The Guitar Pron Thread

[JSB 677]

21 minutes ago, Bogeywon said:

Talk to me goose is that a j200? I need answers ASAP 

Yeah, SJ-200 Standard in wine red

[dcbc 14355]

To add to the I made a boo boo on my otherwise perfect Gibson stories.  In 1995, I saved up and bought a 1970 ES 335 from Guitar Resurrection.  It was the Walnut, looks like a coffee table, color.  They speculated it was left under some kid's bed when he went off to war and brought in years later by mom.  Just perfect.  Well, in 2001, I moved into our new house (current house) and had a music room in one of the upstairs bedrooms pre kids.  The upstairs bedrooms have 8 foot ceilings.  So I'm playing the 335 one night and I get finished and lift it over my head to get the strap off  and put the head stock into the ceiling fan, which was running on a medium setting.  I could have cried (at the time).  But it was so minor.  Just a chip on the back of the top corner headstock.  So minor, I've never gotten it patched.  Now, I look at it and just smile.  The guitar still looks, otherwise, perfect.  And that one imperfection was a bedroom wound.

 

[Bogeywon 2518]

18 minutes ago, dcbc said:

To add to the I made a boo boo on my otherwise perfect Gibson stories.  In 1995, I saved up and bought a 1970 ES 335 from Guitar Resurrection.  It was the Walnut, looks like a coffee table, color.  They speculated it was left under some kid's bed when he went off to war and brought in years later by mom.  Just perfect.  Well, in 2001, I moved into our new house (current house) and had a music room in one of the upstairs bedrooms pre kids.  The upstairs bedrooms have 8 foot ceilings.  So I'm playing the 335 one night and I get finished and lift it over my head to get the strap off  and put the head stock into the ceiling fan, which was running on a medium setting.  I could have cried (at the time).  But it was so minor.  Just a chip on the back of the top corner headstock.  So minor, I've never gotten it patched.  Now, I look at it and just smile.  The guitar still looks, otherwise, perfect.  And that one imperfection was a bedroom wound.

 

Almost bought a  guitar from Chicago music exchange like it!

[AnotherUTFan 9613]

They only did them with that trapeze tailpiece for a few years, late 60s early 70s if I recall.

I almost bought one just like your's in a pawn shop several years ago. Same color but not as great of shape. It had a very playable and somewhat smallish neck. I went back and forth on that one for a few days, walked in to buy a few days later and it was gone!

I'd stop by that shop everytime I was near it seeing if anything else would turn up and it finally did. I scored a Gibson Explorer in great shape with case a few years later for $700. That was fairly recent, 2017 maybe. Place is gone now.

[Deej 76301]

With guys like you taking advantage of their lack of knowledge, it's no wonder they're gone. Haha.

[dcbc 14355]

39 minutes ago, Bogeywon said:

Almost bought a  guitar from Chicago music exchange like it!

It's the most "even" playing guitar I ever have owned.  Sounds great through all of my amps.  Can get a little uncomfortable playing for long stretches.  But after owning it for 25 years this month, I'm even more convinced of its keeper status.

[dcbc 14355]

29 minutes ago, AnotherUTFan said:

They only did them with that trapeze tailpiece for a few years, late 60s early 70s if I recall.

I almost bought one just like your's in a pawn shop several years ago. Same color but not as great of shape. It had a very playable and somewhat smallish neck. I went back and forth on that one for a few days, walked in to buy a few days later and it was gone!

I'd stop by that shop everytime I was near it seeing if anything else would turn up and it finally did. I scored a Gibson Explorer in great shape with case a few years later for $700. That was fairly recent, 2017 maybe. Place is gone now.

1970 is the first year of the "walnut" finish too.  The neck is small, but I don't mind it.  It's also the first year of the dreaded "volute," which I didn't even know was a thing until a few years ago.  The one on mine barely is noticeable. 

[tbone_ 14016]

To add to the I made a boo boo on my otherwise perfect Gibson stories.  In 1995, I saved up and bought a 1970 ES 335 from Guitar Resurrection.  It was the Walnut, looks like a coffee table, color.  They speculated it was left under some kid's bed when he went off to war and brought in years later by mom.  Just perfect.  Well, in 2001, I moved into our new house (current house) and had a music room in one of the upstairs bedrooms pre kids.  The upstairs bedrooms have 8 foot ceilings.  So I'm playing the 335 one night and I get finished and lift it over my head to get the strap off  and put the head stock into the ceiling fan, which was running on a medium setting.  I could have cried (at the time).  But it was so minor.  Just a chip on the back of the top corner headstock.  So minor, I've never gotten it patched.  Now, I look at it and just smile.  The guitar still looks, otherwise, perfect.  And that one imperfection was a bedroom wound.
 

Buddy of mine in hs did that with one of the super early Randy Rhoads Jacksons. He was none too pleased.

[Bogeywon 2518]

Thinking of a 7 string. I like heavy music snd I never really played one. 

Edited August 14, 2021 by Bogeywon

[tbone_ 14016]

Should get good heaviosity with that.

[Bogeywon 2518]

2 hours ago, tbone_ said:

Should get good heaviosity with that.

Do you know much about 7s? I’m a huge deftones fan that’s why I picked this but am I better off with a standard?

[tbone_ 14016]

Zero honestly.

[BoomMF 1398]

NSIAP: John Mayer playing an Epiphone LP Studio into some little dinky Roland combo. Dude's rocking about $50 worth of gear in public and sounding like John Mayer. His bearing reminds me of SRV - Could have just jumped out and took the spotlight, but homeboy is just sitting back letting the kids do their things. I don't know why I let people convince me he was an asshole. Yeah, the headstock on his signature guitar is an asshole, but he doesn't seem like one.

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by BoomMF

[jimmyjazz 45324]

Eh, he admits he was an asshole in his younger days.  Nobody can legitimately deny his talent.

Every great guitarist I've ever heard play a rig that wasn't theirs sounded exactly like . . . themselves.  David Grissom was the first lesson in "ear, not gear" for me.

[tbone_ 14016]

That’s great. I am on record as having no beef with that guy.

[jimmyjazz 45324]

Love the keyboard break where Mayer is giving the guy the head nod . . . "go ahead, do it!"

[Chad Fuck 17429]

Eh, he admits he was an asshole in his younger days.  Nobody can legitimately deny his talent.
Every great guitarist I've ever heard play a rig that wasn't theirs sounded exactly like . . . themselves.  David Grissom was the first lesson in "ear, not gear" for me.

David Gilmour for me. Ten year old Chad read an interview with him and they were asking about how he got his tone. He said he could go into any own shop with any guitar/amp combo and sound like…David Gilmour. The lightbulb went off right then for me. They’re probably still picking bits of blown Chad cranium off that ceiling.

[AnotherUTFan 9613]

I'm not too familiar with JM's music, but he pops up everywhere guitar related and know he has a reputation as an asshole. The whole PRS Strat thing reinforced it. It takes a lot of balls to recreate an iconic guitar and then put your own name behind it.

That said, I saw a youtube video recently where he was giving a guitar lesson on one of his songs. He was emphasizing the key to it was the right hand technique, was actually a pretty good teacher. I came away thinking that was pretty cool. Taking a little time to teach your imitators. He didn't seem like an asshole in the video, he seemed sincere.

[jimmyjazz 45324]

16 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

David Gilmour for me. Ten year old Chad read an interview with him and they were asking about how he got his tone. He said he could go into any own shop with any guitar/amp combo and sound like…David Gilmour. The lightbulb went off right then for me. They’re probably still picking bits of blown Chad cranium off that ceiling.

Yeah, I've found that to be true from personal experience, too.  No matter what guitar and amp I play through, I (unfortunately) sound like myself.

[tbone_ 14016]

This ^

[Deej 76301]

 

[AnotherUTFan 9613]

Yeah, I've found that to be true from personal experience, too.  No matter what guitar and amp I play through, I (unfortunately) sound like myself.

Very true for me. For better or worse. Sometimes I wanna quit cause I can't get the sound I'm looking for, other times I love my sound.

Last week after the bar closed we were hanging out and dude I will eventually be in a band with was there. I think he's a great front man in one band and a great lead guitar player in another he's in. He always tells me how great my sound is, always telling me I have it in my fingers.

So I bring him upstairs to show off the bedroom rig ive been jamming on. I can't get enough of it. Just sounds like Rock and Roll in every way I love it.

I handed him the V and cranked the Marshall louder than I probably should at 2:30am.

He sounded like hell. Sharp, shrill, piercing. He kept turning knobs, "how do you tweak in that sound?"

I dont know if he needs a drummer or if it was the booze, but it was erratic and he had no time. You would think he juat started and somebody showed him a pentatonic scale. There was nothing musical about what was coming out. So we turned it off and went downstairs and hung out some more. Me thinking maybe something was wrong w my amp. I didn't pick up the guitar at all while up there.

Next morning I crank it up and get a big smile from crunch I was pulling out of an A chord. Just how I want it to sound.

Little bit of a Ray Charles experience.

Still want to be in a band with the guy, technically I already am.

[jimmyjazz 45324]

The "A" chord.  More specifically, the OPEN "A" chord.

First time I plugged into a Marshall was at some shitty modern retail shop near Stassney and I-35.  They had a JCM900 50 W head and a 4x12 cabinet.  I was literally "browsing", my wife was pissed I was taking so long, I spotted the Marshall rig and asked if I could try it.  "Sure.  Pick a guitar."  I grabbed a Strat, they plugged me in, I hit an open A chord, and popped a giant pants dance.  I mean, I could not believe it, and that amp SUCKED.

I bought it on the spot and had it for years.  Even shitty Marshalls are Marshalls.

My wife couldn't believe I wanted to drop ~ $2K on a half stack.  We divorced long before I got rid of that amp.

[DougO 5238]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, I've found that to be true from personal experience, too.  No matter what guitar and amp I play through, I (unfortunately) sound like myself.

I keep buying different guitars hoping they will make me sound like somebody that doesn't suck. I guess there's no longer any reason to be here.

[Paul Wesley 3273]

How about making your biggest fans the unsuspecting victims of the joke?  Is that a dick move?

[Scooter Monzingo 820]

57 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

The "A" chord.  More specifically, the OPEN "A" chord.

First time I plugged into a Marshall was at some shitty modern retail shop near Stassney and I-35.  They had a JCM900 50 W head and a 4x12 cabinet.  I was literally "browsing", my wife was pissed I was taking so long, I spotted the Marshall rig and asked if I could try it.  "Sure.  Pick a guitar."  I grabbed a Strat, they plugged me in, I hit an open A chord, and popped a giant pants dance.  I mean, I could not believe it, and that amp SUCKED.

I bought it on the spot and had it for years.  Even shitty Marshalls are Marshalls.

My wife couldn't believe I wanted to drop ~ $2K on a half stack.  We divorced long before I got rid of that amp.

I kept the amp’s too.

[DougO 5238]

I mainly just always hated Mayer's fakeass Dave Matthews wannabe cartoon voice. Then later found out he's a total douche.

[Celery Man 20814]

Good looking, smart, funny, prodigiously talented on the guitar, a decent songwriter. I bet he has a big dick and is a natural athlete. It would be remarkable if he wasn’t a giant douche as a young man and still have some douche tendencies. Being funny and a little self aware earns a lot of forgiveness. Outside of some kissing and telling, I don’t think he’s been hit with any metoo stuff, which is notable given who and what (and when) he is and given his history as a ladies man. I’m not a Grateful Dead guy but it seems like he’s been pretty respectful to the band, history, and audiences with Dead and Company. I bet he’s actually a blast.

[Chad Fuck 17429]

I keep buying different guitars hoping they will make me sound like somebody that doesn't suck. I guess there's no longer any reason to be here.

The next one might just do the trick though…

[Celery Man 20814]

your style evolves from playing, new guitars make you want to play, I don't see the problem here

[noharleyyet 2827]

A new set of Pings will make that one approach shot better...occasionally. 

[BoomMF 1398]

6 hours ago, Celery Man said:

your style evolves from playing, new guitars make you want to play, I don't see the problem here

Gear inspires.

[Chad Fuck 17429]

Gear inspires.

I need this t-shirt

[Paul Wesley 3273]

6 hours ago, BoomMF said:

Gear inspires.

Agreed, and I am looking for some tonal inspiration to help me write the last few songs of a guitar-centric album rock project.

I'm about to order (Warmoth) the semi-hollow electric with P90s that I've been wanting.

 

[Butch Had Not 2937]

On 8/14/2021 at 6:43 AM, Bogeywon said:

Thinking of a 7 string. I like heavy music snd I never really played one. 

I had a 7 string schecter with emg 81/85. I was excited but turns out that I rarely played it. LOVE  B tuning and the metal quality but I wish I played more. I love my LTD EC1000 that it kind of replaced it.  Ended up trading the schecter for MIM strat.

 

[Scooter Monzingo 820]

On 8/15/2021 at 12:45 AM, Celery Man said:

Good looking, smart, funny, prodigiously talented on the guitar, a decent songwriter. I bet he has a big dick and is a natural athlete. It would be remarkable if he wasn’t a giant douche as a young man and still have some douche tendencies. Being funny and a little self aware earns a lot of forgiveness. Outside of some kissing and telling, I don’t think he’s been hit with any metoo stuff, which is notable given who and what (and when) he is and given his history as a ladies man. I’m not a Grateful Dead guy but it seems like he’s been pretty respectful to the band, history, and audiences with Dead and Company. I bet he’s actually a blast.

I’m not going to comment on what he does away from music, mostly because I don’t care. But, in the circle of professional players he has mucho respect, the guy can play. 

 

 

[Goredho 17247]

7 hours ago, Paul Wesley said:

Agreed, and I am looking for some tonal inspiration to help me write the last few songs of a guitar-centric album rock project.

I'm about to order (Warmoth) the semi-hollow electric with P90s that I've been wanting.

 

I want a tone demo if you don’t mine sharing when it’s all said and done.

[Bogeywon 2518]

7 hours ago, Butch Had Not said:

I had a 7 string schecter with emg 81/85. I was excited but turns out that I rarely played it. LOVE  B tuning and the metal quality but I wish I played more. I love my LTD EC1000 that it kind of replaced it.  Ended up trading the schecter for MIM strat.

 

That’s my fear. I’ll write 2 songs with it and be done. I’ve never tuned a 6 string to B. Maybe I should screw with that first?

[Butch Had Not 2937]

4 hours ago, Bogeywon said:

That’s my fear. I’ll write 2 songs with it and be done. I’ve never tuned a 6 string to B. Maybe I should screw with that first?

Not sure if it goes with or without saying but you will need to change your strings out for thicker guage. What are your current string guitars?

[Deej 76301]

3 minutes ago, Butch Had Not said:

Not sure if it goes with or without saying but you will need to change your strings out for thicker guage. What are your current string guitars?

Then you'll need to adjust the tension on the truss rod to accommodate the thicker gauge strings. 

Seems like you should buy another 6-string just for that experiment. If that works out for you, then buy a 7-string. 

Then we have two new guitars. 

[Butch Had Not 2937]

If ever in doubt, follow this flow chart.

[Bogeywon 2518]

22 minutes ago, Butch Had Not said:

Not sure if it goes with or without saying but you will need to change your strings out for thicker guage. What are your current string guitars?

Gonna put Ernie ball skinny too heavy bottom. That’s what I always used on my go to. I play a lot of drop D

17 minutes ago, Deej said:

Then you'll need to adjust the tension on the truss rod to accommodate the thicker gauge strings. 

Seems like you should buy another 6-string just for that experiment. If that works out for you, then buy a 7-string. 

Then we have two new guitars. 

I will. And if it works out then yes yes we will

[hullabelew 3698]

16 hours ago, Paul Wesley said:

Agreed, and I am looking for some tonal inspiration to help me write the last few songs of a guitar-centric album rock project.

I'm about to order (Warmoth) the semi-hollow electric with P90s that I've been wanting.

 

Was just listening to "When I Let Go" while on vacation.   I'm excited for this one!

[Paul Wesley 3273]

38 minutes ago, hullabelew said:

Was just listening to "When I Let Go" while on vacation.   I'm excited for this one!

Thank you.  Much appreciated.

 

[Chad Fuck 17429]

1 hour ago, Paul Wesley said:

Thank you.  Much appreciated.

 

Tell us more about this project.  I'm intrigued. 

[Paul Wesley 3273]

3 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

Tell us more about this project.  I'm intrigued. 

"When I Let Go" was my first record, which hulla was generous and gracious to mention.

https://music.apple.com/us/album/when-i-let-go/304922304

I wanted my next record to be less "reflective songwriter" and more electric-guitar album rock... like a Stones record somewhere between "Sticky Fingers" and "Some Girls" (I'm not saying that's where  the songs are all gonna land, but that's what I'm aiming for).  

About four years ago, when I was about eight songs into this rock album, I was feeling frustrated at the pace of my songwriting.  On a lark, I decided to get the studio pros (who are brilliant and who I had already booked for a session) to use that day on some different original material -- one Philly soul track and one disco number.  

So on that day in late 2016, the disco project started with me going to South Austin Music and buying a wah pedal and a vocoder.  Then there were nine more songs, four+ years of string arrangers, hired orchestras, horn arrangers, marching bands, gospel choirs, multiple percussionists, and an extensive search for the right vocalists...  It is about as ambitious as a musical project can be.

Last week I handed off a hard drive of the final disco/funk sessions to the mix engineer.  

 

Edit:  obviously I was not successful enough for iTunes to disambiguate me from everyone whose name is remotely similar to my own.  The only songs that are mine on iTunes are the ones listed under that album title.  If you click on my name, none of those other people/songs are me/mine.

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Paul Wesley

[Chad Fuck 17429]

11 hours ago, Paul Wesley said:

"When I Let Go" was my first record, which hulla was generous and gracious to mention.

https://music.apple.com/us/album/when-i-let-go/304922304

I wanted my next record to be less "reflective songwriter" and more electric-guitar album rock... like a Stones record somewhere between "Sticky Fingers" and "Some Girls" (I'm not saying that's where  the songs are all gonna land, but that's what I'm aiming for).  

About four years ago, when I was about eight songs into this rock album, I was feeling frustrated at the pace of my songwriting.  On a lark, I decided to get the studio pros (who are brilliant and who I had already booked for a session) to use that day on some different original material -- one Philly soul track and one disco number.  

So on that day in late 2016, the disco project started with me going to South Austin Music and buying a wah pedal and a vocoder.  Then there were nine more songs, four+ years of string arrangers, hired orchestras, horn arrangers, marching bands, gospel choirs, multiple percussionists, and an extensive search for the right vocalists...  It is about as ambitious as a musical project can be.

Last week I handed off a hard drive of the final disco/funk sessions to the mix engineer.  

 

Edit:  obviously I was not successful enough for iTunes to disambiguate me from everyone whose name is remotely similar to my own.  The only songs that are mine on iTunes are the ones listed under that album title.  If you click on my name, none of those other people/songs are me/mine.

 

This is super cool.  Then what about the Warmoth P-90?  What do you have in mind there?

[hullabelew 3698]

I'm not just saying this.  Paul's "When I Let Go" is a great record.   

Edited August 17, 2021 by hullabelew

[Paul Wesley 3273]

3 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

This is super cool.  Then what about the Warmoth P-90?  What do you have in mind there?

 

Thinline tele shape, alder body, chambered, rear-route controls laid out like traditional tele.  Hardtail.  

Will get Fralin hum cancelling P90 soap bars.

I'm a maple neck guy.  Maybe Birdseye.

This color is satin-finished metallic blue ice.  I kind of like the copper metallic color too, but I don't think the copper lends itself well to neck/pick guard/pickup color combos.

Haven't decided on color of knobs (black vs metallic), bridge (?stainless), or pickup covers (stainless or white).  Pick guard will probably be that off-white mother of pearl stuff.  So cosmetically it will be very close to the color combo of my Strat.  

The only detail I haven't ironed out is the type of bridge and the string spread.  My plan was to drill it for a traditional Tele bridge (like an ashtray), and then put in a short tele bridge (hipshot and several others make them), but the option for that bridge is "ghosted out" on the Warmoth site because they want you to know that you can't order an ashtray bridge and also a P90 bridge route.  

I also sent an email to Lindy Fralin and asked him which string spread is optimal for his P90s... I might just get Warmoth to drill for the ferrules and leave myself a couple of options for the screw pattern of the various bridges, but I'm not sure if I should put the ferrule spread at .416 or .430 or .441 

It's my first foray into the build-it-yourself world.  I'm just not that wild about my off-the-shelf options (Casino or Midtown).  

I've found a couple guitarsthat are close to what I'm thinking... like this one:

https://reverb.com/item/33054086-paoletti-nancy-lounge-thinline-2p90

But that is 1) really heavy for a chambered-body guitar, and 2) kind of ugly, IMO.  Not to mention that I can build exactly what I want - with better electronics - for about half that price.

Warmoth says 12 weeks for a metallic finish body and no binding.  I might take it to Danny Shoemaker and have him assemble and Plek it as soon as it's put together.  

That all means I'll be lucky to finish it by the end of this year.  If I'm gonna have NGD before then, I'll have to join AUTF in the 000-28 club.

Way more info than you wanted, right?

 

 

[Chad Fuck 17429]

34 minutes ago, Paul Wesley said:

 

Thinline tele shape, alder body, chambered, rear-route controls laid out like traditional tele.  Hardtail.  

Will get Fralin hum cancelling P90 soap bars.

I'm a maple neck guy.  Maybe Birdseye.

This color is satin-finished metallic blue ice.  I kind of like the copper metallic color too, but I don't think the copper lends itself well to neck/pick guard/pickup color combos.

Haven't decided on color of knobs (black vs metallic), bridge (?stainless), or pickup covers (stainless or white).  Pick guard will probably be that off-white mother of pearl stuff.  So cosmetically it will be very close to the color combo of my Strat.  

The only detail I haven't ironed out is the type of bridge and the string spread.  My plan was to drill it for a traditional Tele bridge (like an ashtray), and then put in a short tele bridge (hipshot and several others make them), but the option for that bridge is "ghosted out" on the Warmoth site because they want you to know that you can't order an ashtray bridge and also a P90 bridge route.  

I also sent an email to Lindy Fralin and asked him which string spread is optimal for his P90s... I might just get Warmoth to drill for the ferrules and leave myself a couple of options for the screw pattern of the various bridges, but I'm not sure if I should put the ferrule spread at .416 or .430 or .441 

It's my first foray into the build-it-yourself world.  I'm just not that wild about my off-the-shelf options (Casino or Midtown).  

I've found a couple guitarsthat are close to what I'm thinking... like this one:

https://reverb.com/item/33054086-paoletti-nancy-lounge-thinline-2p90

But that is 1) really heavy for a chambered-body guitar, and 2) kind of ugly, IMO.  Not to mention that I can build exactly what I want - with better electronics - for about half that price.

Warmoth says 12 weeks for a metallic finish body and no binding.  I might take it to Danny Shoemaker and have him assemble and Plek it as soon as it's put together.  

That all means I'll be lucky to finish it by the end of this year.  If I'm gonna have NGD before then, I'll have to join AUTF in the 000-28 club.

Way more info than you wanted, right?

 

 

Ooooh!  This kind of project hits me in my feels. 

 I saw a thinline like this at my last ACL Fest.  But it was metallic green, with gold accents.  That could work here with gold/blue, since you're P-90 covers will likely be cream.  

Double binding that in cream that matches the P-90 covers with a light gold MOP pick guard would be pretty damned cool as well.  

Or you could go the other way, get double white binding and white pick guard, white P-90 covers with chrome hardware.  That'd look killer as well.  

So many good options here.