Texas Recruiting Notes 2020

[Burt Macklin 19099]

27 minutes ago, NoName said:

Want to make sure I understand the DB board and what positions guys are either expected to fill or we just think they will fill...

CB:

• Ethan Pouncey
• Kitan Crawford

Joker:

• Jerrin Thompson (right position?)

outstanding offers: 

• Kelee Ringo (CB)
• Rogers (CB)
• Kimber (CB)
• Eaton (CB)
• Ransom (S, either joker or field safety)
• Alford (field safety)
• Chris Thompson Jr (NB?)
• Bryson Washington (field safety?)

 

CTJ is a Joker. Thompson could end up at any of field, boundary, or Nickel. Ransom has similar versatility, but not Joker. Washington would likely be field or boundary. 

I hope we stay on CTJ because he’s an ideal Joker fit and there’s not a ton of those each class. 

9 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Wiltfong is trying to get himself a source at Texas, I see.

Not that we needed confirmation that Wiltfong has 0 information on the Texas side, but this it. 

This piece did remind me though about Htownhorn’s bloviating rants about how  Wiltfong knows nothing and he’s an SEC shill because he said things like Florida is in it for Rogers and Auburn is a real threat to land CTJ. lulz. 

[SydneyCarton 48305]

Yeah, people should probably let the CTJ flip fantasies go. I'm not sure how often schools get Dickerson'd these days, but I'm guessing the percentages there are pretty fucking small, and even smaller when the school getting dicked isn't aTm. 

[NoName 16619]

5 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

 

CTJ is a Joker. Thompson could end up at any of field, boundary, or Nickel. Ransom has similar versatility, but not Joker. Washington would likely be field or boundary. 

I hope we stay on CTJ because he’s an ideal Joker fit and there’s not a ton of those each class. 

 

thank you!

[NoName 16619]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

Yeah, people should probably let the CTJ flip fantasies go. I'm not sure how often schools get Dickerson'd these days, but I'm guessing the percentages there are pretty fucking small, and even smaller when the school getting dicked isn't aTm. 

hard, hard, hard disagree.

if he is as much of a fit as basically everyone says, you stay on him until the moment he signs. 

this would be the case if he was a commit to A&M, but when you consider it is Auburn (distance, could have a bad year, coaching changes could v easily happen, friends going to Texas, etc) it makes even more sense.

[SydneyCarton 48305]

8 minutes ago, NoName said:

hard, hard, hard disagree.

if he is as much of a fit as basically everyone says, you stay on him until the moment he signs. 

this would be the case if he was a commit to A&M, but when you consider it is Auburn (distance, could have a bad year, coaching changes could v easily happen, friends going to Texas, etc) it makes even more sense.

I didn't say Texas should stop recruiting the guy. I said that this board should stop entertaining the notion that a flip is going to happen. Pretty big difference there, chooch. If a miracle happens and for some reason we get a 180 like with Robinson, well, YeahFuckYeah.gif. But Robinson was a clean recruitment. 

[Fud 9561]

13 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Yeah, people should probably let the CTJ flip fantasies go. I'm not sure how often schools get Dickerson'd these days, but I'm guessing the percentages there are pretty fucking small, and even smaller when the school getting dicked isn't aTm. 

Optimism would stem from Malzahn potentially getting fired. He has a massive buyout, but their schedule is brutal and it could get ugly, especially since their best QB is probably a true freshman. 

[SydneyCarton 48305]

1 minute ago, Fud said:

Optimism would stem from Malzahn potentially getting fired. He has a massive buyout, but their schedule is brutal and it could get ugly, especially since their best QB is probably a true freshman. 

I understand all of the circumstances surrounding Auburn and CTJ.

[Fud 9561]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

I understand all of the circumstances surrounding Auburn and CTJ.

Then I don't understand why you're calling it a miracle. All bets are off when a coach is fired. And there's a clear avenue to his firing. 

[Burt Macklin 19099]

4 minutes ago, Fud said:

Optimism would stem from Malzahn potentially getting fired. He has a massive buyout, but their schedule is brutal and it could get ugly, especially since their best QB is probably a true freshman. 

How much of a Chance is there really of him being fired though? I know a lot don auburn fans and boosters want home gone every year, but After this season he’s still guaranteed like 36 or 30 million, I believe. 

I know Auburn and the SEC schools don’t give a shit about anything but football, but that’s an astronomical number when you factor in the cost of acquiring a new coaching staff on top of it. 

[Bodacious Bevo 3612]

19 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Yeah, people should probably let the CTJ flip fantasies go. I'm not sure how often schools get Dickerson'd these days, but I'm guessing the percentages there are pretty fucking small, and even smaller when the school getting dicked isn't aTm. 

Depends on the season imo. If the boosters want Malzahn gone, they could easily decide to pull the plug on his recruiting. Even if he isn't fired they could end up crippling him to keep him on the hot seat. 

[SydneyCarton 48305]

1 minute ago, Fud said:

Then I don't understand why you're calling it a miracle. All bets are off when a coach is fired. And there's a clear avenue to his firing. 

I'm not going to pretend to know what accepted protocol is for kids who have been bought by a school when the coach is then fired. But personally, I'm guessing there is still significant pressure to stay committed. That's why it seems unlikely to me. Maybe I'm wrong and they're free to do whatever the fuck they want, but I'm guessing there's some hard conversations that take place. Again, I didn't say the staff should stop recruiting him. I said this board should probably not get their hopes up. 

[Fud 9561]

2 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

How much of a Chance is there really of him being fired though? I know a lot don auburn fans and boosters want home gone every year, but After this season he’s still guaranteed like 36 or 30 million, I believe. 

I know Auburn and the SEC schools don’t give a shit about anything but football, but that’s an astronomical number when you factor in the cost of acquiring a new coaching staff on top of it.  

I think it's $27mm after this year. But we're talking about arguably the most irrational school/program/fanbase in college football when on tilt, and the SEC prints money and they'd be able to prorate the buyout over the length of the contract. 

[Ricky's one-hitter 9159]

6 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

How much of a Chance is there really of him being fired though? I know a lot don auburn fans and boosters want home gone every year, but After this season he’s still guaranteed like 36 or 30 million, I believe. 

I know Auburn and the SEC schools don’t give a shit about anything but football, but that’s an astronomical number when you factor in the cost of acquiring a new coaching staff on top of it. 

Despite all of the smoke around Malzahn, this last deal really handicapped their ability to actually fire him. If they fire him, he's owed 75% of his remaining salary. Unless they plan to Beatty him, we can expect Gus in Auburn for awhile - at least until 2022

[Ricky's one-hitter 9159]

3 minutes ago, Fud said:

they'd be able to prorate the buyout over the length of the contract. 

50% due up front, the remainder over 4 years

[HenryJames 66282]

9 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

How much of a Chance is there really of him being fired though? I know a lot don auburn fans and boosters want home gone every year, but After this season he’s still guaranteed like 36 or 30 million, I believe. 

I know Auburn and the SEC schools don’t give a shit about anything but football, but that’s an astronomical number when you factor in the cost of acquiring a new coaching staff on top of it. 

The university isn't worth $30 million.

[NoName 16619]

18 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I didn't say Texas should stop recruiting the guy. I said that this board should stop entertaining the notion that a flip is going to happen. Pretty big difference there, chooch. If a miracle happens and for some reason we get a 180 like with Robinson, well, YeahFuckYeah.gif. But Robinson was a clean recruitment. 

what actual reasonable person here (key word, reasonable), is expecting a flip? 

 

[Fud 9561]

5 minutes ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

Despite all of the smoke around Malzahn, this last deal really handicapped their ability to actually fire him. If they fire him, he's owed 75% of his remaining salary. Unless they plan to Beatty him, we can expect Gus in Auburn for awhile - at least until 2022

 

4 minutes ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

50% due up front, the remainder over 4 years

That's a lot of money. They're also irrationals with little brother syndrome who are given a lot of money.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/25900708/sec-schools-get-431m-revenue-sharing 

[Ricky's one-hitter 9159]

7 minutes ago, Fud said:

given a lot of money.

Right, but they dont get a check every year and wonder what to do with it. That money is budgeted out before it hits the account. 

https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/auburn/2019/02/05/auburn-university-athletic-department-record-revenue-decrease-profit-2017-18-ncaa-finances-report/2777036002/

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Auburn reported an operating excess of $7.8 million. It marks the fourth straight year the athletic department has been profitable after two years in the red, but also the least amount of profit during that stretch — the university made $9.2 million in 2014-15, $15.2 million in 2015-16 and $14.6 million in 2016-17.

Ain't nobody got 13M laying around. We'll see how much the boosters hate him.

[satyanash 14780]

 

[BabaYaga 15375]

[Fud 9561]

4 minutes ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

Right, but they dont get a check every year and wonder what to do with it. That money is budgeted out before it hits the account. 

https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/auburn/2019/02/05/auburn-university-athletic-department-record-revenue-decrease-profit-2017-18-ncaa-finances-report/2777036002/

Ain't nobody got 13M laying around. We'll see how much the boosters hate him.

That's the thing, they're irrational and won't necessarily do what makes sense from the outside. If the season goes down the drain, which has a decent probability given their difficult schedule (#12 on a neutral field, @ #11, vs #12, @ #8, @ #6, vs #3, and vs #2) I think it's plausible they'll go in the red for the year to get rid of the guy they wanted to get rid of last year. 

[Bodacious Bevo 3612]

Even if they don't fire Malzahn, it only takes one bagman getting upset to stop making payments or pull a job offer. 

From Godfrey's article: 

It's also how lame duck coaching staffs are created. If a majority of bag men want a particular coach out and an A.D. or president won't make a move, they'll just dry up funds.

"The coach won't know exactly when we decide to make that happen, but they've got a good idea. Then we get to see just how damn good a recruiter he really is. I know one of our guys once stopped putting in big bucks, way more than what I do, just because a head coach cussed too much on the team plane. [The coach] was losing anyway, but because he took the Lord's name in vain, that guy was offended by his morality and stopped illegally paying college football players."

[Mdhorn 6097]

21 minutes ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

From Godfrey's article: "The coach won't know exactly when we decide to make that happen, but they've got a good idea. Then we get to see just how damn good a recruiter he really is. I know one of our guys once stopped putting in big bucks, way more than what I do, just because a head coach cussed too much on the team plane. [The coach] was losing anyway, but because he took the Lord's name in vain, that guy was offended by his morality and stopped illegally paying college football players."

Taking the moral high ground while contributing payments with all the cheating and lying they entail.

Edited August 12, 2019 by Mdhorn

[Beau Vine 54866]

1 hour ago, Burt Macklin said:

How much of a Chance is there really of him being fired though? I know a lot don auburn fans and boosters want home gone every year, but After this season he’s still guaranteed like 36 or 30 million, I believe. 

I know Auburn and the SEC schools don’t give a shit about anything but football, but that’s an astronomical number when you factor in the cost of acquiring a new coaching staff on top of it. 

They nearly fired him last season.  If they go 6-6 and get blown out by Bama, there's no way they don't fire him.  

[Machinator 32099]

IT

- Aldine MacArthur four-star corner Josh Eaton knows where he’s going, he’d just like to keep it a secret a little bit longer. He worked out last weekend during Ro Simon’s FAST Media day. It’s down to the Longhorns and Aggies, FWIW. I’d give Texas the slight advantage today and he seems determined to commit before his senior campaign. Whoever pushed the hardest between UT and A&M is where he'll land.

- Same with Alvin Shadow Creek four-safety Xavion Alford. With Alabama filling up, it appears to be a lone star showdown between UT and A&M. Alford, like Eaton, has changed his commitment timeline before, but also would prefer to make a decision soon. If Texas lands Eaton, it could help grab Alford as well, but the two insist they aren’t tethered together. Alford might be slightly leaning in A&M's direction. 

- West Mesquite’s Ty Jordan could be making his decision soon, even this week. The four-star bowling ball tailback has seen UT's pursuit intensify over the summer and UT looks to be in fantastic shape at this point. I’d be surprised if he isn’t in UT’s Class of 2020. 

- Temple’s Quentin Johnston wants to grab his spot before his senior season kicks off. As we’ve noted, this is a Texas-TCU battle right now with both taking turns as the top team in QJ’s head. The four-star receiver isn’t bashful about both schools, with praise about what both can offer him. TCU WRs coach Malcolm Kelly is doing a tremendous job building a relationship with Johnston, while UT’s Derek Warehime and Corby Meekins have helped put Texas in his final two. A little more QJ below.

MORE RANDOM NOTES

I checked in on a bunch of random prospects I'm interested in hearing about. Texas is in fine standing with the 2020 class and great standing with the 2021s but there's a lot of work to be done in both.

WR Quentin Johnston, Temple (2020): Me and Justin have both posted we've heard this is a Texas/TCU battle of late. New intel I've received states he came this >< close to committing at the Stars at Night camp in late July. We know TCU is feeling pretty confident here but he was UT's to lose very recently. If Herman gets him on the phone and pushes I think they can land him.

[UDontKnow 10504]

Put Herman and Carrington on Quentin Johnston's recruitment and it's a wrap.

[RomaVicta 30080]

So, we want both Eaton and Alford? I think some Surly posters have doubts, but I may be confused. 

[Scholz 12046]

I think Alford is the prize, Eaton is the bait, Ransom, Rogers, Washington and CTJ are the pipe dreams.

So yes, take both.

[Fondren & Main 6763]

Plus it fucks the Ags over.  Win/win.

[BabaYaga 15375]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

They nearly fired him last season.  If they go 6-6 and get blown out by Bama, there's no way they don't fire him.  

Yep.  Their schedule is tough.  It's going to be the Auburn/Aggy chronicles to see who beats whom to stay above .500.  

[Machinator 32099]

Situation is very much fluid, but Super K thinks we get all three of Alford, Eaton, and Princely U as of right now.

[Katfid54 8635]

3 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Situation is very much fluid, but Super K thinks we get all three of Alford, Eaton, and Princely U as of right now.

[texifornia 57230]

12 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Situation is very much fluid, but Super K thinks we get all three of Alford, Eaton, and Princely U as of right now.

Jimbo 2020 status update:

[sdm 894]

2 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Jimbo 2020 status update:

stupid aggy, that man hadn't finished filling up his jizz jar.

[Burt Macklin 19099]

33 minutes ago, Scholz said:

I think Alford is the prize, Eaton is the bait, Ransom, Rogers, Washington and CTJ are the pipe dreams.

So yes, take both.

Eh. I wouldn’t call either guy a prize. Eaton is high ceiling, low floor. Alford is high floor, low ceiling. They’re both decent prospects that would give us a good not great DB class. I’d probably prefer holding out for a late riser and/or flip of 2 of Rogers, Washington, CTJ, but that could obviously lead to a 2019 RB situation. The difference IMO is that we’re stacked at S and solid at CB, so we can take more risks there than we should have at RB last year.

 

I’m not sure there’s really a bad option either way. It does sound like if we want him, we can get Eaton. Not so sure on Alford, but I guess we’ll find out soon.

[Pato del Muerto 52879]

19 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Situation is very much fluid, but Super K thinks we get all three of Alford, Eaton, and Princely U as of right now.

Those 3, Collins, and Jordan and numbers begin to get tight if 20 really is the target.  A high school linebacker would be nice. 

[Katfid54 8635]

2 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Eh. I wouldn’t call either guy a prize. Eaton is high ceiling, low floor. Alford is high floor, low ceiling. They’re both decent prospects that would give us a good not great DB class. I’d probably prefer holding out for a late riser and/or flip of 2 of Rogers, Washington, CTJ, but that could obviously lead to a 2019 RB situation. The difference IMO is that we’re stacked at S and solid at CB, so we can take more risks there than we should have at RB last year.

  

I’m not sure there’s really a bad option either way. It does sound like if we want him, we can get Eaton. Not so sure on Alford, but I guess we’ll find out soon.

I appreciate the idea that if we're going to miss at CB and S this cycle, we should miss long.  I also think that we've pretty obviously already missed long, after striking out on CTJ, Ransom, Jahari, and Ringo.  Adding in a flier pick on Eaton and taking Alford, who would provide nice depth in the short term makes good sense--especially since the 2021 class is not as obviously stacked as prior years.  If Eaton/Alford/others get recruited over, DBs don't usually sit around clogging up a roster.

[Rickylovesweed 14835]

27 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Situation is very much fluid, but Super K thinks we get all three of Alford, Eaton, and Princely U as of right now.

If this happens aggys will shit themselves. Not like that isn’t normal for them. 

[UncleBuck 6455]

10 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

If this happens aggys will shit themselves. Not like that isn’t normal for them. 

they'll all be shitting themselves on trying to be the first to post how A&M must not have been pushing for them, and how Texas got Jimbeaux's leftovers. 

[Bodacious Bevo 3612]

8 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Those 3, Collins, and Jordan and numbers begin to get tight if 20 really is the target.  A high school linebacker would be nice. 

Princely, Collins, Jordan, Alford, Eaton, and Johnston brings the class to 281.30 composite score. That's about 6 points behind our score last year and leaves a couple spots for LVBS/Hester and this mythical 'high school linebacker' you mention. Adding LVBS and Josh White would be 286.96. 

My rule of thumb is that a score of 285+ is a great class. It generally lands you in the top 5 or right outside of it (that's how it looks this year). 300 is excellent, top 3ish level, and can be a foundation for a championship (our 2018 class was 300.06). 

Regularly scoring 285 while hitting 300 every couple years should be plenty to win a lot of games i.e. compete for the conference and playoffs annually with credible championship aspirations every couple years.

[Bruh Man 3160]

As much as I'd like to lay the smackdown on aggy, I'd be patient on the DB situation. I think we can flip Eaton down the line if necessary.

[Burt Macklin 19099]

32 minutes ago, Katfid54 said:

I appreciate the idea that if we're going to miss at CB and S this cycle, we should miss long.  I also think that we've pretty obviously already missed long, after striking out on CTJ, Ransom, Jahari, and Ringo.  Adding in a flier pick on Eaton and taking Alford, who would provide nice depth in the short term makes good sense--especially since the 2021 class is not as obviously stacked as prior years.  If Eaton/Alford/others get recruited over, DBs don't usually sit around clogging up a roster.

Yeah, like I said, I’ll be fine either way. If the staff wants to wrap up DB recruiting with Eaton and Alford, I won’t have any complaints, though I’d still love to get CTJ at that point because he’d Be the only potential joker of the group. 

12 minutes ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

Princely, Collins, Jordan, Alford, Eaton, and Johnston brings the class to 281.30 composite score. That's about 6 points behind our score last year and leaves a couple spots for LVBS/Hester and this mythical 'high school linebacker' you mention. Adding LVBS and Josh White would be 286.96. 

My rule of thumb is that a score of 285+ is a great class. It generally lands you in the top 5 or right outside of it (that's how it looks this year). 300 is excellent, top 3ish level, and can be a foundation for a championship (our 2018 class was 300.06). 

Regularly scoring 285 while hitting 300 every couple years should be plenty to win a lot of games i.e. compete for the conference and playoffs annually with credible championship aspirations every couple years.

Yeah. At one point this class seemed like it could be a 300 class, but a few misses and low numbers changed that. If we can get to 300ish next year, that would be an extremely good 4 year run. 

The other nice thing is that the staff has shored up weaknesses in previous classes each year, like RB and DL in 2020. By the time the 2020 guys get to campus, this roster will have almost no holes and it will just be a matter of how many guys turn into stars. Once the 2021 guys get to campus, the roster will be absolutely stacked with talent like w heavens seen since 2005. 

Edited August 12, 2019 by Burt Macklin

[UncleBuck 6455]

Greg Biggins with an Alford CB to aggy

[Machinator 32099]

Yeah, Super K is going full "ovaries on the table" with his Alford take.

[satyanash 14780]

Cody Daniel: Resetting Texas’ 2020 recruiting big board

 

[Burt Macklin 19099]

4 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Cody Daniel: Resetting Texas’ 2020 recruiting big board

 

Isn’t this the same yokel that cried doom because we “lost” Brennan Scott to Kansas? 

[texifornia 57230]

1 minute ago, Burt Macklin said:

Isn’t this the same yokel that cried doom because we “lost” Brennan Scott to Kansas? 

Yuh huh

[gmr548 16638]

4 hours ago, Fud said:

But we're talking about arguably the most irrational school/program/fanbase in college football

Imma let you finish and all, but: 

 

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

A high school linebacker would be nice. 

I was under the impression recruiting linebackers was not allowed under NCAA rules?

Edited August 12, 2019 by gmr548

[Machinator 32099]

 

[texifornia 57230]

1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

I was under the impression recruiting linebackers was not allowed under NCAA rules?

Only if they come pre-loaded with broken necks