Texas Recruiting Notes 2020

[texifornia 57027]

1 minute ago, Getafix said:

Tex - that wouldn't do it.

- Assuming equal weighting of the services at the class level, we would be #15

- Assuming unequal weighting, best case would be #10 (basically, 100%, 0%, 0%)

- If there are bonuses and fudge factors at the player level, put in by 247 when they calculate the individual player level composites, and then perhaps added something at the class level, I suppose it's possible, not sure .... but that's distorting things to the point where you would question the value of a composite.

 

In simple terms, to combine #10, #14 and #24 to come up with #9 (which is substantially better than ALL THREE of the individual ranks) is pretty bizarre, if not incorrect. 

We've hit the limits of the amount of math I want to think about in any given year, so I'll take your word for it!

[KYHorn 17094]

7 minutes ago, Getafix said:

Tex - that wouldn't do it.

- Assuming equal weighting of the services at the class level, we would be #15

- Assuming unequal weighting, best case would be #10 (basically, 100%, 0%, 0%)

- If there are bonuses and fudge factors at the player level, put in by 247 when they calculate the individual player level composites, and then perhaps added something at the class level, I suppose it's possible, not sure .... but that's distorting things to the point where you would question the value of a composite.

 

In simple terms, to combine #10, #14 and #24 to come up with #9 (which is substantially better than ALL THREE of the individual ranks) is pretty bizarre, if not incorrect.  

 

 

So if Aggy was #9, #6, and #102 (BOMC), as were a few other teams (substantial variances), whereas we are #10, #14 and #24, you're saying that wouldn't do it? 

Edited December 19, 2019 by KYHorn

[Ricky's one-hitter 9117]

5 minutes ago, Getafix said:

Tex - that wouldn't do it.

- Assuming equal weighting of the services at the class level, we would be #15

- Assuming unequal weighting, best case would be #10 (basically, 100%, 0%, 0%)

- If there are bonuses and fudge factors at the player level, put in by 247 when they calculate the individual player level composites, and then perhaps added something at the class level, I suppose it's possible, not sure .... but that's distorting things to the point where you would question the value of a composite.

 

In simple terms, to combine #10, #14 and #24 to come up with #9 (which is substantially better than ALL THREE of the individual ranks) is pretty bizarre, if not incorrect.  

 

 

The composite class ranking is 247's ranking of composite score players grouped by school. 

[TommyGufano 6021]

6 minutes ago, Getafix said:

Tex - that wouldn't do it.

- Assuming equal weighting of the services at the class level, we would be #15

- Assuming unequal weighting, best case would be #10 (basically, 100%, 0%, 0%)

- If there are bonuses and fudge factors at the player level, put in by 247 when they calculate the individual player level composites, and then perhaps added something at the class level, I suppose it's possible, not sure .... but that's distorting things to the point where you would question the value of a composite.

 

In simple terms, to combine #10, #14 and #24 to come up with #9 (which is substantially better than ALL THREE of the individual ranks) is pretty bizarre, if not incorrect.  

 

 

Nah. Tex is correct (though admittedly, it seems screwy when you consider that all 3 services are assessing the same classes).

Just think of it as taking the GMAT. You can score in 80th percentile in each of the math and verbal sections and overall you score in 95th percentile because the math nerds who beat your math score can't write good and the people who enjoy reading and beat your verbal score think 4+4=potato.

Basically there can be teams ahead of us in Rivals ranking that are *way* behind us in ESPN and end up behind us in composite.

Or you're right. But there's definitely scenarios where 10, 14 and 24 can come out to 9th overall

[JBJ 3657]

I reverse engineered 247s personal composite score once.

It's close to this but I might misremember some of this.

They take your percentile rank from each service assuming x recruits (I believe 3,000 recruits).  So position 300=0.900

From there, the 247 rank counts double.

Then, instead of a simple average it's the root of the average of the squares, which basically makes your lower ranks hurt you more than simple average.  Which is why say, Rivals can promote a player 30 spots and their composite will jump drastically if Rivals was their low score.

 

The composite class scores are from composite player rankings, not team ranking composites.

[texifornia 57027]

2 minutes ago, TommyGufano said:

Just think of it as taking the GMAT. You can score in 80th percentile in each of the math and verbal sections and overall you score in 95th percentile because the math nerds who beat your math score can't write good and the people who enjoy reading and beat your verbal score think 4+4=potato.

You take my academic journey out of your mouth

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

15 minutes ago, JBJ said:

I reverse engineered 247s personal composite score once.

It's close to this but I might misremember some of this.

They take your percentile rank from each service assuming x recruits (I believe 3,000 recruits).  So position 300=0.900

From there, the 247 rank counts double.

Then, instead of a simple average it's the root of the average of the squares, which basically makes your lower ranks hurt you more than simple average.  Which is why say, Rivals can promote a player 30 spots and their composite will jump drastically if Rivals was their low score.

 

The composite class scores are from composite player rankings, not team ranking composites.

1234 for the numbnuts in this thread.

[Hookah Horns 3083]

19 hours ago, DoneWithit said:

He’s just not good at this type of stuff

Nice dye job though. 

[RGBIII 22840]

TFB floated the name Ennis Rakestraw the corner from duncanville

Edited December 19, 2019 by RGBIII

[Foggy Notion 1202]

I saw Ennis Rakestraw shut down Rakim Jarrett when St. John’s played Duncanville. He did the same thing last week against Jaxon Smith Njigba. I've been hoping he’d get on Herman’s radar. 

 

[Hiphopopotamos 20876]

That offer list is less than inspiring - grades?  I know he wasn't 'missed' - he plays at Duncanville.

[Longhorn94 2456]

His coach used to be the corners coach at LT. He thinks the world of the kid. 

[texifornia 57027]

There's the Gibbs offer

https://247sports.com/Player/Jahmyr-Gibbs-46080991/

Edited December 19, 2019 by texifornia

[Hiphopopotamos 20876]

Looks like he has one OV left - who is the current favorite to get a visit?

[Pato del Muerto 52530]

True or false, the composite isn’t the average of the 3 rankings from the sites, but rather the average of each player ranking then applied to the 24/7 algorithm and ordered. 

[Ricky's one-hitter 9117]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

True or false, the composite isn’t the average of the 3 rankings from the sites, but rather the average of each player ranking then applied to the 24/7 algorithm and ordered. 

True

[jdhorn92 1552]

17 minutes ago, Foggy Notion said:

I saw Ennis Rakestraw shut down Rakim Jarrett when St. John’s played Duncanville. He did the same thing last week against Jaxon Smith Njigba. I've been hoping he’d get on Herman’s radar. 

 

Physically, he reminds me of Aaron Ross.  Same body type 

[texifornia 57027]

6 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Looks like he has one OV left - who is the current favorite to get a visit?

Given the recent offer, it wouldn't surprise me if we end up fighting with FSU over it

[JBJ 3657]

14 minutes ago, texifornia said:

There's the Gibbs offer

https://247sports.com/Player/Jahmyr-Gibbs-46080991/

I like this one.

[NoName 16359]

14 minutes ago, texifornia said:

There's the Gibbs offer

https://247sports.com/Player/Jahmyr-Gibbs-46080991/

side note, Tashard Choice is evidently the RB coach at GaTech and is Gibbs primary recruiter

[HtownHorn 14743]

16 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

That offer list is less than inspiring - grades?  I know he wasn't 'missed' - he plays at Duncanville.

Can't be grades, Air Force and Army have both offered.

[gmr548 16584]

That offer list is less than inspiring - grades?  I know he wasn't 'missed' - he plays at Duncanville.

247 lists West Point and AFA offers to he appears to play school.

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[Foggy Notion 1202]

11 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

That offer list is less than inspiring - grades?  I know he wasn't 'missed' - he plays at Duncanville.

Not sure if it’s grades related. I’ll try to find out. Duncanville has a few kids that played at a really high level but weren’t known names going into the season like JQJ, Chris Thompson and Savion Byrd. They have a RB named Trysten Smith and a LB/safety hybrid named Paul Pickens who are both underrated as well. I’d never heard of Rakestraw before the season but he ended up being one of my favorite guys on that defense. 

[Hiphopopotamos 20876]

1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

Can't be grades, Air Force and Army have both offered.

 

1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

247 lists West Point and AFA offers to he appears to play school.

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Nice catch.  So whats the deal?

[Sabalo 996]

He only weighs 150. I wonder how much Duncanville's overall defense contributed to him shutting down those receivers. Glad we're looking at him.

[texifornia 57027]

2 minutes ago, Sabalo said:

He only weighs 150. I wonder how much Duncanville's overall defense contributed to him shutting down those receivers. Glad we're looking at him.

Listed height/weights (for all they're worth) show him as comparable size-wise to Pouncey

https://247sports.com/Player/Ethan-Pouncey-46079307/

https://247sports.com/Player/Ennis-Rakestraw-46081865/

Edited December 19, 2019 by texifornia

[NoName 16359]

21 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

That offer list is less than inspiring - grades?  I know he wasn't 'missed' - he plays at Duncanville.

maybe it isn't a legit 6' 165# (from 247)?

his twitter says he is a 6'1", 170# now - https://twitter.com/EnnisRakestraw

his 2 most recent follows are Super K and a defensive QC at tOSU (side note, dude needs to clean up the NSFW follows he currently has lol)

rivals has a link to him talking about a recent SMU offer here: https://smu.rivals.com/news/duncanville-cb-ennis-rakestraw-talks-new-smu-offer (paywall)

[UncleBuck 6454]

33 minutes ago, texifornia said:

There's the Gibbs offer

https://247sports.com/Player/Jahmyr-Gibbs-46080991/

Any reason for confidence in this one? (honest question)

[Foosters 17858]

19 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

 

Nice catch.  So whats the deal?

Schools don't think he's talented enough to deserve a scholarship. I don't have any inside info, but that's usually why kids aren't offered scholarships.

[NoName 16359]

3 minutes ago, NoName said:

maybe it isn't a legit 6' 165# (from 247)?

his twitter says he is a 6'1", 170# now - https://twitter.com/EnnisRakestraw

his 2 most recent follows are Super K and a defensive QC at tOSU (side note, dude needs to clean up the NSFW follows he currently has lol)

rivals has a link to him talking about a recent SMU offer here: https://smu.rivals.com/news/duncanville-cb-ennis-rakestraw-talks-new-smu-offer (paywall)

he has someone tweeting @ Mike Gundy about him

hes fast evidently:

i mean, honestly the dude looks like he is 160 lb smoking wet, from his at home with Colorado State.

Spoiler

 

also there are a ton of Mizzou fans in his mentions in the last couple of weeks and change

[HtownHorn 14743]

21 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

 

Nice catch.  So whats the deal?

Could be

1) He grew in his senior year

2) He had horrible jr year tape

3) Didn't hit the camp circuit hard

4) Late bloomer

[NoName 16359]

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

Schools don't think he's talented enough to deserve a scholarship. I don't have any inside info, but that's usually why kids aren't offered scholarships.

i mean, he has legit offers...Air Force & Army + Colorado St, North Texas, SMU, Washington St, Wyoming

[texifornia 57027]

2 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Any reason for confidence in this one? (honest question)

He's clearly looking around for a big program that wants him based on all the Bama/UF/tOSU flirting, and we took an RB from a GAHSFB power a couple cycles ago. Also he tagged Kenyatta Watson's dad in his tweet.

So nothing concrete, but some decent circumstantial stuff.

Edited December 19, 2019 by texifornia

[Scholz 11944]

2 minutes ago, NoName said:

looks like he is 160 lb smoking wet...

[NoName 16359]

6 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Could be

1) He grew in his senior year

2) He had horrible jr year tape

3) Didn't hit the camp circuit hard

4) Late bloomer

addressing #1: he was 6', 157 at the Opening in March 2019, his twitter now says he is 6'1" and 170 (self reported, so take it w a grain of salt)

addressing #3: evidently he got turned away at some UA camp?

Edited December 19, 2019 by NoName

[Ricky's one-hitter 9117]

6 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Any reason for confidence in this one? (honest question)

No

[Laga4 1270]

29 minutes ago, NoName said:

maybe it isn't a legit 6' 165# (from 247)?

his twitter says he is a 6'1", 170# now - https://twitter.com/EnnisRakestraw

his 2 most recent follows are Super K and a defensive QC at tOSU (side note, dude needs to clean up the NSFW follows he currently has lol)

rivals has a link to him talking about a recent SMU offer here: https://smu.rivals.com/news/duncanville-cb-ennis-rakestraw-talks-new-smu-offer (paywall)

I saw him play against SLC and he's a good CB,  but he really doesn't look 6'1".  

[LTtxfan 49288]

41 minutes ago, NoName said:

side note, Tashard Choice is evidently the RB coach at GaTech and is Gibbs primary recruiter

 

[NoName 16359]

1 minute ago, Laga4 said:

I saw him play against SLC and he's a good CB,  but he really doesn't look 6'1".  

i mean, he is at least 6'0" per his measurement at The Opening...

[Bodacious Bevo 3586]

13 minutes ago, texifornia said:

He's clearly looking around for a big program that wants him based on all the Bama/UF/tOSU flirting, and we took an RB from a GAHSFB power a couple cycles ago. Also he tagged Kenyatta Watson's dad in his tweet.

So nothing concrete, but some decent circumstantial stuff.

I was wondering if Watson Sr. was involved in our late interest in Georgia guys (Gibbs, Battle, I think there was another CB that signed with someone else yesterday). It would make sense if the staff is looking for new targets. 

[Laga4 1270]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

i mean, he is at least 6'0" per his measurement at The Opening...

Maybe it's because everyone on D'ville is so big,   but he looked small out there. 

[texifornia 57027]

8 minutes ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

I was wondering if Watson Sr. was involved in our late interest in Georgia guys (Gibbs, Battle, I think there was another CB that signed with someone else yesterday). It would make sense if the staff is looking for new targets. 

It would. Also that's been Washington's region and for all his faults he's an energetic recruiter who's happy to dip outside his position group.

[Foggy Notion 1202]

14 minutes ago, NoName said:

i mean, he is at least 6'0" per his measurement at The Opening...

Maybe he’s 6’1” with the hair. 

[Spawn of Cthulhu 2241]

1 hour ago, Longhorn94 said:

His coach used to be the corners coach at LT. He thinks the world of the kid. 

If the kid comes here, he can spend the next 3-4 years covering Card in practice.

[MoJames 8244]

57 minutes ago, NoName said:

160 lb smoking wet

[TexEx15 17545]

11 minutes ago, MoJames said:

Fluid hip movement.  Important for a DB...

[JBJ 3657]

He listed 5'9 135lb going into his junior year according to a source.  You aren't going to get many looks like that.

$995

[Burntcowboy 1845]

4 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

We also have Sweat and Carson that will play inside.

This team has plenty of depth at DL.

Inside guys - Graham, Coburn, Ojomo, Carson, Sweat, Broughton, and Goram-Welch

Outside guys - Bimage, Jones, Warren, Mpagi, Ossai, Hobbs, and Dorbah

Isn’t Mpagi battling some type of heart issue. Not sure he’s gonna be a factor. Still plenty of bodies though 

[realgreggym 835]

13 minutes ago, JBJ said:

He listed 5'9 135lb going into his junior year according to a source.  You aren't going to get many looks like that.

$995

With his speed and I am sure that he is probably a bit bigger now, put the ball in his hands and see what he can do.

[Atticus 3977]

He looks 6’1 with his hair next to JQJ, but his arms are long. Maybe a bad angle, but hard to even see 6’ there. He also needs to add significant weight.

Solid film though