The Guitar Pron Thread

[jimmyjazz 45560]

I definitely want piano touch.  I wouldn't have to do 73 keys, but in my world I just don't get out to either the bottom or top octave.  The feel would be priority #1 -- my S80 is "OK", but a little on the light side and "plasticky" feeling.  It's also really heavy.

[tbone_ 14025]

You should get this

[G650 14107]

21 minutes ago, sidis said:

and i can assure that it does not have a PRS design element on it anywhere.

[sidis 9754]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I definitely want piano touch.  I wouldn't have to do 73 keys, but in my world I just don't get out to either the bottom or top octave.  The feel would be priority #1 -- my S80 is "OK", but a little on the light side and "plasticky" feeling.  It's also really heavy.

Well then I am going to save you and awful lot of time and frustration if you want hammer action feel. While you may not use the top or bottom registers, you are still going to want to limit your search to the 88 key models. Trust me or not but eventually you will learn that I’m right and my years of frustration and wasted money should have been your gain. 

best feel out there: Doepfer LMK4+

next, lots of options. NI KK S88, StudioLogic SL88, Roland RD88, Roland A88, korg d88, M-Audio Hammer 88 all excellent weighted key feel. 

If you go less than 88, I would predict you will be unhappy and unsatisfied with the plasticky, synth key feel of basically everything except maybe the StudioLogic SL73. 

primary downside: they take up a shitload of space. 

Edited July 28, 2022 by sidis

[Chad Fuck 17566]

WTF is this keyboard talk all up in the guitar thread?  I cannot handle 88 keys.  I can only handle six strings and barely that.

[Celery Man 20886]

23 hours ago, dcbc said:

Bob Weir took the look to town and bought it dinner.

 

[jimmyjazz 45560]

41 minutes ago, sidis said:

best feel out there: Doepfer LMK4+

next, lots of options. NI KK S88, StudioLogic SL88, Roland RD88, Roland A88, korg d88, M-Audio Hammer 88 all excellent weighted key feel. 

If you go less than 88, I would predict you will be unhappy and unsatisfied with the plasticky, synth key feel of basically everything except maybe the StudioLogic SL73. 

Thanks . . . looks like I need to go play some of these.

[Goredho 17349]

9 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

WTF is this keyboard talk all up in the guitar thread?  I cannot handle 88 keys.  I can only handle six strings and barely that.

[Chad Fuck 17566]

Just now, Goredho said:

[Buzzrock 14871]

You should get this

Or this

[Goredho 17349]

39 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

To cleanse the palette, in spite of getting back into keyboards, I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on one of these.

 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Goredho

[noharleyyet 2837]

...not the Suhr, the tinkle instruments

[dcbc 14409]

Keyboard side bar:

 

I played piano some growing up before I switched to guitar.  My senior year at UT, I stopped in One World Music (above the Continental Club), where I'd previously scored a Maestro Phaser, and they had a Fender Contempo organ.  I think I grabbed it for $300, got it back to my apartment, plugged it in and quickly realized that knowing how to play piano only tangentially translates to knowing how to play organ.  I kept it for a month or so and sold it back to One World.  I think Earthpig bought it after that.  Damn thing was in perfect condition.

 

 

If I'd just learned some basics, I could have been hired to play the score for Napoleon Dynamite.

 

 

Edited July 28, 2022 by dcbc

[Buzzrock 14871]

a true controller is meant only for triggering midi...not for having built in sounds.  if you want a standalone, one would look at something more like a korg krome or something (which is what it sounds like you want).  but controllers can run any sample in the world which are virtually limitless.  i have samples of a zillion different pianos (current favorite is native instruments' recording of the steinway used in the columbia studios for decades (including the piano recordings for miles's kind of blue).  it's pretty cheap too.

Maybe I asked the question wrong. I have an 88-key controller now. I’d like to be able to use it as part of my jam room setup. My question is: do you have to run it through a computer with a full operating system and software (GarageBand or whatever), or are there stand alone “brains” I can hook to it to provide sounds (I understand I’d need a PA or keyboard amp to actually make noise).

[sidis 9754]

44 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

Maybe I asked the question wrong. I have an 88-key controller now. I’d like to be able to use it as part of my jam room setup. My question is: do you have to run it through a computer with a full operating system and software (GarageBand or whatever), or are there stand alone “brains” I can hook to it to provide sounds (I understand I’d need a PA or keyboard amp to actually make noise).

I gotcha now. 

no, it does not have to run through a full computer. There are a few hardware modules out there with VI banks that will do the conversion but the simplest thing is to use in lieu of a computer is an iPad or phone with an app like Korg’s “Module.” 

https://www.korg.com/us/products/software/korg_module/

i have never used it personally but I do have a korg kronos as my standalone keyboard with the I believe the same bank of sounds and they are great. They can’t compare to my hard drives or virtual instrument samples by any stretch but if you are just looking for some basic piano and organ sounds, that should take care of you pretty well. 

if you don’t want to spend the money on that app, garage band on the iPad or phone will also work and is free. Garage band has a pretty significant bank of instruments and your phone will absolutely interpret midi signals through a controller. I used to set up a little 25 key to my daughter’s iPad so should play it with an actual keyboard. For her, I just did Bluetooth to a speaker but there was some latency. But you could definitely do the same thing as above with just garage band. You just need a usb to lightning converter. 

Edited July 29, 2022 by sidis

[Buzzrock 14871]

Holy shit that's a great idea. I have old iPhones lying around all over the place. I think I even have one of those USB dongles. Thanks!

I was trying to do something similar with a Windows tablet and some free software but Windows fucking blows and it was a hassle. I'd much rather stick with Apple.

[Buzzrock 14871]

Turns out I don't have that dongle (I have every other dongle ever made, as is always the case in these situations) but Amazon can get it to me today. I have a big party speaker I can connect it to for now. I'll be Chuck Leavell by tonight!

OK, back to your regularly scheduled Guitar Pr0n. That Luxxtone is for sale again:

https://reverb.com/item/53419487-luxxtone-choppa-s-2021-aged-white 

[Goredho 17349]

16 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

Turns out I don't have that dongle (I have every other dongle ever made, as is always the case in these situations) but Amazon can get it to me today. I have a big party speaker I can connect it to for now. I'll be Chuck Leavell by tonight!

OK, back to your regularly scheduled Guitar Pr0n. That Luxxtone is for sale again:

https://reverb.com/item/53419487-luxxtone-choppa-s-2021-aged-white 

It's going to keep coming back up and up until you buy that fucker.  Do it!

I settled on a modern voiced guitar. A Suhr Modern Plus with this over-the-top PRSesque flamey finish and grotesque tennis shoe headstock is incoming.  The humbuckers can be coil tapped to basically have all the pickup configs of a Les Paul and a Strat.  I will be evaluating if it sounds strat-y enough with everything tapped to let my strat go.

[noharleyyet 2837]

Dammit, where's my tube sock . . .

[Buzzrock 14871]

1 hour ago, Goredho said:

It's going to keep coming back up and up until you buy that fucker.  Do it!

 

$2800 is just too steep when there are so may good Strats out there for half the price or less. The hunt continues.

[Celery Man 20886]

I'd seen the video of Joni Mitchell singing and honestly at first thought someone had shopped a parker fly into the photo when I saw this

btw speaking of lesser known guitars that are kinda badass. bogey you should get one

here are some people from the internet demonstrating and discussing them

 

[Chad Fuck 17566]

So the Rocky Strat up thread caught my eye. Went to ponder buying one. They’re all sold out and now the price is double on Reverb.

I guess this is just another reason to await the pending death wave of Boomers.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11810]

On 7/28/2022 at 11:54 AM, jimmyjazz said:

I definitely want piano touch.  I wouldn't have to do 73 keys, but in my world I just don't get out to either the bottom or top octave.  The feel would be priority #1 -- my S80 is "OK", but a little on the light side and "plasticky" feeling.  It's also really heavy.

You need this.  I will sell it to you.  You can actually stick a 3.5 floppy in it. 

Edited July 31, 2022 by Judge Roybeanbag

[DougO 5239]

I came fairly close to buying a Fly at one time, on consignment at Guitar Center in Round Rock. I guess it was one of the cheaper ones, not that expensive, but it really played nice. I just couldn't quite see myself playing one and I think I had bought a couple of guitars not long  before that.

Edited July 31, 2022 by DougO

[G650 14107]

That guitar is so ugly it would make Stevie Wonder flinch

[Bogeywon 2518]

When I worked at GC detroit we had a Parker fly in. Brand new it was 2001-2002. We never sold it and it sat on the wall and was on Clearance for a year. Sat there like 3 years after I quit. Those things were hot garbage 

Edited July 31, 2022 by Bogeywon

[Celery Man 20886]

Did they actually suck or was it just that nobody was looking for one? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in the flesh, but they always struck me as interesting. Certainly out of the super strat makers one of the brands actually introducing something new.

[Bogeywon 2518]

15 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Did they actually suck or was it just that nobody was looking for one? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in the flesh, but they always struck me as interesting. Certainly out of the super strat makers one of the brands actually introducing something new.

I sold 2 of them. They were like if a line 6 pod made a guitar of guitar tones. It had like a weird acoustic pickup in it and shit. It was just really ahead of its time and random. Or maybe it would have smashed in the 80s because from what I remember it was a very digital tone. It almost like if you ran it through a analog system (pedals a tube amp) and not a solid state something or rack mounted amp it would sound just fucking random aa shit. A weird kid who would only write like tool riffs in my HS Jim who also was a legend cause his dad and him built there house from ground up and he had a legit studio in his basement. Annnnnnnnnyway long and short weird ass Jim and his dad built a Parker fly and it was also just as weird as the real one and all he played was tool type originals that were like 35 mins long with no singer because who could sing to that. Csb 

[AnotherUTFan 9681]

I got to spend a couple hours listening to Elvin Bishop play his 1959 ES-345 last night. It sounded incredible and convinced me not to sell my 335. It was on the chopping block because its not the sound I'm currently after, so it spends all its time inside the case. Elvin reminded me that I'll get back to the blues at some point. When I do its a great blues guitar.

[G650 14107]

He ain't good looking but he sure can play

[Judge Roybeanbag 11810]

3 hours ago, AnotherUTFan said:

I got to spend a couple hours listening to Elvin Bishop play his 1959 ES-345 last night. It sounded incredible and convinced me not to sell my 335. It was on the chopping block because its not the sound I'm currently after, so it spends all its time inside the case. Elvin reminded me that I'll get back to the blues at some point. When I do its a great blues guitar.

God help me that looks like Troy Aikmen on guitar and Jerry Jones on the mouth organ.  

[Goredho 17349]

Anyone have experience with Synergy amps/preamps/modules?  My amp space is really limited with a 12x16 shed office and a desire for keyboards and a small electric drum kit.  It seems like it would be a good way to have a single amp/cab/combo that covers a lot of ground given my space limitations.  Basically you buy real-valve preamp modules that are built by and/or with the blessing of many boutique amp manufacturers (soldano, friedman, diezel, engl, etc..).  These modules have two channels each and can be swapped in/out as you like.  The chassis is plugged into the fx return of your existing amp and so you are using the power amp of your existing amp to drive the tone from these interchangeable preamps.

They have 30 watt and 50 watt heads for the system, too.

[tbone_ 14025]

Not familiar but that sounds cool. How is that different than a really good pedal though?

[Goredho 17349]

1 hour ago, tbone_ said:

Not familiar but that sounds cool. How is that different than a really good pedal though?

Well, this takes your amp with a preamp section and a power amp section, removes its existing preamp section, and replaces it with the preamp section of another amp.  An overdrive pedal at the front would color the sound and add gain/distortion, but its still flowing through your amp's static preamp and power amp.  A preamp pedal produced by a manufacturer to give the preamp section of one of its amps could likely do the same thing if plugged into the FX return of your amp.  There is a very long and involved thread on thegearpage.com about the synergy system, and they have posts from people who A/B tested preamp pedals vs the synergy module counterpart vs the real head and they say things like, "Pedal gets me 80% there, synergy module gets me 95% there" when compared to the real amp.  Most people there seem to feel the power-amp section colors tone minimally, and that you are getting very close to the targeted amp with these preamp modules into whatever power amp you run it into.

The SYN1 chassis is $400 and each module is about $400 ($300 each used on reverb).  So after the initial investment in the chassis, I could change my Friedman Dirty Shirley to be a close approximation of Soldano SLO, or a Dumble Overdrive Special, or a fender Tweed Deluxe, or whatever modules exist for about $400 per.  Compare that to the cost of the real amp, where a SLO-30 would be $3000 or more. 

One question I have is what happens when a preamp tube blows in one of these modules, can anyone capable of replacing the tube in a regular amp do it in one of the synergy modules?
 

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Goredho

[AnotherUTFan 9681]

Its an exciting Monday, The Koffs play our 1st show together Monday. I think this is the best music project I've ever been a part of and people are going to be blown away. 13 original songs, each under 2 minutes and most are bangers. Im stoked.

I bought this versatile little pedal to make my bass sound fatter. Im only using the compressor and a little octave, but its got a pre-amp and fuzz if i ever need to DI into a PA. Not a bad device for under $100 bucks.

And we got merch!

[Goredho 17349]

1 minute ago, AnotherUTFan said:

Its an exciting Monday, The Koffs play our 1st show together Monday. I think this is the best music project I've ever been a part of and people are going to be blown away. 13 original songs, each under 2 minutes and most are bangers. Im stoked.

I bought this versatile little pedal to make my bass sound fatter. Im only using the compressor and a little octave, but its got a pre-amp and fuzz if i ever need to DI into a PA. Not a bad device for under $100 bucks.

And we got merch!

Kick ass, have fun, and post more artifacts of the show

[hullabelew 3705]

Any experience with Adorama purchases? They have a great deal on an open box Gretsch. It is calling me.

"Used Gretsch Electromatic G5420T Electric Guitar - Aspen Green SKU#1419725 2506011553" https://www.adorama.com/us1419725.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=Cj0KCQjw852XBhC6ARIsAJsFPN2Rz-XP03g8HfFYc2UNY3xmBjprOnUckG650Fk2kRWuz4wIpRtN3BQaAighEALw_wcB&gclid=Cj0KCQjw852XBhC6ARIsAJsFPN2Rz-XP03g8HfFYc2UNY3xmBjprOnUckG650Fk2kRWuz4wIpRtN3BQaAighEALw_wcB&utm_source=adl-gbase-p

[Deej 76568]

[Bogeywon 2518]

7 minutes ago, Deej said:

[AnotherUTFan 9681]

Kick ass, have fun, and post more artifacts of the show

I meant we play Friday. Still.

Any experience with Adorama purchases? They have a great deal on an open box Gretsch. It is calling me.

"Used Gretsch Electromatic G5420T Electric Guitar - Aspen Green SKU#1419725 2506011553" https://www.adorama.com/us1419725.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=Cj0KCQjw852XBhC6ARIsAJsFPN2Rz-XP03g8HfFYc2UNY3xmBjprOnUckG650Fk2kRWuz4wIpRtN3BQaAighEALw_wcB&gclid=Cj0KCQjw852XBhC6ARIsAJsFPN2Rz-XP03g8HfFYc2UNY3xmBjprOnUckG650Fk2kRWuz4wIpRtN3BQaAighEALw_wcB&utm_source=adl-gbase-p

Yes, I've bought two guitars from them. They've been great to work with. One time I had to call because the item's (Gretsch DuoJet) price ent up once in my cart. They found the price I had seen

[Deej 76568]

SRV playing a Tele. 

 

[G650 14107]

2 hours ago, AnotherUTFan said:

Its an exciting Monday, The Koffs play our 1st show together Monday. I think this is the best music project I've ever been a part of and people are going to be blown away. 13 original songs, each under 2 minutes and most are bangers. Im stoked.

I bought this versatile little pedal to make my bass sound fatter. Im only using the compressor and a little octave, but its got a pre-amp and fuzz if i ever need to DI into a PA. Not a bad device for under $100 bucks.

And we got merch!

How do we get some merch

[Butch Had Not 2940]

This was weird. 

https://www.sweetwater.com/used/listings/44386-used-tradition-tradition-jerry-reid-telecaster-with-tremking-tremolo-upgrades-seymour-duncan-p-rail

 

[jimmyjazz 45560]

2 hours ago, hullabelew said:

Any experience with Adorama purchases? 

2 for 2 here.  No guarantee you won't have problems, but I haven't had any.

[AnotherUTFan 9681]

How do we get some merch

PM me. We only have t-shirts and stickers at this point, but if you put a sticker on a coffee mug we have coffee mugs too!

[jimmyjazz 45560]

46 minutes ago, Deej said:

SRV playing a Tele. 

. . . and that clip as much as any explains why I am a massive SRV fan and why I mostly just admire Jimmie.  

[Deej 76568]

If I put a sticker on my car, you have cars, too. 

[DougO 5239]

I'm holding out for the  Koff drops. Cold and flu season is coming.

[Goredho 17349]

The band will really have arrived when a groupie gets a Koffs logo for a tramp stamp.

[Chad Fuck 17566]

17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and that clip as much as any explains why I am a massive SRV fan and why I mostly just admire Jimmie.  

Jimmie plays the hell outta the guitar.  Stevie flat out attacks it.