parents of a 3-star mid-range prospect, a private trainer, and an NCAA institution.

You and the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves for spouting this nonsense. These conspiracy theories of false testimony, public record, a website and its relationship with aggy are jus... sorry, couldn't continue with a straight face. 

24 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I assume this Will Baizer fellow benefits from FWK continuing to train elite prospect

 

Edited August 22, 2019 by Post Oak