The Guitar Pron Thread

[Deej 77884]

6 hours ago, G650 said:

Yeah, not going to lie, listening to it next to the brown Deluxe is making it sound worse by comparison.

[Napoleon 8853]

15 hours ago, Deej said:

 

I love Mike Campbell and have mentioned before that watching him when Tom & The Heartbreakers 💔 ‍ play Starplex in ‘91 was the first (only?) time I have left a concert and wanted to learn to play the guitar, but…

Watching this video and hearing:

1) “Songs have guitars in them“

He meant to say “Guitars have songs in them.”

2) His explanation of the “Broadcaster” name switch to “Telecaster”.

3) His stating that only 600 to 800 of a guitar was made (or still exist) only to immediately be corrected by the Gibson guy who mumbled “1,500”.

4) Some stories were partially repeated before he remembered that he had mentioned it already*.
*This could be due to a couple of days of filming edited down to 25 minutes of video.

5) His not having a clue what many of his guitars even are.

6) About 1/4 of his guitars were obtained for about $100 )to $200…

I started wondering…

”How lucid is Mike Campbell these days? How many of these stories are accurate?”

Again, I’m a fan and he rocks, but he doesn’t seem to be all there anymore. Which is understandable.

Edited February 2, 2023 by Napoleon

[dcbc 14645]

1 hour ago, Napoleon said:

I love Mike Campbell and have mentioned before that watching him when Tom & The Heartbreakers 💔 ‍ play Starplex in ‘91 was the first (only?) time I have left a concert and wanted to learn to play the guitar, but…

Watching this video and hearing:

1) “Songs have guitars in them“

He meant to say “Guitars have songs in them.”

2) His explanation of the “Broadcaster” name switch to “Telecaster”.

3) His stating that only 600 to 800 of a guitar was made (or still exist) only to immediately be corrected by the Gibson guy who mumbled “1,500”.

4) Some stories were partially repeated before he remembered that he had mentioned it already*.
*This could be due to a couple of days of filming edited down to 25 minutes of video.

5) His not having a clue what many of his guitars even are.

6) About 1/4 of his guitars were obtained for about $100 )to $200…

I started wondering…

”How lucid is Mike Campbell these days? How many of these stories are accurate?”

Again, I’m a fan and he rocks, but he doesn’t seem to be all there anymore. Which is understandable.

I've watched a lot of videos of him explaining how the songs are played, etc.  He's pretty lucid, if not a bit high.  I think what we're seeing here is someone who appreciates his guitar collection, but spends more time playing them than thinking about the details of the history. 

 

I noticed some of the things you mentioned too though. 

[tigol 2491]

11 hours ago, Napoleon said:

I love Mike Campbell and have mentioned before that watching him when Tom & The Heartbreakers 💔 ‍ play Starplex in ‘91 was the first (only?) time I have left a concert and wanted to learn to play the guitar, but…

Watching this video and hearing:

1) “Songs have guitars in them“

He meant to say “Guitars have songs in them.”

2) His explanation of the “Broadcaster” name switch to “Telecaster”.

3) His stating that only 600 to 800 of a guitar was made (or still exist) only to immediately be corrected by the Gibson guy who mumbled “1,500”.

4) Some stories were partially repeated before he remembered that he had mentioned it already*.
*This could be due to a couple of days of filming edited down to 25 minutes of video.

5) His not having a clue what many of his guitars even are.

6) About 1/4 of his guitars were obtained for about $100 )to $200…

I started wondering…

”How lucid is Mike Campbell these days? How many of these stories are accurate?”

Again, I’m a fan and he rocks, but he doesn’t seem to be all there anymore. Which is understandable.

I think it's just really bad editing.  If you watch the Slash version, similar re-tellings occur.  They need to cut.

[G650 14452]

If anyone is interested, the Ernie Ball Pursuit of Tone with Mike Ness is pretty strong.

[Deej 77884]

I'm assuming FedEx won't be delivering my new guitar today.

[G650 14452]

On 2/1/2023 at 11:44 AM, G650 said:

 

I've actually never played the Strat Plus through it. I'm just spitballing it may be better with the pickups I have in it.

 

From channel to channel has not been a huge change I've found. Somewhat better on Normal, but it's mostly just the character of the distortion is not super pleasing. My next move is swapping out the V1 tube. I put NOS 5881s in it the other day but that was almost zero effect. If pre tubes don't do much I'm going to start tinkering with the cap values on the normal channel.

The controls are a bit different on the 6G4A, it's three generations removed from the 5F4 (5G4, 6G4 in between).

 

Well, this saga has taken another twist. I was exchanging emails with CJ at Weber (excellent dude btw), and he ask if I ran it through an extension cabinet. So I plugged it into the 4 x 12 I use for my BF Bassman. Well, now it sounds fucking amazing and I'm looking sideways at the Deluxe. I'm honestly a little stumped. I have blown a speaker before, eons ago, but speakers are so good that it doesn't happen much anymore thankfully, but it doesn't sound like that to me. Just very ragged when overdriving. But through the cabinet that shit was pure butter.

[Buzzrock 15150]

Some might say this is all you need:

I mean they’d be wrong, but they might say it. 

[Deej 77884]

New guitar is in Ardmore, Oklahoma. 

 

Damn it. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deej 77884]

6 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

Some might say this is all you need:

I mean they’d be wrong, but they might say it. 

If those were Telecasters, they'd be right. 

[noharleyyet 2865]

37 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

Some might say this is all you need:

I mean they’d be wrong, but they might say it. 

if you mean the beautiful kids, you're goddam right. 

[Buzzrock 15150]

I joke that left will be my first album cover

Haven’t lusted for a pedal in awhile but this sounds fun:

[Napoleon 8853]

6 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

Some might say this is all you need:

I mean they’d be wrong, but they might say it. 

 

 

[Celery Man 21106]

15 hours ago, Deej said:

New guitar is in Ardmore, Oklahoma. 

 

Damn it. 

 

ah dude and you'll want to let it sit in the box for a good 12 hours while it acclimates to the oxygen rich environment with normal atmospheric pressure

[Chad Fuck 18166]

9 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

ah dude and you'll want to let it sit in the box for a good 12 hours while it acclimates to the oxygen rich environment with normal atmospheric pressure

And temps.  I saw a guy pull his guitar off a bus that had been driving through the cold and just whip it out and opened it up in a warm concert hall.  The finish immediately went all cloudy.  I don't know if that was something unique to that guitar's finish, or what.  But I know it permanently fucked up the finish.  

[Celery Man 21106]

12 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

I joke that left will be my first album cover

Haven’t lusted for a pedal in awhile but this sounds fun:
 

i've already got a flint and an el capistan. i should just put together a strymon board

[Goredho 17663]

15 hours ago, Deej said:

New guitar is in Ardmore, Oklahoma. 

 

Damn it. 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm in the same boat.  Austin Vintage Guitars gave UPS a package for me on Monday, it's still in limbo and doesn't look like its moved from Austin.

Hope all you fuckers in ATX are ok & weathering the storm playing your acoustics.

[Deej 77884]

It's still in Oklahoma, and now FedEx says they have no estimate for when it will be delivered. 

[Goredho 17663]

1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

ah dude and you'll want to let it sit in the box for a good 12 hours while it acclimates to the oxygen rich environment with normal atmospheric pressure

 

52 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

And temps.  I saw a guy pull his guitar off a bus that had been driving through the cold and just whip it out and opened it up in a warm concert hall.  The finish immediately went all cloudy.  I don't know if that was something unique to that guitar's finish, or what.  But I know it permanently fucked up the finish.  

My brother had a 335 he bought sit in some UPS distribution warehouse in Texas for ~week during the last coldpocalypse Austin had.  When he finally got it, he let it sit for 24 hours before opening the box and there were no issues.  I've never done that before, but I probably will this time around just to err on the safe side.

[noharleyyet 2865]

2 minutes ago, Goredho said:

 

My brother had a 335 he bought sit in some UPS distribution warehouse in Texas for ~week during the last coldpocalypse Austin had.  When he finally got it, he let it sit for 24 hours before opening the box and there were no issues.  I've never done that before, but I probably will this time around just to err on the safe side.

That's like watching porn in boxing gloves...

[Chad Fuck 18166]

7 minutes ago, noharleyyet said:

That's like watching porn in boxing gloves...

Thanks for the tip. 

[Deej 77884]

I think he's priced too high, but an AO 60's Tele, double-bound in Lake Placid Blue.

Mmmmmm...

https://austin.craigslist.org/msg/d/new-braunfels-fender-telecaster-60s/7585593738.html

[Goredho 17663]

Couldn’t resist the 1968 Gibson LG-1 that showed up on FB marketplace.  I don’t know if I’ll keep it or list on reverb to make a couple bucks towards a different small acoustic.  It’s got the narrow 1 5/8” nut I don’t care for.  Fingers all scrunched up trying to make a cowboy chord.  But it’s beautiful, in good shape, sounds great and plays better than 5 LG-1s I tried out at Austin Vintage Guitars last week.  Love the checking on this thing.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Goredho

[BoomMF 1402]

19 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

Haven’t lusted for a pedal in awhile but this sounds fun:
 

I noticed this too about my pedal lust, recently. It's been awhile since a new pedal caught my attention, but Strymon has a track record that doesn't have any misses so they're easy to lust after. And now I'm about 4 vids in...

Did Kemper, Positive Grid, et al, create this general apathy towards pedaldom?

Edited February 3, 2023 by BoomMF

[dcbc 14645]

2 hours ago, Goredho said:

Couldn’t resist the 1968 Gibson LG-1 that showed up on FB marketplace.  I don’t know if I’ll keep it or list on reverb to make a couple bucks towards a different small acoustic.  It’s got the narrow 1 5/8” nut I don’t care for.  Fingers all scrunched up trying to make a cowboy chord.  But it’s beautiful, in good shape, sounds great and plays better than 5 LG-1s I tried out at Austin Vintage Guitars last week.  Love the checking on this thing.

Wow, that looks to be in great shape.  I have a 1962 LG-0.  I'm assuming this is one louder, but what's the difference in the LG-x guitars?

 

Nevermind, I googled it.  Although there is some confusion on what kind of top the LG-1 has depending on who you ask.  Looks like they're basically the same guitar, but for the finish on the LG-1.  Either that, or it's a spruce top versus mahogony on the LG-0.

Edited February 3, 2023 by dcbc

[Deej 77884]

It's one louder.

[Goredho 17663]

9 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Wow, that looks to be in great shape.  I have a 1962 LG-0.  I'm assuming this is one louder, but what's the difference in the LG-x guitars?

 

Nevermind, I googled it.  Although there is some confusion on what kind of top the LG-1 has depending on who you ask.  Looks like they're basically the same guitar, but for the finish on the LG-1.  Either that, or it's a spruce top versus mahogony on the LG-0.

I don't really have any insight on LG-1 vs LG-0.  I know the LG-1 has ladder bracing and LG-2 have X bracing with the latter having a better reputation and LG-2s selling for more on average as a result.  It is in really good shape, but it does have one crack in the top that was repaired.  I can't tell that it affects anything other than cosmetics, but it will knock off a little value.  Neck and feel are really good, sound is good, etc... but I won't be happy with it long term for my personal use with that skinny nut width.  I told the seller I was going to pass for that reason and they offered me a reseller friendly price, so here we are.

[dcbc 14645]

2 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I don't really have any insight on LG-1 vs LG-0.  I know the LG-1 has ladder bracing and LG-2 have X bracing with the latter having a better reputation and LG-2s selling for more on average as a result.  It is in really good shape, but it does have one crack in the top that was repaired.  I can't tell that it affects anything other than cosmetics, but it will knock off a little value.  Neck and feel are really good, sound is good, etc... but I won't be happy with it long term for my personal use with that skinny nut width.  I told the seller I was going to pass for that reason and they offered me a reseller friendly price, so here we are.

LG-0 has ladder bracing as well.  Mine is super checked and I leave the strings loose when I'm not using it because there's some pull on the bridge.  I've got the original chip board case though.  My uncle gave it to me, and it's the guitar I learned on in the late 80s.  So I keep it around for nostalgia's sake. 

[Goredho 17663]

4 minutes ago, dcbc said:

LG-0 has ladder bracing as well.  Mine is super checked and I leave the strings loose when I'm not using it because there's some pull on the bridge.  I've got the original chip board case though.  My uncle gave it to me, and it's the guitar I learned on in the late 80s.  So I keep it around for nostalgia's sake. 

That's really cool, would love to see some pics.

[dcbc 14645]

1 hour ago, Goredho said:

That's really cool, would love to see some pics.

It doesn't get out much and mostly lives in a locked closet with the guns I inherited.  I'll see if I can remedy that this weekend.

[dcbc 14645]

Okay, I have a question for the Surly Guitar Sleuths.  I have an old ES335.  I bought it from Guitar Resurrection in 1996.  It was billed as a 1969, and I took them at their word.  It was perfect and still mostly is perfect apart from the time I was pulling it over my shoulder and put the headstock into the ceiling fan.  Just a chip, which I now claim with stupid pride. 

 

Anyway, by the serial number (9009xx), it's a 1970, but there are some indications that it might be earlier.  First, it has the orange sticker in the bass side cutout/f-hole.  Those stopped around 1969.  There's no "Made in the USA" stamped into the back of the headstock under the matching stamped serial number, something that began in 1970.  More interestingly, the "Gibson" logo on the headstock has an undotted "i," and the  "b" and "o" are open, which is largely a 1969 feature.  There is a tiny volute in the neck, and I can't tell if it's a 3-piece neck because of the walnut finish.  I haven't looked at the pickups, but I suspect they are Patent Number-Black Sticker.  No idea if it has the shorter tenon.  Lastly, I haven't snaked anything in there to see if I can see date codes on the pots, but that would be somewhat helpful.

 

It's a great guitar.  And it's not going anywhere.  So what year it is doesn't really matter apart from my curiosity.  Probably what's often referred to as a 1969/70.  But until I have anything definite, I'm calling it a 1970 for now.

 

Thoughts?

 

Edited February 4, 2023 by dcbc

[G650 14452]

14 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Okay, I have a question for the Surly Guitar Sleuths.  I have an old ES335.  I bought it from Guitar Resurrection in 1996.  It was billed as a 1969, and I took them at their word.  It was perfect and still mostly is perfect apart from the time I was pulling it over my shoulder and put the headstock into the ceiling fan.  Just a chip, which I now claim with stupid pride. 

 

Anyway, by the serial number (9009xx), it's a 1970, but there are some indications that it might be earlier.  First, it has the orange sticker in the bass side cutout/f-hole.  Those stopped around 1969.  There's no "Made in the USA" stamped into the back of the headstock under the matching stamped serial number, something that began in 1970.  More interestingly, the "Gibson" logo on the headstock has an undotted "i," and the  "b" and "o" are open, which is largely a 1969 feature.  There is a tiny volute in the neck, and I can't tell if it's a 3-piece neck because of the walnut finish.  I haven't looked at the pickups, but I suspect they are Patent Number-Black Sticker.  No idea if it has the shorter tenon.  Lastly, I haven't snaked anything in there to see if I can see date codes on the pots, but that would be somewhat helpful.

 

It's a great guitar.  And it's not going anywhere.  So what year it is doesn't really matter apart from my curiosity.  Probably what's often referred to as a 1969/70.  But until I have anything definite, I'm calling it a 1970 for now.

 

Thoughts?

 

I am not up on 335s enough to know, but the poster on TGP Jayyj is a late 60s early 70s 335 fanatic and I guarantee he would know.

[Napoleon 8853]

5 hours ago, Deej said:

I think he's priced too high, but an AO 60's Tele, double-bound in Lake Placid Blue.

Mmmmmm...

https://austin.craigslist.org/msg/d/new-braunfels-fender-telecaster-60s/7585593738.html

Looking for some of that Tech Money to come rain down.

It just takes one to get bitten by the bug and have a deposit added to his account. 
 

✊

[AnotherUTFan 10008]

It's a beauty whatever the year.

[Paul Wesley 3313]

11 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

And temps.  I saw a guy pull his guitar off a bus that had been driving through the cold and just whip it out and opened it up in a warm concert hall.  The finish immediately went all cloudy. 

When I was like 14, I’d play acoustic guitar for the singing portion of the Sunday School service.   And so sometimes after church I’d have my guitar with me when dad took us for lunch at Luby’s (full gospel services always ran long, and we arrived long after those restrained and punctual Methodists).  In the winter, I didn’t want to leave my guitar in a freezing cold car, so I was the kid balancing a tray while holding a guitar in one hand.  
 

It’s a long way to the top…

[dcbc 14645]

2 hours ago, G650 said:

I am not up on 335s enough to know, but the poster on TGP Jayyj is a late 60s early 70s 335 fanatic and I guarantee he would know.

I asked over there in response to a slightly old post.  We'll see what it yields.

[dcbc 14645]

1 hour ago, AnotherUTFan said:

It's a beauty whatever the year.

I agree.  It's a keeper no matter what.  I just want to know for shits and grins.  Such an even-playing guitar.  Love it!

 

I love the story behind guitars.  I don't need a golden era guitar, despite how incredibly awesome some of them are.  I just want something I've bonded with and can keep for a lifetime.  That one's mine.  I love the story and relationship with the instrument.  The understanding.

Edited February 4, 2023 by dcbc

[Napoleon 8853]

6 hours ago, dcbc said:

Okay, I have a question for the Surly Guitar Sleuths.  I have an old ES335.  I bought it from Guitar Resurrection in 1996.  It was billed as a 1969, and I took them at their word.  It was perfect and still mostly is perfect apart from the time I was pulling it over my shoulder and put the headstock into the ceiling fan.  Just a chip, which I now claim with stupid pride. 

Anyway, by the serial number (9009xx), it's a 1970, but there are some indications that it might be earlier.  First, it has the orange sticker in the bass side cutout/f-hole.  Those stopped around 1969.  There's no "Made in the USA" stamped into the back of the headstock under the matching stamped serial number, something that began in 1970.  More interestingly, the "Gibson" logo on the headstock has an undotted "i," and the  "b" and "o" are open, which is largely a 1969 feature.  There is a tiny volute in the neck, and I can't tell if it's a 3-piece neck because of the walnut finish.  I haven't looked at the pickups, but I suspect they are Patent Number-Black Sticker.  No idea if it has the shorter tenon.  Lastly, I haven't snaked anything in there to see if I can see date codes on the pots, but that would be somewhat helpful.

It's a great guitar.  And it's not going anywhere.  So what year it is doesn't really matter apart from my curiosity.  Probably what's often referred to as a 1969/70.  But until I have anything definite, I'm calling it a 1970 for now.

Thoughts?

Thoughts?

.

It’s a Chibson.

[DougO 5269]

14 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

Thoughts?

.

It’s a Chibson.

It WAS a Chibson...until he made it a chip-son.

[Goredho 17663]

This little LG-1 is growing on me.  It’s got this great boxy, wooden tone that’s perfect for fingerpicked blues, folk & Americana.  It’s going to always suck for me when making the cowboy chord shapes at the nut, but I have other acoustics for that.  I may wind up keeping this awhile.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Goredho

[locodos 5593]

13 hours ago, dcbc said:

It doesn't get out much and mostly lives in a locked closet with the guns I inherited.  I'll see if I can remedy that this weekend.

At least it's not out in an icy cold truck stuck in a snow pocalypse

[Goredho 17663]

Isn’t it technically a limb-pocalypse this time around?

[Deej 77884]

1 hour ago, locodos said:

At least it's not out in an icy cold truck stuck in a snow pocalypse

At least mine will have acclimated to warmer temps by the time it finally shows up.

[Goredho 17663]

My shipment from AVG just surfaced with a ping from Vernon, TX?  Looking like UPS said fuck it, we’ll pay a hitch hiker to deliver this to CO.

Also, I’m not sure what this is or how it works for the rest of the world, but I’m pretty sure JoeB will be getting a new ‘59 burst out of the bargain.

 

 

[G650 14452]

I've always resisted the Joe B hate, but damn he makes it hard.

[Goredho 17663]

2 minutes ago, G650 said:

I've always resisted the Joe B hate, but damn he makes it hard.

Same.  He can play but his real talent is as a guitarpreneur.

[Deej 77884]

I wish Joe would become a PRS man and release all his other guitars back into the wild.

[Goredho 17663]

1 minute ago, Deej said:

I wish Joe would become a PRS man and release all his other guitars back into the wild.

Joe’s guitars leaving Nerdville.

 

[G650 14452]

6 minutes ago, Deej said:

I wish Joe would become a PRS man and release all his other guitars back into the wild.

From your lips to gods ears

[G650 14452]

I'm not going to lie though, I have day dreams that once I finish restoration on the 58 he plays it and offers me 350 grand for it.