The Guitar Pron Thread

[Anton Chigurh 3318]

I believe that the pickups in Jazzmasters aren't technically P90s - how do they stack up sonically?

Yeah, they are pretty different.

Both are single coils, but the JMs are kind of just oversized tele/strat style pickups but are fatter with a more full kind of tone.

P-90s have a bar magnet instead of pole piece magnets (the PAF is constructed almost kind of like a dual coil P-90), and their sound really is kind of a hybrid between the PAF and single coil twang, which is why they are fucking awesome.

[Anton Chigurh 3318]

Another fun fact:

The J Mascis Signature JM pickups are basically P-90 lite under a JM cover (wider and flatter bobbin but with P-90 construction, with maybe a little less output).

[tbone_ 14020]

I believe that the pickups in Jazzmasters aren't technically P90s - how do they stack up sonically?

[jimmyjazz 45485]

Nothing but a master class in INSANE guitar tones:

 

[Napoleon 8595]

1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

I believe that the pickups in Jazzmasters aren't technically P90s - how do they stack up sonically?

 

AROUND 1:05 he starts talking about pickups.

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by Napoleon

[Celery Man 20870]

Funny sometimes when you learn seemingly basic stuff this late. I thought for the longest time that jazz masters had straight up P-90s. I guess now that’s +1 guitar I need.

 

1 hour ago, Anton Chigurh said:

Another fun fact:

The J Mascis Signature JM pickups are basically P-90 lite under a JM cover (wider and flatter bobbin but with P-90 construction, with maybe a little less output).

mannnn I been wanting one of those anyways

 

 

[Deej 76467]

8 hours ago, Bogeywon said:

Ok… I admit I have a problem. I think I may sell my black American tele and my Hendrix Monterey strat and throw it on this…. I mean come on even the head stock haters gotta love this 

How much for the Tele. I'm hanging on for a Surlycaster, but...

[tbone_ 14020]

Nothing but a master class in INSANE guitar tones:
 

Look at that smirk on Sturgill at :46. That’s a smirk that says yep we got it going on right here.

[jimmyjazz 45485]

13 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Look at that smirk on Sturgill at :46. That’s a smirk that says yep we got it going on right here.

Yeah, that was great.  Plus, Sturgill is your lead guitar.  LMAO.  Just cocky as hell, all of them.

[Celery Man 20870]

Yeah I need a jazzmaster.

I listened to the Wilco live album from 2005ish a bunch this year, which really planted that seed. I imagine it was a lot of Tweedy on an SG and Cline with a jazzmaster 

I want to play like this on a stage.

Edited January 18, 2022 by Celery Man

[Buzzrock 14867]

Funny sometimes when you learn seemingly basic stuff this late. I thought for the longest time that jazz masters had straight up P-90s. I guess now that’s +1 guitar I need.
 
mannnn I been wanting one of those anyways
 

 

I made that mistake in this thread a couple years ago. I had gone through life thinking the same thing.

[jimmyjazz 45485]

Guitar pron thinks this is guitar pron:

 

[noharleyyet 2832]

Selling a couple guitars and amps...calling it quality & space consolidation. So the store that's doing the real market lifting for me shows me this when I pick up the Magnatone and drop off my gear. Collings 290SC (stock pic, same color). Ran it thru the Twilight...damn

[Rip76 4909]

I think this should go in the guitar pron thread since it's the guitar being featured in this clip.  But that Tone King "Imperial," amp isn't bad either.

This tone is just so freaking good.

 

 

[DougO 5239]

20 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Guitar pron thinks this is guitar pron:

 

That was enjoyable. 

[tigol 2383]

On 1/17/2022 at 3:42 PM, tbone_ said:

 

This may be a dumb question, but which amp do you think he's using here?  The Vox or Fender?  I'm leaning towards the Vox due to a little bit of "chimey" sound, but my inexperience tells me that could be any number of things.  Great song.  The entire show was spectacular.

[tbone_ 14020]

Sounds fender to me

[dcbc 14385]

33 minutes ago, tigol said:

This may be a dumb question, but which amp do you think he's using here?  The Vox or Fender?  I'm leaning towards the Vox due to a little bit of "chimey" sound, but my inexperience tells me that could be any number of things.  Great song.  The entire show was spectacular.

He appears to be using a pair of '62 Princeton Chris Stapleton edition amps.  Reverb is outboard, apparently.

If you pause at the 30 second mark, you can see them behind him.

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender/62-Princeton-Chris-Stapleton-Edition-12W-1x12-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp-Brown-1500000258494.gc?cntry=us&source=4WWRWXGP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt-WVhNG89QIVRBXUAR1FLQliEAQYASABEgJ0n_D_BwE

Edited January 19, 2022 by dcbc

[jimmyjazz 45485]

2 hours ago, tbone_ said:

Sounds fender to me

100% agreed.

[tigol 2383]

4 hours ago, dcbc said:

He appears to be using a pair of '62 Princeton Chris Stapleton edition amps.  Reverb is outboard, apparently.

If you pause at the 30 second mark, you can see them behind him.

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender/62-Princeton-Chris-Stapleton-Edition-12W-1x12-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp-Brown-1500000258494.gc?cntry=us&source=4WWRWXGP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt-WVhNG89QIVRBXUAR1FLQliEAQYASABEgJ0n_D_BwE

Well.....I guess we can nix the JM pickups as the tone master.    

[dcbc 14385]

9 hours ago, tigol said:

Well.....I guess we can nix the JM pickups as the tone master.    

Everything is a contributor.

[DougO 5239]

I keep hearing from the artists that tone is all in the fingers.

I always kinda think its mostly bullshit.

 

[jimmyjazz 45485]

12 minutes ago, DougO said:

I keep hearing from the artists that tone is all in the fingers.

I always kinda think its mostly bullshit.

"Tone" per se is certainly a function of a lot of things, but the player has SOMETHING to do with it.  A great player's style is, in my opinion, very recognizable regardless of gear.  Tone?  Well, the gear is part of that equation, but not all of it.

[Napoleon 8595]

Tone is all in the:

-pickups

-pots

-pickup height

-pedals

-pedal order

-amp

-body wood

-neck wood

-bridge

-nut

-strings

-pick

-fingers

 

…so tone being in the fingers is partially correct. 

[DougO 5239]

I think there are different definitions of tone. To me, the player provides mostly feel, attack and touch, which contributes to tone. But there's a reason people buy all these different amps and pedals and stuff.

[tbone_ 14020]

Y’all are ignoring the most critical of all elements of tone: the lower slung the guitar, the better the tone. It’s pure science, to wit:





Also often scoffed at by people who don’t know shit is the requirement for a 100 watt, very old Marshall. The more the better. This rig would be a good start




Last, don’t over look the positive effect that spandex/pleather pants can can have on tone either. Makes a big difference

[jimmyjazz 45485]

56 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Also often scoffed at by people who don’t know shit is the requirement for a 100 watt, very old Marshall. The more the better. This rig would be a good start


 

[noharleyyet 2832]

NM . . .

Edited January 19, 2022 by noharleyyet

[jimmyjazz 45485]

LMAO.  Beat you by one minute.

[noharleyyet 2832]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

LMAO.  Beat you by one minute.

Yep, looked up and saw the tailpiece . . .; )

[tbone_ 14020]

That dudes tone clearly sucked

[noharleyyet 2832]

 

...it's all in the cable

 

Edited January 19, 2022 by noharleyyet

[jimmyjazz 45485]

Shades of Eric Johnson, and cable direction and 9V battery brands.

[Deej 76467]

7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

and 9V battery brands.

The cheap 9v batteries give the best pedal tones. 

[noharleyyet 2832]

22 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Shades of Eric Johnson, and cable direction and 9V battery brands.

I didn't realize it was an ad til the last...don't care, had sex

[tbone_ 14020]

The cheap 9v batteries give the best pedal tones. 

But only for about 10 min

[Buzzrock 14867]

But only for about 10 min

Way more than I need.

[Deej 76467]

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Electro-Harmonix/9V-Battery-1373474470006.gc

[Deej 76467]

"1.  A Battery Sounds Better Than an AC Adapter With A Fuzz 
2.  A Vintage Style Carbon Zinc Battery is Better Than a Modern Alkaline Type
3.  A Fuzz Sounds Best When the Battery Is Just About to Die
4.  DIfferent Brands of Batteries Sound Different."

https://andrewmartinmusic.net/blogs/the-laboratory/posts/a-battery-of-tests-part-i-fuzz-face

 

[tigol 2383]

On 1/17/2022 at 3:51 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Nothing but a master class in INSANE guitar tones:

 

His wife is, um, pregnant a lot.  

[DougO 5239]

On 1/16/2022 at 8:57 AM, Superhero said:

For that price range, you should also look at the Yamaha FGX800 (dreadnought) or FSX800 (orchestra body) guitar.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FGX800C--yamaha-fgx800c-dreadnought-cutaway-natural

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FSX800C--yamaha-fsx800c-concert-cutaway-natural

I got a FS800 for my niece and it played really well for a beginner level acoustic. 

I like Yamaha guitars and often find one that seems like a bargain for the quality. But I ended up ordering this Alvarez "Folk Guitar", similar to the second Yamaha you linked.

https://www.adorama.com/alaf30ce.html

I started wondering what the heck a "folk guitar" was and saw Alvarez also uses that classification, most others don't seem to. But the Alvarez version has a 1.75" nut width, vs 1.675 that everything else at the same price range has, which is something I really wanted.  Nobody close has them in stock to try in person so I took a shot on getting a good one. Adorama had theirs priced $30 cheaper than the rest and I do a lot of business with them. Looking forward to trying it out, but it's on special order so not going to ship for a week or two.

Edited January 20, 2022 by DougO

[DougO 5239]

I was checking out some upper end Alvarez guitars also, but they don't come with dots. I hate that. I gotta have dots on the fretboard. A friend of mine recently had one and it kinda drove me nuts. I'm not good enough to play without dots. The tiny dots on the edge don't work for me.

[DougO 5239]

20 hours ago, Deej said:

The cheap 9v batteries give the best pedal tones. 

Even HEB makes batteries these days. We can't be that far removed from the Surlyvolt. Make it so.

[dcbc 14385]

17 hours ago, Deej said:

"1.  A Battery Sounds Better Than an AC Adapter With A Fuzz 
2.  A Vintage Style Carbon Zinc Battery is Better Than a Modern Alkaline Type
3.  A Fuzz Sounds Best When the Battery Is Just About to Die
4.  DIfferent Brands of Batteries Sound Different."

https://andrewmartinmusic.net/blogs/the-laboratory/posts/a-battery-of-tests-part-i-fuzz-face

 

My old Pedal Power 2 used to have two outputs where you could set them to mimic a dying 9 volt battery.  I honestly couldn't hear the difference.

[Celery Man 20870]

2 hours ago, DougO said:

I was checking out some upper end Alvarez guitars also, but they don't come with dots. I hate that. I gotta have dots on the fretboard. A friend of mine recently had one and it kinda drove me nuts. I'm not good enough to play without dots. The tiny dots on the edge don't work for me.

you need to spend some time playing a gretsch with the hump inlays. that way in the future if you're playing a neck without markers and find yourself looking at the fretboard you'll be like

 

[Goredho 17293]

What happens when your aging parent who knows you are into guitars figures out how to use the intardnet.

 

[tbone_ 14020]

What happens when your aging parent who knows you are into guitars figures out how to use the intardnet.
 

[Deej 76467]

This cold weather calls for a 5-string Esquire in open G through a Champ to warm things up.

 

[noharleyyet 2832]

58 minutes ago, Deej said:

This cold weather calls for a 5-string Esquire in open G through a Champ to warm things up.

 

[Napoleon 8595]

9 minutes ago, noharleyyet said:

That was back when Keef was "young"!

He looks more like Winnie The Pooh's grandpa these days. 

At the Cotton Bowl last November...

Edited January 21, 2022 by Napoleon