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  On 4/26/2019 at 11:40 PM, texifornia said:

Yeah Grinch might be a mediocre recruiter, but the dude can coach. The question is whether the way Riley structures his program will allow him to work.

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I don’t know man, it’s really tough to know what was his work. The sooner db’s played like shit but we’re highly ranked. We should know right away how good a coach he is. 

 

We’re going to all be watching TO, to me this is a big year for Orlando. I expect improvement to an elite defense this year. 

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  On 4/27/2019 at 4:07 AM, Goodman said:

We’re going to all be watching TO, to me this is a big year for Orlando. I expect improvement to an elite defense this year. 

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I’d take “slightly better” this year....he did lose something like 9 starters. Yes, most of the losses will be replaced by more physically talented players, but they will be inexperienced. I expect the jump to elite to happen in 2020 or maybe even 2021 depending on what happens with LB & DL recruiting. 

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  On 4/27/2019 at 12:08 PM, EZ$ said:

....and just a “slightly better” defense means we win 10-11 games and the B12. 

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If experience is the only reason they won’t be elite to start the season then I expect them to be elite come December 2019.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 12:27 PM, USMCHorn said:

If experience is the only reason they won’t be elite to start the season then I expect them to be elite come December 2019.

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How bout having almost no elite personnel at LB or DL? I don’t buy that Roach will be elite and Coburn may come on but we don’t know yet. Graham looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. We have basically nothing at LB. our best ILB hasn’t really logged many game time snaps at ILB and there’s very little behind him. Ossai has a chance to be really, really good and that’s about it. Neither of those position groups are anywhere near elite.  experience is a big part of it, but it’s not the only part.

If one side of the ball will be elite in 2019, it’s going to have to be the offense.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 2:10 PM, Burt Macklin said:

How bout having almost no elite personnel at LB or DL? I don’t buy that Roach will be elite and Coburn may come on but we don’t know yet. Graham looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. We have basically nothing at LB. our best ILB hasn’t really logged many game time snaps at ILB and there’s very little behind him. Ossai has a chance to be really, really good and that’s about it. Neither of those position groups are anywhere near elite.  experience is a big part of it, but it’s not the only part.

If one side of the ball will be elite in 2019, it’s going to have to be the offense.

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Everything you said is basically a knock on their experience and depth, both of which can be worked on throughout the season by giving the players more reps. The offense should be elite day 1.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 2:21 PM, USMCHorn said:

Everything you said is basically a knock on their experience and depth, both of which can be worked on throughout the season by giving the players more reps. The offense should be elite day 1.

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Honestly, with the guys we have, I don't think the LBs can be elite. We're gunning for above-average there. The DL has a chance if guys play to their full potential in a way they haven't yet.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 2:31 PM, texifornia said:

Honestly, with the guys we have, I don't think the LBs can be elite. We're gunning for above-average there. The DL has a chance if guys play to their full potential in a way they haven't yet.

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I agree. But I think the defense as a whole can be elite still come December. LB play will be above average, but at the end of the day in this conference we just need elite NB play, which Texas will have.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 2:31 PM, texifornia said:

Honestly, with the guys we have, I don't think the LBs can be elite. We're gunning for above-average there. The DL has a chance if guys play to their full potential in a way they haven't yet.

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Ossai will be very good. Shark and Caleb Johnson have a chance and I'm expecting great things out of Overshown.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 2:31 PM, texifornia said:

Honestly, with the guys we have, I don't think the LBs can be elite. We're gunning for above-average there. The DL has a chance if guys play to their full potential in a way they haven't yet.

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Shark and Ossai will make this an above average to good unit. McCullough was one of the breakout players of the spring, so I am not as concerned with LB as others. If we can find a solid third option we will be fine. Our DL is deep and should be above average. Just getting Hager off the field immediately makes us better. I think Roach and Omenihu is a wash. Graham should be much more consistent on the other side.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 3:26 PM, Mdhorn said:

Of all the sooner qbs of recent, who would you rather the Longhorns play? 

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Guess we'll find out this year. It's obvious Hurts doesn't have the arm talent of the other two, but Riley has shown he can coach. That said, fuck'em. 2-0.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 3:29 PM, Hank_Hill said:

Guess we'll find out this year. It's obvious Hurts doesn't have the arm talent of the other two, but Riley has shown he can coach. That said, fuck'em. 2-0.

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Coach has put his team in a position to beat Riley's offense 4 straight games. They've only won 2 but we were in position to beat the heisman winning, 1st pick of draft 4 straight times.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 3:39 PM, Goodman said:

Coach has put his team in a position to beat Riley's offense 4 straight games. They've only won 2 but we were in position to beat the heisman winning, 1st pick of draft 4 straight times.

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Moral victories are TexAgs' domain, not ours.

Lest we forgot, blOU's defense was what ultimately sealed our fate in the Big 12 title game. We were tied to start the fourth quarter and never scored another point. Hurts, Murray, Mayfield, it doesn't matter who their QB is when our own offense can't score,

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Our coaches have to reload and win with inexperienced guys if we ever want to be a power. OU has done and continues to do it and we have to get past them to matter on the national stage. There is no team in the Big 12 outside of OU that should have as potent an offense as we should have. We have more on-paper talent on D than anyone else. If we are losing games because all our other positions can't blow out our opponents to overcome a mediocre LB corp, then we are in for a long run of 'almost'.

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Mike Roach: Recruiting notes from the road

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  On 4/27/2019 at 3:44 PM, satyanash said:

Moral victories are TexAgs' domain, not ours.

Lest we forgot, blOU's defense was what ultimately sealed our fate in the Big 12 title game. We were tied to start the fourth quarter and never scored another point. Hurts, Murray, Mayfield, it doesn't matter who their QB is when our own offense can't score,

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GTFO. No one is accepting moral victories. This staff is .500 vs ou. They have put us in position and beat them. 

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  On 4/27/2019 at 4:01 PM, satyanash said:

Mike Roach: Recruiting notes from the road

 

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No way Feaster is behind Whittington in the slim chance that he comes here. In fact it would probably be 1A) Ingram and 1B) Feaster (similar to Watson and Ingram split).

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  On 4/27/2019 at 4:37 PM, UDontKnow said:

No way Feaster is behind Whittington in the slim chance that he comes here. In fact it would probably be 1A) Ingram and 1B) Feaster (similar to Watson and Ingram split).

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This. Plus both Ingram and Whittington have a history of missing games because of injuries. Feaster would start IMO.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 4:29 PM, Goodman said:

GTFO. No one is accepting moral victories. This staff is .500 vs ou. They have put us in position and beat them. 

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Goddamned right. We're not where we want to be yet, but OU is hardly some juggernaut standing in our way. Herman has already beaten them a couple of times, and is quite likely to do so even more regularly as he gets his own talent into the pipeline. They're the ones who should be worried, not Texas.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 3:44 PM, satyanash said:

Moral victories are TexAgs' domain, not ours.

Lest we forgot, blOU's defense was what ultimately sealed our fate in the Big 12 title game. We were tied to start the fourth quarter and never scored another point. Hurts, Murray, Mayfield, it doesn't matter who their QB is when our own offense can't score,

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Hot fucking take.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 8:56 PM, Neonmoon said:

Next year’s draft isn’t going to be magically better. Strong didn’t recruit well enough or win enough to have anyone drafted that high. 

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Yep. It’ll be slim pickings again.

Draft possibilities: Collin Johnson, Roach, Brandon Jones, Parker Braun, Cosmi (if he leaves early). 

Maaaaybe: shackleford, McCulloch

And that’s pretty much it. Will be lucky if we have a single guy taken in the first three rounds. 

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  On 4/27/2019 at 9:20 PM, Burt Macklin said:

Yep. It’ll be slim pickings again.

Draft possibilities: Collin Johnson, Roach, Brandon Jones, Parker Braun, Cosmi (if he leaves early). 

Maaaaybe: shackleford, McCulloch

And that’s pretty much it. Will be lucky if we have a single guy taken in the first three rounds. 

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Maybe Dev. Duv.  He'll probably test well at the combine.

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Interested to see if that one guy still thinks the draft won't matter to Ringo now that UGA has the 1st round Baker  vs. 7th round Boyd contrast to sell on top of the draft pitch they already had. 

The draft is a pitch our coaches are going to have to fight constantly. Hopefully with all the practice they'll get pretty good at countering it. The obvious spin is selling how successful the team was even without elite players, but that's only a start

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  On 4/27/2019 at 9:20 PM, Burt Macklin said:

Yep. It’ll be slim pickings again.

Draft possibilities: Collin Johnson, Roach, Brandon Jones, Parker Braun, Cosmi (if he leaves early). 

Maaaaybe: shackleford, McCulloch

And that’s pretty much it. Will be lucky if we have a single guy taken in the first three rounds. 

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We will lucky to have more than 1 or 2 people drafted. 

Collin Johnson and Brandon Jones but both will be very late rounds. WR just don’t have the value anymore, and Jones will need a big year. 

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  On 4/27/2019 at 9:23 PM, Elmer_Fudd said:

Maybe Dev. Duv.  He'll probably test well at the combine.

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forgot about him, but he only has like 560 career receiving yards. Unless she has a huge year, he won’t even be invited to he combine. 

  On 4/27/2019 at 9:27 PM, Hank_Hill said:

I mean, we've had back to back top 3 classes even in this "drought", y'all chill. Just win college games. 

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Most of us, besides Bruh man, aren’t worried about it. Just pointing out that the draft drought will last until our 2018 guys are eligible in the 2021 draft.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 9:27 PM, Bodacious Bevo said:

Interested to see if that one guy still thinks the draft won't matter to Ringo now that UGA has the 1st round Baker  vs. 7th round Boyd contrast to sell on top of the draft pitch they already had. 

The draft is a pitch our coaches are going to have to fight constantly. Hopefully with all the practice they'll get pretty good at countering it. The obvious spin is selling how successful the team was even without elite players, but that's only a start

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"We're still working through the players we didn't recruit. Houston had four kids drafted, and that's Houston." Done.

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Definitely won't help recruiting, but this year's draft showing is also partly because we had so many JRs go early last year. But if this continues for another year or two, it's gonna get hard to argue against negative pitches about the staff's "talent development"

Bright side is that if we can win a Sugar Bowl with only 2 late round draft picks, imagine what we do if/when we have elite NFL prospects on the team as upperclassmen. 

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  On 4/27/2019 at 9:31 PM, Tex-19 said:

Definitely won't help recruiting, but this year's draft showing is also partly because we had so many JRs go early last year. But if this continues for another year or two, it's gonna get hard to argue against negative pitches about the staff's "talent development"

Bright side is that if we can win a Sugar Bowl with only 2 late round draft picks, imagine what we do if/when we have elite NFL prospects on the team as upperclassmen. 

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Until/unless it’s the staff’s own guys that don’t get drafted high, recrutingwill be fine. We’re gonna have one more year of bad draft selections and then we’ll have plenty of high picks after that for the foreseeable future.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 9:33 PM, Burt Macklin said:

Until/unless it’s the staff’s own guys that don’t get drafted high, recrutingwill be fine. We’re gonna have one more year of bad draft selections and then we’ll have plenty of high picks after that for the foreseeable future.

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I get it, but rivals will still say Herman and co had 2 years to develop talented recruits (Strong's classes weren't ranked that low by the media) and didn't produce much. Not saying it's right, but some recruits may listen.

Agree that winning games fixes all this though and the 2018 class should produce some high picks 

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