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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

So this is players currently on campus, yes, not the 2020 kids?

Yes, only players on the current roster are there. It lets you compare talent baselines across offense/defense, specific position groupings, and/or all the way down to the individual player.

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7 minutes ago, satyanash said:

In terms of recruiting rankings, LSU has us on defense (DL/LB/secondary) as well as the O-line. Our edge lies with our offensive skill players (QB/RB/WR).

In terms of real life, LSU does not have us on OL by a long shot. 

It does do a good job of showing the talent level and depth of LSU’s defense though. absolutely stacked.

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39 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Nice interactive chart that can compare teams by aggregate 247Sports' recruiting ranks at each position/for each player between any two rosters: 

https://public.tableau.com/shared/SCQ8DPR87

https://public.tableau.com/shared/QXZ89F4W8

https://public.tableau.com/shared/H343QJYJ7

It should filter out the walkons. I was shocked to see our QBs higher than OUs, then I saw their walkon was being counted while ours wasn't

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Nice interactive chart that can compare teams by aggregate 247Sports' recruiting ranks at each position/for each player between any two rosters: 

https://public.tableau.com/shared/SCQ8DPR87

https://public.tableau.com/shared/QXZ89F4W8

https://public.tableau.com/shared/H343QJYJ7

These charts should have the ability to apply a weighting based on the fact that no one ever knows what the fuck Ed O is talking about.

 

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1 hour ago, NameNotFound said:

Coaching edge goes to us and that's more important. Orgeron isn't bad, but he isn't good. 

Orgeron is a semi-functioning retard. I’m not sure on game day what values he provides. We should probably be comparing the OC and DC positions to compare coaching staffs. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

We should probably be comparing the OC and DC positions to compare coaching staffs. 

Even that is a little misleading. Beck and Ensminger are probably about even when it comes to game-day contributions, but Herman handles most of that himself for offense, which makes it a ridiculously huge advantage for Texas on offense. Aranda and Orlando are more evenly paired -- Aranda is working with a bit more talent, but Orlando is much more adaptable, and has frankly seen more and therefore knows more. Aranda is pretty smart, but coaching in the SEC has kind of dulled his blade, intellectually.

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10 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Even that is a little misleading. Beck and Ensminger are probably about even when it comes to game-day contributions, but Herman handles most of that himself for offense, which makes it a ridiculously huge advantage for Texas on offense. Aranda and Orlando are more evenly paired -- Aranda is working with a bit more talent, but Orlando is much more adaptable, and has frankly seen more and therefore knows more. Aranda is pretty smart, but coaching in the SEC has kind of dulled his blade, intellectually.

Good thoughts. I've given Orlando similar reviews in comparison but last year made me question TO, he's been fooled by personnel to start both years and last year got away from what he does best until late in season. I do think Aranda has better, more experienced talent across the board. Looking forward to this match up.

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Sounds like we could potentially platoon our dbs like Kentucky did it’s basketball squad a few years ago.  Glad to hear that the drop off from Sterns to Brown has been minimal.  Hope Overshown can get back soon.  He hits like a mean motherfucker.  Time to put the fear of God back in these passing teams like Ross, Brown and the Griffins used to.

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How about a six OT win by the Horns - just to shit all over the Ags and their 74-72 cupcake. 

Then we'll NOT enter the score on our bowl rings, with a public proclamation by Herman as to why:  "because it's fucking stupid, that's why". 

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24 minutes ago, Goodman said:

Good thoughts. I've given Orlando similar reviews in comparison but last year made me question TO, he's been fooled by personnel to start both years and last year got away from what he does best until late in season. I do think Aranda has better, more experienced talent across the board. Looking forward to this match up.

TO definitely had some rough games last year, but it’s hard to say how much of the blame was on him.  We had a pretty good starting 11, but horrible depth at most spots.  The games where TO struggled the most was when we lost at least a few starters.  At that point, we had 3-4 weak spots on our defense with Hager, Wheeler, Thompson in the slot against Tech and WVU, Boyce against OSU.  Good offensive minds like Gundy, Kingsbury, and Holgo will make you pay for that no matter what you do with your scheme. Our defense was pretty solid when healthy, so I’m not sure how much of that should be blamed on Orlando versus how much was just that the talent/depth wasn’t there.  

We should learn a lot more about him this year. If he can put the pieces together and get us top 35 in adjusted defense, then I think we can feel good about him moving forward and expect an extremely good defense in 2020. If he has a similar year to last year, then he’s probably more along the lines of a solid DC who is likely to have a few games a year where he really struggles.

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1 hour ago, Machinator said:

 

I laugh at aggy saying that Q Johnson didn't have any good offers: Oklahoma, TCU, Virginia Tech, Baylor, Texas Tech, Houston

 

Last I checked, every one of those schools with exception of Va Tech knows a thing or two about elite receivers. 

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1 hour ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Even that is a little misleading. Beck and Ensminger are probably about even when it comes to game-day contributions, but Herman handles most of that himself for offense, which makes it a ridiculously huge advantage for Texas on offense. Aranda and Orlando are more evenly paired -- Aranda is working with a bit more talent, but Orlando is much more adaptable, and has frankly seen more and therefore knows more. Aranda is pretty smart, but coaching in the SEC has kind of dulled his blade, intellectually.

Exactly.  Don't forget that before LSU he was at Wisconsin where the competition was Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern and (pre-Brohm) Purdue.  That's not exactly a parade of Spread and Air Raid offenses that he was forced to scheme against even in his pre-Fatball(TM) career.

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1 hour ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Aranda and Orlando are more evenly paired -- Aranda is working with a bit more talent, but Orlando is much more adaptable, and has frankly seen more and therefore knows more. Aranda is pretty smart, but coaching in the SEC has kind of dulled his blade, intellectually.

You're kinda under-rating Aranda here. He's an excellent DC and is Orlando's equal when it comes to blitz packages and disguised coverages, plus he's known for doing well against power spread teams like us. LSU's defense also generates lots of turnovers, which isn't great because we rely heavily on positive turnover margin to win games.

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1 minute ago, satyanash said:

You're severely under-rating Aranda here. He's an excellent DC and is Orlando's equal when it comes to blitz packages and disguised coverages, plus he's known for doing well against power spread teams like us*. LSU's defense also generates lots of turnovers, which isn't great because we rely heavily on positive turnover margin to win games.

*Except when he plays Tom Herman

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You're severely under-rating Aranda here. He's an excellent DC and is Orlando's equal when it comes to blitz packages and disguised coverages, plus he's known for doing well against power spread teams like us. LSU's defense also generates lots of turnovers, which isn't great because we rely heavily on positive turnover margin to win games.

Thanks, satya. We don't want people getting too optimistic.

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2 minutes ago, satyanash said:

You're kinda under-rating Aranda here. He's an excellent DC and is Orlando's equal when it comes to blitz packages and disguised coverages, plus he's known for doing well against power spread teams like us. LSU's defense also generates lots of turnovers, which isn't great because we rely heavily on positive turnover margin to win games.

What about power spread teams like Florida?

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1 minute ago, Machinator said:

What about power spread teams like Florida?

They got hurt heavily in that game because of a dismal turnover margin - their defense only forced one turnover. I think we can both agree that was an outlier for a defense that finished T-7 in the country in turnover margin.

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8 minutes ago, satyanash said:

You're kinda under-rating Aranda here. He's an excellent DC and is Orlando's equal when it comes to blitz packages and disguised coverages, plus he's known for doing well against power spread teams like us. LSU's defense also generates lots of turnovers, which isn't great because we rely heavily on positive turnover margin to win games.

I agree that Aranda is one of the top DC's and will have his guys ready. The fact that Aranda has brilliantly coached his defense to look for turnovers, which is pretty revolutionary, bodes well for LSU. 

 

Prognosis: DOOMED

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5 minutes ago, satyanash said:

They got hurt heavily in that game because of a dismal turnover margin - their defense only forced one turnover. I think we can both agree that was an outlier for a defense that finished T-7 in the country in turnover margin.

They forced 25 turnovers in 13 games and you think forcing 1 turnover in a game is an outlier? That's not how this works. Then you combine that with the fact that they recovered 8 out of 10 opponent fumbles (instead of the expected 5) and you have a team that forced 22 "expected" turnovers in 13 games.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree that 1 turnover is an outlier for a team that expects to force 1.7 turnovers per game.

Also, since it's pertinent, Texas forced 20 turnovers in 14 games, but only recovered 8 out of 23 opponent fumbles. So our expected turnovers were actually 23.5 turnovers in 14 games, which works out to (you guessed it) 1.7 expected turnovers per game.

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18 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

I laugh at aggy saying that Q Johnson didn't have any good offers: Oklahoma, TCU, Virginia Tech, Baylor, Texas Tech, Houston

 

Last I checked, every one of those schools with exception of Va Tech knows a thing or two about elite receivers. 

Jaxon Shipley didn’t gave a lot of offers either. Nobody bothered wasting their time. I think everyone knew he wasn’t going far. 

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4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

They forced 25 turnovers in 13 games and you think forcing 1 turnover in a game is an outlier? That's not how this works. Then you combine that with the fact that they recovered 8 out of 10 opponent fumbles (instead of the expected 5) and you have a team that forced 22 "expected" turnovers in 13 games.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree that 1 turnover is an outlier for a team that expects to force 1.7 turnovers per game.

The margin was the outlier, is what I meant to say. -2 on the game because LSU's offense kept giving the ball away. LSU was almost as stingy as us when it came to not committing turnovers last year, the three offensive turnovers were an outlier the same way Sam's two picks against Maryland were.

You can hardly blame that or the loss that resulted from it on Aranda or the defense.

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25 minutes ago, satyanash said:

You're kinda under-rating Aranda here. He's an excellent DC and is Orlando's equal when it comes to blitz packages and disguised coverages, plus he's known for doing well against power spread teams like us. LSU's defense also generates lots of turnovers, which isn't great because we rely heavily on positive turnover margin to win games.

OOC, here's LSU's record in 2017 and 2018 against teams even remotely spread-ish:

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2017
Troy 24, LSU 21
16/28 passing for 157
41 carries for 208, counting sack yardage. Not counting it, you've got 35 carries for 216, a 6.2 ypc average on the ground.

Syracuse 26, LSU 35
34/55 passing for 308, 2 TDs and 1 INT
27 carries for 76 ypc on the ground

2018
La Tech 21, LSU 38
27/50 passing for 300 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT
26 carries for 87 ypc on the ground

I won't count the UCF bowl game, because even though LSU's defense looked like hammered dog-shit, it was a weird game all around.

Color me very unimpressed.

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12 minutes ago, satyanash said:

You're kinda under-rating Aranda here. He's an excellent DC and is Orlando's equal when it comes to blitz packages and disguised coverages, plus he's known for doing well against power spread teams like us. LSU's defense also generates lots of turnovers, which isn't great because we rely heavily on positive turnover margin to win games.

Actually Aranda has been good against power spread teams that are NOT like Texas.  E.g. Auburn which had a mediocre passer at QB but made up for it with his lack of mobility.

 

5 minutes ago, satyanash said:

They got hurt heavily in that game because of a dismal turnover margin - their defense only forced one turnover. I think we can both agree that was an outlier for a defense that finished T-7 in the country in turnover margin.

Two parts to TO margin and you missed the more important part.  LSU was T-16 in turnovers gained but T-9 in turnover lost.  The upside to an ultra-conservative offense is minimizing turnovers lost.

The aggregates also fail to account for the fact that LSU's defense feasted on the crappy offenses they faced while looking quite pedestrian against the decent or better offenses.  TOs were inflated by playing LA Tech, SE LA and (crippled) UCF OOC.  LSU also gained 4 INTs against the Wildcat specialist in QB drag at MSU.  The Georgia game was the real outlier - where they gained 4 TOs against a good offense.  A single TO gained would actually be the most common result in conference play - it happened 4 times. 

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1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

How about a six OT win by the Horns - just to shit all over the Ags and their 74-72 cupcake. 

Then we'll NOT enter the score on our bowl rings, with a public proclamation by Herman as to why:  "because it's fucking stupid, that's why". 

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aggy enshrined a regular season football game against a division opponent?  really?  

i guess when you never win anything of any substance, you're reduced to immortalizing regular season football games.  

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Grades or something else?  If it is grades, is it even possible he could qualify at UT?

No, it centered on his transfer from North Forrest to Tomball.  Basically, the UIL didn't think it was legit in terms of athletics so they ruled him ineligible.  Don't think he'll see the field in football in Texas this year w/o transferring back, which he says he won't do.  

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1 minute ago, Stampeder said:

No, it centered on his transfer from North Forrest to Tomball.  Basically, the UIL didn't think it was legit in terms of athletics so they ruled him ineligible.  Don't think he'll see the field in football in Texas this year w/o transferring back, which he says he won't do.  

IMG or bust?

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2 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

IMG or bust?

He’s staying in tomball. 

Its not that the board thinks it’s shady as much as there are written guidelines about eligibility and waivers, and his case didn’t meet them. 

Hope his situation is much improved, that he enjoys the hell out of his senior year, and works his ass off with footwork king. 

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20 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He’s staying in tomball. 

Its not that the board thinks it’s shady as much as there are written guidelines about eligibility and waivers, and his case didn’t meet them. 

I'm sure aggy thinks the UIL/district are picking on Demas, but this stuff happens all the time. I've seen worse situations.

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