Texas Recruiting Notes 2020

[Bodacious Bevo 3609]

53 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

And it's also not like we're out of it with any of them either. Just a few posts above me quotes Princely with Texas at #2 with two more visits planned. Collins is visiting Texas with Dorbah. I haven't heard much about Broughton's LSU visit, which may be a good thing. If the piggy stuff were true there'd be more smoke by now.

I'm not pumping sunshine, but let it play out before going full surly reactionary.

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The point is that we've gone from saying that all three were locks at various points during their recruitments to saying 'let's wait and see what happens, they're not gone yet' for our all of our top DL targets. Even if we manage to land 1 or 2 of them it's pretty clear that a certain position coach sucks at half of his job

[victory88 5676]

20 minutes ago, lemonandaturd said:

I just think that there are a lot of young men hungry for an offer, hungry for a chance that are being scouted.  Bama and SECx3 does not get all the studs.  See: Tyler Owens.  aggy made fun of us on this one until he blew up and they still downplay his upside compared to Slo'neal.  

Of the 3, I'm indifferent towards Princely.  Plenty of other guys with a similar skill set.  Broughton and Collins is a different story.  There's no one else on our board with their talent.  

[HtownHorn 14917]

12 minutes ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

The point is that we've gone from saying that all three were locks at various points during their recruitments to saying 'let's wait and see what happens, they're not gone yet' for our all of our top DL targets. Even if we manage to land 1 or 2 of them it's pretty clear that a certain position coach sucks at half of his job

Who said they were locks? Dumbass 9.95ers that don't really have a clue. Shit, Texas just got a 2021 kid to commit and none of them knew anything until Carrington tweeted out a 🤫

[thepop 4409]

Good lord. It’s  like a Satya family reunion in here.

[Pato del Muerto 52870]

2 minutes ago, thepop said:

Good lord. It’s  like a Satya family reunion in here.

Lots of group dancing

[Tex Pete 20948]

2 hours ago, Goodman said:

That he is not a culture fit.

His HS team is the most undisciplined team I have ever seen play. I doubt he’s a culture fit regardless of what he tweets. 

[LTtxfan 49405]

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

And it's also not like we're out of it with any of them either. Just a few posts above me quotes Princely with Texas at #2 with two more visits planned. Collins is visiting Texas with Dorbah. I haven't heard much about Broughton's LSU visit, which may be a good thing. If the piggy stuff were true there'd be more smoke by now.

I'm not pumping sunshine, but let it play out before going full surly reactionary.
 

 

But full Surly meltdowns are so much fun....

 

[Fud 9560]

2 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

The odds are much higher that Collins ends up at a school not named UT than UT at this point

Out of curiosity, what are your odds of Collins to Texas? 

[cafe society 2880]

1 hour ago, thepop said:

Good lord. It’s  like a Satya family reunion in here.

The tree of Satya bears only bitter fruit.

[Dbeasy 15230]

(@d1princely) Tweeted:
It’s the opposite rn tbh https://t.co/SjB4VBe4aQ https://twitter.com/d1princely/status/1138244328961249280?s=17
https://mobile.twitter.com/d1princely/status/1138244328961249280

Write him off

[ClubWhatever 12159]

I think Herman views the set of players who are cut out for his program as pretty small relative to some other programs who will take just about anybody.  Culture fit and all that.  It has an element of hubris.  So when guys go in other directions, he doesn't necessarily see it as an indictment of a particular recruiter but tends to see it as just the natural order of things playing out.  But three cycles make a trend so it should be obvious, even in his world, that certain positions are not pulling their weight.

[NoName 16614]

7 hours ago, campcrunk said:

The recruiting dead weight on this staff is absolutely infuriating. Giles, Mehringer, Warehime, and Drayton are massive governors on what should be an elite recruiting operation - and, because of the positions they handle, RB and DL in particular - on the ceiling of the program as a whole. For a guy who insists on single year deals for most of his staff, Herman doesn't seem to be demanding much at all from those four in terms of accountability.

look, i get what everyone is saying and how people hate on Mehringer...but he isn't on the same level of failure as the majority of the other recruiting failures on the staff. 

[SydneyCarton 48300]

Mehringer can fuck off and die, and we literally had to move meekins to IWR to this past year to placate some players, which is arguably responsible for one of the biggest resource inefficiencies on the staff (other than herman’s decision making). 

But at least he can fall ass backwards into recruits we can win with at his position. Considering their production versus their position and expectations, Drayton and Giles are so far below the recruiting performance they need to be at their positions its fucking absurd. Giles getting outworked by Arkansas for a kid who was all Texas, and lets not forget the nearby Texas legacy that was so blown away hes slowing things down and even his mom is fine with him making his own decision.  Even wareheim landed two plus prospects at his position last year, even if he cant make it rain elsewhere. Giles and Drayton struggle to make it sprinkle during Monsoon season. 

[Enchubben 5559]

Wasn’t Herman’s position that he wanted some continuity on staff? There has been a lot of coaching turnover and he didn’t want people questioning stability in the program.

If we have a standout year I could see this being the last for any deadweight staff. Personally I think Giles is a great coach so I’d like to see him stay and have someone else pick up slack on the DL recruiting.

[closetojumping 63101]

While I’m not arguing a rant and a dogpile on Oscar’s “Hustle Never Sleeps” thread isn’t merited, I do think the Umanmainlymanian recruitment bears further thought irrespective of the dipshit recruiting him. 

This guy has been looking for a reason to go elsewhere during the entirety of the cycle thus far. He talked up OU to people for a while. He’s now talking up ATM. In the process he’s searched for reasons as to why Texas is a backup pick in his backyard. With OU, Texas doesn’t win enough or put guys in the pros. The winning thing, fine, we’re coming up but yeah, OU has dominated the conference while we’ve been down. But a draft history over the last 11 years goes a long way of removing illusions for defensive players about OU putting defenders in the pros. 

So then you have ATM contending that he’s apparently going to be Bruce Smith in their defense and if he comes to Texas, he’s going to be turned into the defensive version of a buttplug inside so that all of the other defenders can get the glory. The counters to this argument are, you know, facts and film footage. However, sometimes that isn’t good enough. Then you have voices in the ear saying “maybe there’s a bunch of better options out east”. 

At what point, when you’re dealing with a middle of the road 4 star who might be a tweener and almost certainly won’t be an elite difference maker that you’ve busted your ass harder than anyone else to recruit, do you just tell the guy to fuck off and pursue better alternatives?  Probably after next weekend.

Then there’s the whole issue of having a choice to go to Texas in your backyard or picking to move to College Station willingly. I’ll never respect it, and guys that talk up ATM in recruiting when Texas is in power or moving there can pretty much just go fuck themselves in my book. I’m cheering for the closing of Blidi and/or Fillinger, or one of them and the continued pursuit of others that get discovered as well. The flip is that if dipshit turns around and commits to Texas, okay, I’ll take it gladly as a recruiting dork, but he’ll be high on my “first guy in the transfer portal” betting pool. 

[satyanash 14771]

8 hours ago, lemonandaturd said:

I am too lazy to look it up, but what were the star ratings for Brian Robison,  Kheeston Randall,  Frank Okam, and Derek Lokey. 

Rodrique Wright, Brian Orakpo, Jackson Jeffcoat, and Malcom Brown were the four D-linemen who achieved Consensus All-America status under Mack in the Rivals era.

5*, 4*, 5*, and 5* respectively. THAT's the talent Bama and Georgia now bring in on their D-lines, and what we need to be bringing in.

[satyanash 14771]

7 hours ago, victory88 said:

Of the 3, I'm indifferent towards Princely.  Plenty of other guys with a similar skill set.  Broughton and Collins is a different story.  There's no one else on our board with their talent.  

Losing Broughton would be worse than losing Collins by a fair margin. This would be the second year in a row Herman took over the recruitment of an elite D-lineman, only to lose him to A&M.

[texifornia 57227]

Wow. Real angstapalooza last night. 

Somewhat warranted, though, for sure.

[HenryJames 66278]

5 hours ago, cafe society said:

The tree of Satya bears only bitter fruit.

Lemon party, imo.

[HenryJames 66278]

26 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Even wareheim landed two plus prospects at his position last year, even if he cant make it rain elsewhere.

Oh, he can make it rain, thunder, and snow.

[Neonmoon 38130]

2018: Losing Chaisson would be unforgivable

2019: Losing Leal would be unforgivable 

2020: Losing Broughton would be unforgiveable

 

Let the good times keep rolling / Oscar Giles

Edited June 11, 2019 by Neonmoon
Forgot about Chaisson

[Fud 9560]

20 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Losing Broughton would be worse than losing Collins by a fair margin. This would be the second year in a row Herman took over the recruitment of an elite D-lineman, only to lose him to A&M.

Losing Collins is worse, imo 

[Viper 12156]

8 hours ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

The point is that we've gone from saying that all three were locks at various points during their recruitments to saying 'let's wait and see what happens, they're not gone yet' for our all of our top DL targets. Even if we manage to land 1 or 2 of them it's pretty clear that a certain position coach sucks at half of his job

and the further point is that this is the second year in a row that has happened.

[NoName 16614]

46 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Wow. Real angstapalooza last night. 

Somewhat warranted, though, for sure.

this should be the title of the 2020 recruiting thread

[South Austin 52687]

32 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

2019: Losing Leal would be unforgivable 

2020: Losing Broughton would be unforgiveable

 

Let the good times keep rolling / Oscar Giles

 

30 minutes ago, Fud said:

Losing Collins is worse, imo 

We’re losing our religion.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13153]

Just now, South Austin said:

 

We’re losing our religion.

At least we’re in the spotlight.

[Bevo 13635]

So errbody?

[irishtexan 11530]

and the further point is that this is the second year in a row that has happened.

If you count Chaisson, it’s the third year in a row.

[Pato del Muerto 52870]

2 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

If you count Chaisson, it’s the third year in a row.

One is a point, two is a coincidence, three is a trend.

[Sgt Hulk 14092]

So we are back to nerrbody.  Go out of state for err body 

[RomaVicta 30072]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

OU has dominated the conference while we’ve been down.

To be fair, they dominated while we were up, too.

 

I'll go kill myself now... in Florida.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13153]

3 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

So we are back to nerrbody.  Go out of state for err body 

We’re dipping into New Mexico. That’s another country and obvious evidence of how bad things are.

[Sgt Hulk 14092]

Don’t worry gents. We’re Texas 

[Radical Larry 28673]

Right on track, guys. Keep it up.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13153]

Just now, RomaVicta said:

I'll go kill myself now... in Florida.

You better do it in a Florida worthy manner or you’ll be a disappointment to us all. Either way, Mack approves.

[Bevo 13635]

2 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

We’re dipping into New Mexico. That’s another country and obvious evidence of how bad things are.

It seems like there are lots of good players from Canada. How come we don't see many players from Old Mexico and New Mexico?

[Sgt Hulk 14092]

 I was told as long as we just win they will come.  Who was wrong? Show yourself 

Edited June 11, 2019 by Sgt Hulk

[Hank_Hill 18994]

I mean the season hasn’t started yet. One season doesn’t do it.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13153]

3 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

I mean the season hasn’t started yet. One season doesn’t do it.

80 seasons doesn’t do it for some establishments.

[golfclap 6903]

2 hours ago, satyanash said:

Losing Broughton would be worse than losing Collins by a fair margin. This would be the second year in a row Herman took over the recruitment of an elite D-lineman, only to lose him to A&M.

Except that Collins is good at football. Broughton is potential and projection but by all means don't let that get in the way of a quality melt. 

[Chili dog 1787]

8 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

His HS team is the most undisciplined team I have ever seen play. I doubt he’s a culture fit regardless of what he tweets. 

Didn’t they start a brawl or something?

[BigBenBamboozle 1957]

17 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

 I was told as long as we just win they will come.  Who was wrong? Show yourself 

“Just win” in a season doesn’t include losing the first damn game to Maryland. 

[Sgt Hulk 14092]

Losing Collins would take the air out of the night for sure 

[lemonandaturd 4285]

I am really starting to panic now.  We may wind up with a DL class that rivals Tully Janszen, Marco Martin, Taylor Bible, and Eric Hall.  

[golfclap 6903]

Also, since we're running up on this topic again I'd like to point out that while the matchup between Price and Giles as recruiters is very lopsided, MOST if not ALL of the current issues surrounding the "scheme fit" and "my position at Texas" etc ... that we have heard from EVERY SINGLE DL recruit -- stems not from Giles and Price. It's ALWAYS after meeting with Elko and dissecting film with Elko. Orlando is an absolutely terrible recruiter and while a good position recruiter might be able to overcome some of that nonsense, the fact that Orlando is constantly getting pantsed is a HUGE problem. Giles working from behind is not going to net us positive results. 

Look, I get that surly loves a good Giles pile but the reality is that Orlando is getting pantsed here. He's really got more of an NFL mindset because he simply doesn't view recruiting as a huge portion of his job (or at all). To his credit Elko knows how to recruit and is doing it, he's not as good in any other facet of the job but he can recruit and his impact is clear after each one of these DL visits. Luckily they have some terrible position coaches so that the impact is negated elsewhere. (see here: Bradley Dale and Linguist) 

If Naivar is indeed the DC replacement for Orlando - we will see a drastic difference in quotes and impact from defensive recruits on visits to Texas. I don't know if he can gameplan as well, and I don't know if he can scheme as well but as a recruiter it will be a drastic improvement. 

[SydneyCarton 48300]

43 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

One is a point, two is a coincidence, three is a trend.

Even this is an oversimplification, IMO. I don't think you need to break it down to the macro level of years to define a trend. There's been about a dozen different points that we can identify for individual recruitments in different classes. 

[LTtxfan 49405]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

While I’m not arguing a rant and a dogpile on Oscar’s “Hustle Never Sleeps” thread isn’t merited, I do think the Umanmainlymanian recruitment bears further thought irrespective of the dipshit recruiting him. 

This guy has been looking for a reason to go elsewhere during the entirety of the cycle thus far. He talked up OU to people for a while. He’s now talking up ATM. In the process he’s searched for reasons as to why Texas is a backup pick in his backyard. With OU, Texas doesn’t win enough or put guys in the pros. The winning thing, fine, we’re coming up but yeah, OU has dominated the conference while we’ve been down. But a draft history over the last 11 years goes a long way of removing illusions for defensive players about OU putting defenders in the pros. 

So then you have ATM contending that he’s apparently going to be Bruce Smith in their defense and if he comes to Texas, he’s going to be turned into the defensive version of a buttplug inside so that all of the other defenders can get the glory. The counters to this argument are, you know, facts and film footage. However, sometimes that isn’t good enough. Then you have voices in the ear saying “maybe there’s a bunch of better options out east”. 

At what point, when you’re dealing with a middle of the road 4 star who might be a tweener and almost certainly won’t be an elite difference maker that you’ve busted your ass harder than anyone else to recruit, do you just tell the guy to fuck off and pursue better alternatives?  Probably after next weekend.

Then there’s the whole issue of having a choice to go to Texas in your backyard or picking to move to College Station willingly. I’ll never respect it, and guys that talk up ATM in recruiting when Texas is in power or moving there can pretty much just go fuck themselves in my book. I’m cheering for the closing of Blidi and/or Fillinger, or one of them and the continued pursuit of others that get discovered as well. The flip is that if dipshit turns around and commits to Texas, okay, I’ll take it gladly as a recruiting dork, but he’ll be high on my “first guy in the transfer portal” betting pool. 

I am so in favor of Herman getting more players that truly want to be at Texas verses the 4-5star guys who are excessively narcissistic.  Clemson not messing with the Evans circus is a great example for what some successful programs do to build their teams.  If you pay attention during recruiting a player, they often show you their true character... a leopard can't change its spots.  

Princely seems to really want to get away from home so he probably ends up an aggy.  Btw way, love the new term Ctj just created:    Umanmainlymanian 

[Machinator 32099]

5 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Btw way, love the new term Ctj just created:    Umanmainlymanian 

This is not new.

[Scholz 12038]

Now close your eyes and imagine LAND Broughton and Collins

 

[Tex Pete 20948]

17 minutes ago, Chili dog said:

Didn’t they start a brawl or something?

Not a brawl, but more than one player threw punches during the game I watched. One of them had already been flagged for unnecessary roughness on a play (as I recall, he was on the ground and pulled an opposing player down by his balls). He was immediately flagged, stood up, and threw a punch (at the guy HE grabbed by the balls) right in front of the ref. Of course he was ejected. But there was a lot of stuff like that in the game. It was extremely unnecessary and really impacted the flow of the game and their ability to move the ball. Seems like they had 200 yards in penalties. Seriously one of the ugliest games I have ever seen.