The Guitar Pron Thread

[Chad Fuck 17,681]

I've purchased guitars with dings and whatnot, but I would never buy one with a repaired headstock unless it was something like half off buyer-to-buyer and I knew I was never going to resell it.  The thing is, I rarely buy something with the expectation that I will never sell it.

This. You’re just buying other peoples problems.

[Deej 76,787]

A friend has a 70's Custom LP that he got for almost nothing with a well-repaired headstock break. Great guitar. You just should be paying a much lower price and have it checked out. 

[dcbc 14,484]

6 hours ago, Goredho said:

Yeah, I have no experience with repaired necks/headstocks, but my biggest concern would be even if it seems ok now, can I be sure that it wouldn't get any worse over time even if well cared for?  A secondary concern would be if having to see such a noticeable scar every time I tune up affects how I perceive the guitar.  G string out of tune again, oh look at that, I had almost forgotten I had a broke ass guitar. Well, that sucks.

Maybe I just need to buy an Eastman T348.

Looking back, I could have kept it, repaired it, and loved it.  Good repairs hold up fine.  And my opinion now on a lot of my guitars is that dings and scrapes are fine and appreciated.  But, I have a better LP now.  So no regurts.  Plus, I like Goldtops with the mahogany backs better than the Goldmember models.

[dcbc 14,484]

5 hours ago, Celery Man said:

https://hazeguitars.com/blog/why-do-gibson-headstocks-break

here is an article about that issue, which seems to do a pretty good job of explaining why this happens all the time

this is illustrative of the issue

that's probably not an actual Gibson and man I hope they're better than that, but that's straight grain right there and if that headstock hits the ground first it's going to come off.

It's also why some Martins have this little bit of embellishment

 

The embellishment is the "volute."  Gibson started putting them on its guitars during the Norlin era.  I have a 1970 335 with a small one and never knew I was supposed to hate it.  They apparently got bigger over time and did nothing to prevent breaks. 

Maybe not nothing though.  The 335 of mine is a museum piece apart from a ding at the very top of the headstock.  My dumbass was taking it and the strap off my shoulder overhead.  Right into the ceiling fan.  Headstock is fine.  But there's a chip in an otherwise flawless guitar.  I was pissed then.  Now, I don't care.  It plays like a dream and is fifty years old!

[dcbc 14,484]

5 hours ago, Deej said:

Here's a really fantastic job of fixing a broken headstock on a Gibson. 

 

What a break!  But the repair was more impressive.  Good grief, what patience, skill, and artistry.

[Deej 76,787]

Seriously. That video is more pron than the guitar pics on this thread. Mesmerizing. 

Edited May 13, 2020 by Deej

[dcbc 14,484]

2 hours ago, tbone_ said:

Genuinely not trying to be a dick, but how did they screw you over if you agreed to the price and understood what they were doing the whole time?

I should have said that their apparent intent was to screw me over by paying/exchanging way less than than they believed it to be worth and listing it for $2,500 more than Guitar Center of all places had a year or three earlier.  I was not, in fact, screwed on that transaction.  But they low balled me for years, and their gear always was pretty pricey ($650--$700 for a 73 DR in 1998 was a bit steep; silverface hadn't hit its stride on the collector's market).  So it was a decision not to return based on a cumulative transaction history.  But my story already was getting too lengthy for my own attention span. 

I didn't take it as dickish . . . Dick. 

[Goredho 17,406]

Anyone have experience with Eastmans?  I am reading extremely good things, liking what I hear in vid reviews and this black with white binding I posted a pic of earlier gives me a 007 shaken not stirred tuxedo hardon.  I have always thought it a shame that 335s in black don't have white bindings on the F-holes, because they just disappear into the guitar body and can't be seen.  These are around $1200 new.  I can get that black one for $900.  For comparison, a new ES-335 would be around $3K.  You aren't allowed to give opinions, @noharleyyet  




 

 

Edited May 13, 2020 by Goredho

[Buzzrock 14,920]

Firefly thinline Teles back in stock for $129

https://guitarsgarden.com/collections/ffth-hollow-body-guitars

[Buzzrock 14,920]

LP junior models back on Amazon too

[Napoleon 8,679]

5 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

Firefly thinline Teles back in stock for $129

https://guitarsgarden.com/collections/ffth-hollow-body-guitars

Have no need for a FFPTH, but was considering pulling the trigger for a bit and then thought "WTF?!?! am I thinking??"

I bought 338s and then wondered what I had done. ("Brown" spalted, the Purple, and a Blue Transparent.) The Purple is pretty much perfect. The Blue T has a slight binding issue in one spot, but not much. The Brown has some spalting lines that look like the outline of Argentina, so I'm partial to it, but I think that it also has some filler in the spalted part (under the clear coats) and a little binding issue. 

Haven't touched any of them other than to take them out of the box and photograph them. I feel like until I sell off two, I don't need to buy another guitar for over $50. (I'm really happy with my $30 guitar that came with an extra pack of strings from last Saturday... but don't need another one that I can't buy with pocket cash.)

[Buzzrock 14,920]

How much do you want for the 338s?

[Deej 76,787]

Funny, but pics don't seem to be loading of those 338s.

[Chad Fuck 17,681]

15 hours ago, Goredho said:

Anyone have experience with Eastmans?  I am reading extremely good things, liking what I hear in vid reviews and this black with white binding I posted a pic of earlier gives me a 007 shaken not stirred tuxedo hardon.  I have always thought it a shame that 335s in black don't have white bindings on the F-holes, because they just disappear into the guitar body and can't be seen.  These are around $1200 new.  I can get that black one for $900.  For comparison, a new ES-335 would be around $3K.  You aren't allowed to give opinions, @noharleyyet  




 

 

Follow Willie's advice to Kinky Friedman about gambling (a gambling addict):  You know it's what you want to do.  You should do it.

[Goredho 17,406]

Just now, Chad Fuck said:

Follow Willie's advice to Kinky Friedman about gambling (a gambling addict):  You know it's what you want to do.  You should do it.

Hah!  Your timing is excellent, I may have just relapsed.

 

[noharleyyet 2,838]

3 hours ago, Deej said:

Funny, but pics don't seem to be loading of those 338s.

[Deej 76,787]

[VABuckeye 2,472]

When I bought the Taylor she said "it cost what"?

[noharleyyet 2,838]

I ignore a LOT of Amazon and Gilt packages....

[tbone_ 14,123]

When I bought the Taylor she said "it cost what"?

Mine said, well I guess it could have been worse. She was right. It was just a 3 series.

[VABuckeye 2,472]

Mine is just a 3 series as well but it still cost a significant amount for my first guitar.  😎

[tigol 2,397]

Would y'all be open to a beginners thread?  I've seen a few people post about picking up guitar due to being stuck at home.  Stress relief and a healthy habit.  I know a blues shuffle and a few chords, but I'm having issues on an acoustic transitioning between chords in standard tuning.  G to C, right now.  It's all about hand shapes, but I learn quickly with mimicking a teacher.  Online learning is tricky for me.  Fender Play has been good, but they don't emphasize repetition to a degree that I feel is necessary.  When I was in an orchestra on multiple instruments,  I had to practice each part until the neighbors were ready to call the cops.  Same shit over and over for days on end.

Point is, I don't want anyone picking up the guitar to give up based on the Fender Play app.  It's good, but if you're not familiar with what it takes to learn an instrument it might be frustrating.  Not pointing at Fender Play exclusively.  I've enjoyed the experience, but I know that my learning style might not fit their model 100%.

[DougO 5,247]

45 minutes ago, tigol said:

Would y'all be open to a beginners thread?  I've seen a few people post about picking up guitar due to being stuck at home.  Stress relief and a healthy habit.  I know a blues shuffle and a few chords, but I'm having issues on an acoustic transitioning between chords in standard tuning.  G to C, right now.  It's all about hand shapes, but I learn quickly with mimicking a teacher.  Online learning is tricky for me.  Fender Play has been good, but they don't emphasize repetition to a degree that I feel is necessary.  When I was in an orchestra on multiple instruments,  I had to practice each part until the neighbors were ready to call the cops.  Same shit over and over for days on end.

Point is, I don't want anyone picking up the guitar to give up based on the Fender Play app.  It's good, but if you're not familiar with what it takes to learn an instrument it might be frustrating.  Not pointing at Fender Play exclusively.  I've enjoyed the experience, but I know that my learning style might not fit their model 100%.

 

I learned the traditional c chord over 40 years ago and I still hate it. My fingers don't like it. I usually try to find a way around it if I can.

[tigol 2,397]

13 minutes ago, DougO said:

 

I learned the traditional c chord over 40 years ago and I still hate it. My fingers don't like it. I usually try to find a way around it if I can.

Damnit!  Same.  I hate it.  G is fun.

[jimmyjazz 45,947]

Oh man, open C is like 2nd base.  You gotta round 2nd base to get to home.  Embrace open C.  If you're an open G guy, then start with C9, which is plenty similar, and always sounds good.

[tbone_ 14,123]

Been playing a lot of acoustic shit lately. I’ll be damned if nearly every song doesn’t have a B7 or Bm. Ouch.

[jimmyjazz 45,947]

I emailed my buddy about the Firefly Tele knockoffs, and he grabbed a greenie.  Pics to eventually follow.  $129 is hard to bitch about.

[Chad Fuck 17,681]

I ignore a LOT of Amazon and Gilt packages....

I don’t know what Gilt is, but I’m feeling this post.

[Goredho 17,406]

8 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I emailed my buddy about the Firefly Tele knockoffs, and he grabbed a greenie.  Pics to eventually follow.  $129 is hard to bitch about.

At $129, it would be a fine value in man cave wall art, let alone a functional guitar.

[VABuckeye 2,472]

11 hours ago, tigol said:

Would y'all be open to a beginners thread?  I've seen a few people post about picking up guitar due to being stuck at home.  Stress relief and a healthy habit.  I know a blues shuffle and a few chords, but I'm having issues on an acoustic transitioning between chords in standard tuning.  G to C, right now.  It's all about hand shapes, but I learn quickly with mimicking a teacher.  Online learning is tricky for me.  Fender Play has been good, but they don't emphasize repetition to a degree that I feel is necessary.  When I was in an orchestra on multiple instruments,  I had to practice each part until the neighbors were ready to call the cops.  Same shit over and over for days on end.

Point is, I don't want anyone picking up the guitar to give up based on the Fender Play app.  It's good, but if you're not familiar with what it takes to learn an instrument it might be frustrating.  Not pointing at Fender Play exclusively.  I've enjoyed the experience, but I know that my learning style might not fit their model 100%.

Yes.  I'm in the same boat as you.  I did end up purchasing a learning method online.  At least it gives some structure as opposed to YouTube and throwing a bunch of shit on the wall to see if it sticks.

So far so good.  I do feel like I'm progressing.

[Goredho 17,406]

11 hours ago, tigol said:

Would y'all be open to a beginners thread?  I've seen a few people post about picking up guitar due to being stuck at home.  Stress relief and a healthy habit.  I know a blues shuffle and a few chords, but I'm having issues on an acoustic transitioning between chords in standard tuning.  G to C, right now.  It's all about hand shapes, but I learn quickly with mimicking a teacher.  Online learning is tricky for me.  Fender Play has been good, but they don't emphasize repetition to a degree that I feel is necessary.  When I was in an orchestra on multiple instruments,  I had to practice each part until the neighbors were ready to call the cops.  Same shit over and over for days on end.

Point is, I don't want anyone picking up the guitar to give up based on the Fender Play app.  It's good, but if you're not familiar with what it takes to learn an instrument it might be frustrating.  Not pointing at Fender Play exclusively.  I've enjoyed the experience, but I know that my learning style might not fit their model 100%.

I got my kids a subscription to https://www.justinguitar.com/site-map-and-lesson-structure and its solid.  One of the practice elements he preaches are chord changes for like 60 seconds.  Basically practice strumming that G and C back to back as quickly as you can accurately.  Accurately being the more important of the two.  Seems kind of silly, but damn if it hasn’t helped the kids get their fingers more comfortable changing shapes more fluidly.

The other thing I like from him that I see helping my kids are the ear training exercises.  Things like hum/sing a melody you know from memory while playing the notes on the guitar to develop associations between the sounds you make with your voice with sounds you hear in your head with sounds you hear in your ears with sounds you make on the guitar.

Edited May 15, 2020 by Goredho

[Chad Fuck 17,681]

5 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I got my kids a subscription to https://www.justinguitar.com/site-map-and-lesson-structure and its solid.  One of the practice elements he preaches are chord changes for like 60 seconds.  Basically practice strumming that G and C back to back as quickly as you can accurately.  Accurately being the more important of the two.  Seems kind of silly, but damn if it hasn’t helped the kids get their fingers more comfortable changing shapes more fluidly.

The other thing I like from him that I see helping my kids are the ear training exercises.  Things like hum/sing a melody you know from memory while playing the notes on the guitar to develop associations between the sounds you make with your voice with sounds you hear in your head with sounds you hear in your ears with sounds you make on the guitar.

$99 for a lifetime subscription seems like it might be worth it.

[Goredho 17,406]

And you can do most if not all the beginner stuff for free.  Easy enough to try and see if it’s giving you value.

[Chad Fuck 17,681]

12 minutes ago, Goredho said:

And you can do most if not all the beginner stuff for free.  Easy enough to try and see if it’s giving you value.

Yeah, I've been scoping out different on line learning sites as I feel like I've hit quite the plateau.  In contrast, True Fire's lifetime is $2k (!!!).  They have a lot more on offer though.  I'd rather have a new guitar, but knowing how to play the ones I have seems like an investment worthy of pursuing.

[Goredho 17,406]

32 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Yeah, I've been scoping out different on line learning sites as I feel like I've hit quite the plateau.  In contrast, True Fire's lifetime is $2k (!!!).  They have a lot more on offer though.  I'd rather have a new guitar, but knowing how to play the ones I have seems like an investment worthy of pursuing.

My plateau breaker is to go learn a new song or three written by others that are slightly outside my comfort zone either technically or in style.  Once I can play them well, my own playing/writing tends to have had the reset button pushed.

Edited May 15, 2020 by Goredho

[Celery Man 20,948]

I think there was a beginner's thread at one point maybe in hobbies or cyhmwt but it didn't get much traction.  I'd definitely be interested in following along with y'all's journey and helping out/revisiting basics along the way

[Celery Man 20,948]

also, you guys hating on C need Jesus.  Ceesus.  I play G from a C position more frequently than the standard way.

[AnotherUTFan 9,740]

#TeamCChord

[tbone_ 14,123]

I kind of think of you are going to be a guitar player you just have to be able to play a c chord pretty easily.

And screw that weird c shape g chord. I play g with the pinky on 3rd fret e string and ring finger on 3rd fret b string. Sounds better that way to me.

[Buzzrock 14,920]

I hate F more than C. I cheat on F using the C shape all the time.

This one is tempting me. I mean shit I just spent more at Total Wine.


https://guitarsgarden.com/collections/ffth-hollow-body-guitars/products/firefly-ffpth-semi-hollow-body-electric-guitar-sunburst

[tbone_ 14,123]

I love the look of that but there’s no way it can play well for $129 can it?

[noharleyyet 2,838]

27 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

I love the look of that but there’s no way it can play well for $129 can it?

Holy hell it better not.

[Celery Man 20,948]

I play G

320033

320003

32003x

3x003x

depending on what notes I want and what else I'm doing. How I shape them also has a lot to do with what else I'm playing, and if I'm doing a lot of C and G it's usually staying in that shape unless I really want both the high D and G.  3x003x played with either middle finger and ring finger or ring finger and pinky is really handy (or I guess... un-handy) if you're playing weird shapes or doing a lot of walking around.  First encountered that learning "You Shook Me All Night Long", but man picking out this video (I know i've linked this before) was a really cool "here's different ways you can play chords and walk around" learning experience for me

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45,947]

1 hour ago, tbone_ said:

I play g with the pinky on 3rd fret e string and ring finger on 3rd fret b string. Sounds better that way to me.

Yup.

[VABuckeye 2,472]

Thanks for posting that again CM.  It gives my new guitar fingers something interesting to attempt.  Very slowly.  lol

[Buzzrock 14,920]

I love the look of that but there’s no way it can play well for $129 can it?

I almost drunk bought that one and this one the other night:


https://guitarsgarden.com/collections/ffth-hollow-body-guitars/products/ffth-hollow-body-electric-guitar-metal-black

Here’s a review of the black one:

[jimmyjazz 45,947]

This is my go-to G:

[tbone_ 14,123]

This is my go-to G:

Team this.

Although I also use 550003 in drop D some too

[VABuckeye 2,472]

19 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

This is my go-to G:

That's what I've learned plus removing finger 3.

[jimmyjazz 45,947]

I only go to drop D on accident.